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It's been a long ass two weeks, but I will get back to this whenever I can. Tho at a glance, my stance on it hasn't changed much. But will give a more detailed response when I can.
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She's been known to be willing to kill people en masse for the benefit of the Lunar Capital before, including Kaguya. During the events of LoLK, she planned to "purify" the earth, effectively killing everything on it in the process. This would include Kaguya since she was exiled to earth centuries ago.I don't like the context of assuming one particular character had a hand in the execution of another just because the Lunar Capital would use "everything they have". Do we have any reason to assume Sagume would have a hand in the execution herself?
It didn’t mention her though. It mention the sages who did planned it though as in more than one people are involved in this plan.She's been known to be willing to kill people en masse for the benefit of the Lunar Capital before, including Kaguya. During the events of LoLK, she planned to "purify" the earth, effectively killing everything on it in the process. This would include Kaguya since she was exiled to earth centuries ago.
She was. I'm pretty sure that Sagume was the one who caused the Urban Legend incident in Touhou 14.5 in order to further her plans in regards to the Lunar Capital getting forced to flee from Junko.It didn’t mention her though. It mention the sages who did planned it though as in more than one people are involved in this plan.
The scan mention she had some relations to the Urban Legend though. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900627448192958495/965658567694766110/unknown.pngShe was. I'm pretty sure that Sagume was the one who caused the Urban Legend incident in Touhou 14.5 in order to further her plans in regards to the Lunar Capital losing to Junko.
“She wasn’t totally serious about it though” plus the scan you show mentions the plan was no more than insurance....Sagume literally is a Lunar Sage though. Furthermore, that text is literally from her profile. Also, the following segment in her profile uses singular "she", showing that it was just Sagume in this case.
I... yes, that's the point. Her using urban legends would've destroyed Gensokyo and purified it of all life if successful. This literally just proves my point?The scan mention she had some relations to the Urban Legend though. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/900627448192958495/965658567694766110/unknown.png
That was shown to me directly
Please for the love of god acknowledge the context. The reason she wasn't serious about it was because nobody in the Lunar Capital wanted to relocate; This is directly stated: "and none of the Moon's people wanted to move the capital to begin with. Returning to the moon would be ideal". So yes she was 100% willing to kill if necessary, which is my point, but she also would've preferred to not move; Not because she's against killing, but because her allegiances lie with the Lunar Capital and they probably would've bitched about it if they had to move to earth.“She wasn’t totally serious about it though” plus the scan you show mentions the plan was no more than insurance.
It was an insurance plan—particularly on Sagume and the sages end—in the case the lunarians would not be able to repel Junko before their minds erode inside the Dream World. On top of that, even with such a detail, Sagume was definitely investing in her plan to commit omnicide as she did cause the Urban Legend incident as a means for the relocation. Also, the lunarians despised the Earth and its life since they viewed it all as impure in comparison to themselves, they did not like relocating to a place like that.“She wasn’t totally serious about it though” plus the scan you show mentions the plan was no more than insurance.
I already acknowledged the context as it was shown to me by you, the OP.Please for the love of god acknowledge the context. The reason she wasn't serious about it was because nobody in the Lunar Capital wanted to relocate; This is directly stated: "and none of the Moon's people wanted to move the capital to begin with. Returning to the moon would be ideal". So yes she was 100% willing to kill if necessary, which is my point, but she also would've preferred to not move; Not because she's against killing, but because her allegiances lie with the Lunar Capital and they probably would've bitched about it if they had to move to earth.
Hmmm, while this is understandable, I also not getting that impression of them use everything in their arsenal to lifewipe ppl from the surface of Earth as there are different ways to life wipe as well.It was an insurance plan—particularly on Sagume and the sages end—in the case the lunarians would not be able to repel Junko before their minds erode inside the Dream World. Also, the lunarians despised the Earth and its life since they viewed it all as impure in comparison to themselves, they did not like relocating to a place like that.
No, you aren't. You're deliberately ignoring a line that COMPLETELY changes the meaning of that passage. Disagree all you like but I won't tolerate bullshit like this.I already acknowledged the context as it was shown to me by you, the OP.
I just disagreeing with you on the specifics of what this means given the circumstances behind this is tied to interpretation of the evidence being used as well as other things.
The method doesn't matter. Sagume was willing to kill everyone on the planet regardless. It could've been one by one or with a giant explosion, but the point is that she is willing to kill for the sake of the Lunar Capital, which proves she'd be willing to kill Kaguya. This is purely semanticsHmmm, while this is understandable, I also not getting that impression of them use everything in their arsenal to lifewipe ppl from the surface of Earth as there are different ways to life wipe as well.
We not given that much in depth outside of killing the beings on the surface of Earth and stuff.
I do not appreciate the fact you say I trying to nitpick the context/evidence when I was trying to read the context in full.No, you aren't. You're deliberately ignoring a line that COMPLETELY changes the meaning of that passage. Disagree all you like but I won't tolerate bullshit like this.
I'd also like to point out that the discussion of whether or not Sagume was willing to go through with the plan is irrelevant because the opening of LoLK shows that one method of purifying the earth (a giant robot) is already happening, which is why the protagonists take part in the story anyways; We can't say Sagume would've hesitated in killing everything on the planet when she was literally already in the process of doing that.
The method doesn't matter. Sagume was willing to kill everyone on the planet regardless. It could've been one by one or with a giant explosion, but the point is that she is willing to kill for the sake of the Lunar Capital, which proves she'd be willing to kill Kaguya. This is purely semantics
I did not imply this at all as I say this.Do you not realize that taking something out of context and by extension changing its meaning is gonna garner a negative response regardless of who you do it to? You're trying to present this as "she wasn't serious about it because she doesn't want to kill anyone", when the full line is more accurately "she wasn't serious about it because her society would've preferred to go back to the moon". This is disingenuous and gives a false impression of the feat's context to anyone reading your posts, which again, I don't particularly like since upgrades like this are enough of an uphill battle as it is. Don't make my hobby more difficult than it needs to be.
I was literally quoting from the text you show me.“She wasn’t totally serious about it though” plus the scan you show mentions the plan was no more than insurance.
Yes. You are quoting the text. In a very selective way that implies a conclusion that is not in the full text. That is the very definition of taking something out of context.I did not imply this at all as I say this.
I was literally quoting from the text you show me.
You are misunderstanding me and for once, you did jump on that conclusion.
It is more like me nitpicking the text in question in order to understand the text and here is her own plan.Yes. You are quoting the text. In a very selective way that implies a conclusion that is not in the full text. That is the very definition of taking something out of context.
Also I didn’t even mention my conclusion since I am making my own thoughts regarding the evidence you shown to me and in order to fully understand what is going on exactly.Yes. You are quoting the text. In a very selective way that implies a conclusion that is not in the full text. That is the very definition of taking something out of context.
Yeah, as that was the compromise to begin with.Reading over all this I think a Possibly works
It is more like me nitpicking the text in question in order to understand the text and here is her own plan.
I have to say this, the plan of this Sagume make things interesting.
Also, further more, I have to uploaded the scans on Imgur to see if I can understand this correctly.
I mean you could've read like 2 lines further than you did and seen the full context. It's not like it's hiding or is in another passage or whatever. This isn't a hobby where you can take a single sentence in isolation and build your thoughts about a verse around that, context is always important.Also I didn’t even mention my conclusion since I am making my own thoughts regarding the evidence you shown to me and in order to fully understand what is going on exactly.
I am aware of context being always important.I mean you could've read like 2 lines further than you did and seen the full context. It's not like it's hiding or is in another passage or whatever. This isn't a hobby where you can take a single sentence in isolation and build your thoughts about a verse around that, context is always important.
"In an old thread a made we conclude that feats of taking any amount of damge and then lossing that damage off-screen should only be taken as a Regenerationn feat if the characters in question have already shown or later show regenerative capabilities."However, we don’t have any context that is what did happened off screen if at all.
Reminder as so far, that isn’t the case as the evidence doesn’t give off that context of them actually doing it off screen.
You still need proof regardless.
Edit: https://vsbattles.com/threads/lets-please-talk-about-regenerating-off-screen-again.46194/
We could do that, but we'd also be discourteous to Confluctor who has yet to make a response to the new evidence. We should just wait for them to speak. Also GN.Anyway, if everyone agrees with possibly we should just go with that already and close this.
I didn’t miss this part at all. I am aware of that part being added.Did you miss this part? We are talking about characters with already accepted Mid Godly feats being upgraded to high godly here.
In full context, we never show them taking damage from information manipulation and it was erasing them to say the least. There is still the burden of proof requirement. Please do not overlook that statement as well"In an old thread a made we conclude that feats of taking any amount of damge and then lossing that damage off-screen
Agreed. Bit of a dick move to not let Confluctor comment in spite of the general consensus.We could do that, but we'd also be discourteous to Confluctor who has yet to make a response to the new evidence. We should just wait for them to speak. Also GN.
@ConfluctorIf I don't comment by Saturday, just go with what other staff have accepted.