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Pretty sure Arceus has not made a single canonically appearance in any game 'sides it being mentioned or referred by other characters.Purmeenant said:
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How is Arceus Multiversal if there are multiple versions of it.
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The assertion that there is one Arceus per game is really questionable, bearing in mind that time and space emerged from the original spirit and are part of its very presence, and in this generation space encompasses parallel dimensions.
"The way I see it, our world began when the spirit within people was born.
When that spirit came to be, there followed awareness about the world.
Within the newborn spirit, time and space were intertwined as one.
People and Pokémon, too, were but the same presence.
As I understand it, people and Pokémon shared the spirit and awareness.
They should have understood and accepted each other then.
Because they shared the same spirit, people and Pokémon intermingled.
People took the place of Pokémon, and the opposite also held true.
That interpretation could give us an idea about how our world came to be.
A Pokémon is said to have shaped this world.
Could that Pokémon be the physical form of the original spirit?
Hmm... The spirit came to be, and from it, time and space were born...
That seems to point to Legendary Dialga, the Pokémon of time, and Palkia, the Pokémon of space...
And they lead back to Arceus, the Pokémon that made them arise.
Oh, there were also Plates, weren't there?
One Plate read "Three beings were born to bind time and space."
Those three beings I read to mean the three Pokémon of the lakes. It's about Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf.
The myth describes how they gave spirit to the world, shaping it.
But it all starts with Arceus, the first. It is known as the Original One."
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths#Arceus.27s_Myth
"The way I see it, our world began when the spirit within people was born.
When that spirit came to be, there followed awareness about the world.
Within the newborn spirit, time and space were intertwined as one.
People and Pokémon, too, were but the same presence.
As I understand it, people and Pokémon shared the spirit and awareness.
They should have understood and accepted each other then.
Because they shared the same spirit, people and Pokémon intermingled.
People took the place of Pokémon, and the opposite also held true.
That interpretation could give us an idea about how our world came to be.
A Pokémon is said to have shaped this world.
Could that Pokémon be the physical form of the original spirit?
Hmm... The spirit came to be, and from it, time and space were born...
That seems to point to Legendary Dialga, the Pokémon of time, and Palkia, the Pokémon of space...
And they lead back to Arceus, the Pokémon that made them arise.
Oh, there were also Plates, weren't there?
One Plate read "Three beings were born to bind time and space."
Those three beings I read to mean the three Pokémon of the lakes. It's about Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf.
The myth describes how they gave spirit to the world, shaping it.
But it all starts with Arceus, the first. It is known as the Original One."
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths#Arceus.27s_Myth
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It really isnt questionable. As Cal already pointed out (and a blog thats been on this site since the stone age), Arceus explicity breathed alone before the Multiverse was created.
Saying theres multiple Arceus for every universe in the Multiverse implies theres multiple original ones, which is complete and utter headcanon. They're just Avatars, not actual seperate beings.
Saying theres multiple Arceus for every universe in the Multiverse implies theres multiple original ones, which is complete and utter headcanon. They're just Avatars, not actual seperate beings.
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What I mean is that the theory about Arceus being limited to a single universe is like... absurd.
That theory is contradicted in all media
That theory is contradicted in all media
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Oh lol, nevermind then. Im stupid.
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Hakai
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Actually, dont close it just yet.
Is my suggestion to make a note on Arceus's page to not ask about this still up? Because we've had mutliple threads in the past where this exact thing was asked and it ended the same every time. So now its getting kind of repetitive.
Is my suggestion to make a note on Arceus's page to not ask about this still up? Because we've had mutliple threads in the past where this exact thing was asked and it ended the same every time. So now its getting kind of repetitive.
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Um okay so most of my questions have been answered. But I think a scan for Avatar Creation could help with questioning.
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"A Pokémon is said to have shaped this world.
Could that Pokémon be the physical form of the original spirit?"
Could that Pokémon be the physical form of the original spirit?"
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Having a heart thats across all time and space? Very much so means all of that.
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ProfessorKukui4Life said:
- Not beyond that universe, going by that statement.
- Just having a "heart" that is poetically time and space doesn't mean you yourself exist beyond those concepts. Across something=/=Beyond it.
- Anti-matter is not even mentioned there.
- Time and space being aspects of Arceus is a headcanon, the statement can very well refer to how he made them, his influence over them or how he exists in them.
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Then that means the quote isnt the only thing that supports those things. The quote is mainly for justifying Arceus's omnipresence.
>Time and space being aspects of Arceus is a headcano
The Creation Trio are confirmed to only be parts of Arceus. 2 of which, Dialga and Palkia, are time and space. So no, its not a headcanon.
>Time and space being aspects of Arceus is a headcano
The Creation Trio are confirmed to only be parts of Arceus. 2 of which, Dialga and Palkia, are time and space. So no, its not a headcanon.
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A question is the conclusion that time and space being aspects of Arceus based on the myth below or they extra more concrete scans, text, and evidence?ProfessorKukui4Life said:
"When that spirit came to be, there followed awareness about the world.
Within the newborn spirit, time and space were intertwined as one.
People and Pokémon, too, were but the same presence. As I understand it, people and Pokémon shared the spirit and awareness.
They should have understood and accepted each other then.
Because they shared the same spirit, people and Pokémon intermingled.
People took the place of Pokémon, and the opposite also held true.
That interpretation could give us an idea about how our world came to be. A Pokémon is said to have shaped this world.
Could that Pokémon be the physical form of the original spirit?
Hmm... The spirit came to be, and from it, time and space were born...
That seems to point to Legendary Dialga, the Pokémon of time, and Palkia, the Pokémon of space... And they lead back to Arceus, the Pokémon that made them arise. Oh, there were also Plates, weren't there?
One Plate read "Three beings were born to bind time and space."
Those three beings I read to mean the three Pokémon of the lakes. It's about Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf.
The myth describes how they gave spirit to the world, shaping it.
But it all starts with Arceus, the first. It is known as the Original One."
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinnoh_myths#Arceus.27s_Myth
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Not what you said before, nor something that can be considered correct, when is someone going to fix the profile?ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Why would this mean that they are their aspects and not just that they were created by him?Elizhaa said:
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what's the argument and stuff here
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@Eficiente, this reason is why I asked the question. I did many hour of researchs and this text is the closest where one can make the conclusion that time and space being aspects of Arceus which I disagree because the text could easily be a creation feats, by Occam's Razor.
If there are better evidences, then I am willing to change my mind on the topic.
If there are better evidences, then I am willing to change my mind on the topic.
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"Within the newborn spirit, time and space were intertwined as one."
Isn't this basically already saying time and space are inside of Arceus (the Original Spirit is Arceus)?
Quite sure the statement was in the manga either way, but still.
Isn't this basically already saying time and space are inside of Arceus (the Original Spirit is Arceus)?
Quite sure the statement was in the manga either way, but still.
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Is this debate still going on?
Look, something can be multiversal level and still have multiple copies exist throughout said multiverse. In this instance, Arceus has Avatar Creation and Omnipresence listed on his profile.
Now, the Avatar Creation alone could explain how there are multiple "Arceuses" (ie. There's a "true" Arceus god knows where, and he merely creates Avatar's of which he channels his power into).
Omnipresence... Thats the shit that nails this square in the ******* dirt. As we know, Pokemon is a MULTIVERSE, as in, there are multiple universes that abide by the greater concept of "Pokemon". Omni (meaning "everything, all" and "unlimited") and Presence ("to occupy a particular space"). Omnipresence means that Arceus exists in all spaces within the Pokemon Multiverse, and merely exhibits his "true presence" in the form of an Arceus to occupy that particular universe.
So uh... Y E A H
Look, something can be multiversal level and still have multiple copies exist throughout said multiverse. In this instance, Arceus has Avatar Creation and Omnipresence listed on his profile.
Now, the Avatar Creation alone could explain how there are multiple "Arceuses" (ie. There's a "true" Arceus god knows where, and he merely creates Avatar's of which he channels his power into).
Omnipresence... Thats the shit that nails this square in the ******* dirt. As we know, Pokemon is a MULTIVERSE, as in, there are multiple universes that abide by the greater concept of "Pokemon". Omni (meaning "everything, all" and "unlimited") and Presence ("to occupy a particular space"). Omnipresence means that Arceus exists in all spaces within the Pokemon Multiverse, and merely exhibits his "true presence" in the form of an Arceus to occupy that particular universe.
So uh... Y E A H
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This is stupid. The OP was answered and satisfied. Closing this.
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