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How does hax work in Dragon Ball?
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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That shows that resisting Hit's abilities is due to a weakness of the hax rather than due to a resistance since you only need to be stronger than Hit to break his haxes
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How that he can resist said abilitie because of power , or you can also say that since there other characters in fiction that have resisted has , than it's because it,s the weakness of the hax as well.
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Hit's time skip can be resisted by strength, and so is hakai (hakai destroy ki attacks, as shown with GoD Toppo, but strong enough ki attacks aren't destroyed by the hakai)
It's not a general rule, but at least for Hakai and Hit's Time skip, AP > hax does apply
It's not a general rule, but at least for Hakai and Hit's Time skip, AP > hax does apply
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Yes it is , ap>hax.
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This was only really mentioned in the manga
Gilad_Hyperstar
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The anime clearly showed Goku breaking Hit's time skip with his power alone, and Jiren also broke Hit's Time Cage with just his power alone, so the anime has evidence for that too
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I was referring to the manga explanation that the effectiveness of Hit's Time Skip is dependent on his opponent's power level, and if it is significantly higher than his own, Time Skip is useless
The anime provided no explanation for why Goku broke Hit's Time Skip by powering up because he just did
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Then explain how frog ginyu replaced bodies with Tagoma, who is more than a trillion trillion times stronger than the frog
Also explain Baby in GT posessing stronger characters then itself
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That's why I specifically mentioned just the hakai and Hit's time skip
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Wait didn't Vegeta said he need to damage the enemy first to use the forced spirit fission?
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It could be simply him getting cut of course and that doesn't change anything
That would be a feat for baby nor a counter feat for the others.
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Why wouldn't that meam , that those atks , potency surpasses that of the character, because you realize, if it can work on this stronger being, that means that the potency of the atk surpassed that of the character.
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Can someone list the "hax" in DB?
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A 10-C frog surpassing a 4-B? Come on.
Also Merus was much stronger than Moro, and Moro still stole his powers
Also Merus was much stronger than Moro, and Moro still stole his powers
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Frog or not, it's still the same atk . Also who said that togoma is 4-B , or that he wasn't surprised or something? Because of course if they are of guard they would be affected by those atks or hax.
For the merus example I will ask to post-scan for that , because it could be him being of guard, and can you prove he was stronger, even saying that all it shows is that some of their potency and rival that of characters who might have surpassed their physical stats. All it means, it that they resist hax , that don't surpass or rival their ap.
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Buu absorbed Gotenks who was stronger than him.
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Said this in another thread, but Hit was capable of utilizing Time Skip on Jiren initially. Jiren wasn't resisting it, but predicting his movements like Goku also did, but unlike Goku was still casually stomping him.
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Jiren wasn't really affected by the time stop. He definitely moved when Hit tried to attack him, and only struggled to free himself from the time cage
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Jiren could still move , if he can move it's because he was resisting it, it's such an irrelevant example.
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AFAIK Vegeta just needs to land hits
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No he wasn't. He was literally just predicting where he'd be before Hit used Cage of Time. He wasn't moving in Time Skip at all.
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Referred to what I said above.
He's never moved in time skip and it's even explained when they're face to face he starts using Tides of Time instead, which is him hiding in his stored time and leaving an afterimage.
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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In the video you showed, there were also a few instances where Jiren moved in Hit's Time skip, such as in 1:25, and several times between 2:04 and 2:20
Of course there are many times Jiren just predicted Hit's movements, but there are also these scenes where Jiren still moves even when Hit stops time
Of course there are many times Jiren just predicted Hit's movements, but there are also these scenes where Jiren still moves even when Hit stops time
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All of those were tides of time. Whis literally explains what happened the very 1st time it occurs at 1:33. Jiren ignored the afterimage and attacked hit while in his pocket dimenson, not basic Time Skip. Tides of time in-verse isn't considered separate from it hence why they only say Time Skip.
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Time skip before the cage didn't work , and you realise this is from hit's pespective , if he couldn't move he wouldn't be able to atk. Irrelevant pointless argument.
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Just because he could sense hit doesn't mean he can't move. That is also debunked if he couldn't move he wouldn't be able to slap hit that many times. Also just because you see him not moving from hit's perspective doesn't mean he can't move , that's from hit's perspective, that doesn't mean anything, such a worthless. argument. And I'm pretty sure you got the name tides of time from the db wiki and there it also says he stops times with that technique, and jiren could still move (were he shattered hit's dimension).
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"He's completely adapted to my Time Skip." - Hit (2:19)
"Jiren sees through his movements." - Vados (2:46)
As HST said, it was explained why Jiren managed to strike him while he used the Tides of Time (the name Hit gave it in the anime, by the way). Hit creates a separate space (Space[-Time???] Manipulation) and hides in it, leaving behind an afterimage in the real world. Jiren simply ignored the afterimage, predicted where Hit was going to strike, and countered it before Hit could land his attack. It's either that or Jiren has Space Manipulation/Dimensional Travel, too.
We only ever see Jiren striking Hit after he exits the Time Skip, with some examples being (1:53) in which Jiren only punches Hit after narrowly dodging the latter's strike during the Time Skip, (2:05-2:10) where Jiren only gets his licks in after Hit exits the Time Skip, (2:14) where Jiren literally sat there when Hit used Time Skip and only turned around and punched him after he finished skipping, and (2:22-2:30) in which Hit was actually able to disappear from frame, indicating that he became unperceivable to Jiren as well, and was only met with blows after he emerged from Time Skip, with Jiren predicting his moves and attacking accordingly.
At (3:03), we quite literally see Jiren just dicking around, predicting Hit's movements, and countering his strikes without even needing to turn or look at him, further proof that he was not brute-forcing his way through the Time Skip, he was outsmarting and outmaneuvering the Time Skip.
Also, at (0:13-0:23) and (3:11), we see Hit's Time Skip allowing him to avoid Jiren's strikes, which wouldn't be possible if Jiren could move about and interact with Hit during the Time Skip; Hit would be tagged if that were the case.
"Jiren sees through his movements." - Vados (2:46)
As HST said, it was explained why Jiren managed to strike him while he used the Tides of Time (the name Hit gave it in the anime, by the way). Hit creates a separate space (Space[-Time???] Manipulation) and hides in it, leaving behind an afterimage in the real world. Jiren simply ignored the afterimage, predicted where Hit was going to strike, and countered it before Hit could land his attack. It's either that or Jiren has Space Manipulation/Dimensional Travel, too.
We only ever see Jiren striking Hit after he exits the Time Skip, with some examples being (1:53) in which Jiren only punches Hit after narrowly dodging the latter's strike during the Time Skip, (2:05-2:10) where Jiren only gets his licks in after Hit exits the Time Skip, (2:14) where Jiren literally sat there when Hit used Time Skip and only turned around and punched him after he finished skipping, and (2:22-2:30) in which Hit was actually able to disappear from frame, indicating that he became unperceivable to Jiren as well, and was only met with blows after he emerged from Time Skip, with Jiren predicting his moves and attacking accordingly.
At (3:03), we quite literally see Jiren just dicking around, predicting Hit's movements, and countering his strikes without even needing to turn or look at him, further proof that he was not brute-forcing his way through the Time Skip, he was outsmarting and outmaneuvering the Time Skip.
Also, at (0:13-0:23) and (3:11), we see Hit's Time Skip allowing him to avoid Jiren's strikes, which wouldn't be possible if Jiren could move about and interact with Hit during the Time Skip; Hit would be tagged if that were the case.
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Fair enough, but the arguments of time skip being able to be broken by sheer strength (as Goku's kamehameha did in the second fight with Hit) still stands
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The name tides of time is from fighterZ and the anime dude. I already mentioned in verse they don't make the distinction between tides of time and time skip aside from like the 1st appearance.
And what? Time Skip is him stopping time and moving into place to attack again, saying "well it's from Hits perspective, that's why he can't move" is headcanon. Also Tides of Time doesn't stop time. Hit hides in pocket dimension made from the time he's stored up via Time Skip, leaving an afterimage at his previous location.
That was Tides of Time as well. 1st time he even used it on screen in fact. Hell even their 1st fight where Hit was able to repeatedly stop Goku via simply improving his Time-Skip's Duration and eventually getting full out Time Stop in the middle of Kaioken Blue's Assault debunks the idea that Anime Hit's Time Skip has a power weakness as from the 1st time Goku resisted it he was > Hit in strength.
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If anything, what you said just means that the resistance is inconsistent. You can't both having Goku resisting his time stop and somehow also getting time stop by him at the same time
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Gilad, people can power up.
Also, energy attacks raises people's Ki level when they do it.
Also, energy attacks raises people's Ki level when they do it.
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So his hax became stronger when he got stronger? If so that just means the potency of his hax is reliant of his AP
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Yes.
That's why Hit's Time Skip got longer.
That's why Hit's Time Skip got longer.
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I know it's from that game, it's just I'm thinking you also got it from db wiki if not it's fine.
It isn't headcanon, because vados once stated that he jumps in time and we also know that he can stop time. That's is why said it's from is perspective, since it was stated by vados that he does jump in time , but that only for the technique where he's intangible.
And yes tides of time stops time. The one that he used against jiren stops time (he can also stop time , he did this against that alien boss).
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When did Tides of Time stop time? When did Time Skip stop time too?
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