Honkai Impact 3rd

[Jackof_noTrades068]

The sphere was disintegrating everything it touched, plus it'd be possible to actually fight within one given that they're herrschers and can survive literally having half their bodies within black holes so no surprise there. Although yeah I'm uncertain about what it was at coral anyway.

As for the welt stuff i looked back on the chapter and when the black hole was summoned Sirins leg was already being sucked in but she managed to somehow move back slightly. And it's not like it's the first time Kekhoyo retconned stuff so i wouldn't be surprised

Coral is just weird after saying things disintegrated we had narration that coral island was left as ruins
Which was likely the gravity sphere tbat caused it
But if it was a black hole the whole island it would’ve been absorbed or turned to plasma while circling the Black hole at relativistic speeds
And while they are herrschers due to their ability to bend the laws of physics and ignore them at points that makes the gravity sphere even harder to evaluate, so I agree that it’s just super uncertain

As for sirin being able to somewhat resist
It might an indicator that she’s probably nearing or above singular percentages of the speed of light which she already is via calcs

As she still didn’t move much if at all likely what was happening is her attempt to resist being sucked in was pulling her in more since Irl black holes do that if you try resisting or going back without being Ftl
Mihoyo does retcon but things should be viewed as case by case ofc

 

[Avengershows]

Coral is just weird after saying things disintegrated we had narration that coral island was left as ruins
Which was likely the gravity sphere tbat caused it
But if it was a black hole the whole island it would’ve been absorbed or turned to plasma while circling the Black hole at relativistic speeds
And while they are herrschers due to their ability to bend the laws of physics and ignore them at points that makes the gravity sphere even harder to evaluate, so I agree that it’s just super uncertain

As for sirin being able to somewhat resist
It might an indicator that she’s probably nearing or above singular percentages of the speed of light which she already is via calcs

As she still didn’t move much if at all likely what was happening is her attempt to resist being sucked in was pulling her in more since Irl black holes do that if you try resisting or going back without being Ftl
Mihoyo does retcon but things should be viewed as case by case ofc

Oh yeah she most likely could've escaped, she just wanted to crush the key. Like mid crushing she turns around casually and looks at Siegfried leaving and is like "Hollup" and insta crushes the black hole which means that she was likely just toying around

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Oh that guy, yeah he's not super impressive so Welt was most likely just talking to him. Plus I do believe that that manga is early Honkai material which was heavily trashed (i.e. in the same manga they call yae sakura a herrscher).

I mean sure that welt clone is fodder but he still seemingly barely evaded Kiana’s Gungnir which actually did burn and didn’t explode while Kiana’s knight moonbeam was amped
Then had Joachim being like
“Hah, you ain’t Ftl sucks to be you I guess”
To him

 

[Avengershows]

I mean sure that welt clone is fodder but he still seemingly barely evaded Kiana’s Gungnir which actually did burn and didn’t explode while Kiana’s knight moonbeam was amped
Then had Joachim being like
“Hah, you ain’t Ftl sucks to be you I guess”
To him

This is why I don't really like the early Honkai stuff, it changes the scaling far too fast. The levels fluctuate too much and conflict too much. But then again the dude was hella hurt and was basically passing out since, y'know, bloodloss from loosing an entire arm is a serious thing

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Oh yeah she most likely could've escaped, she just wanted to crush the key. Like mid crushing she turns around casually and looks at Siegfried leaving and is like "Hollup" and insta crushes the black hole which means that she was likely just toying around

I do think she could’ve escaped with her portals or something
Since welt didn’t say anything along the lines of expecting her to slip into his event horizon just keeping her as close as possible to the event horizon so she wouldn’t just leave it

Plus we don’t really have strong indication she could’ve just physically flown away if she got trapped in the event horizon outside of Sirin messing around with Welt

 

[Avengershows]

I do think she could’ve escaped with her portals or something
Since welt didn’t say anything along the lines of expecting her to slip into his event horizon just keeping her as close as possible to the event horizon so she wouldn’t just leave it

Plus we don’t really have strong indication she could’ve just physically flown away if she got trapped in the event horizon outside of Sirin messing around with Welt

Yep, Honaki Impact is very very vauge about speed in general.
One of the funnier feats is Otto getting trapped in the event horizon and going "Not even light speed can escape a black hole, doesn't mean you can't escape tho" and fires a fake shamash beam out of the black hole go break the god key because his sollium body was being crushed

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

This is why I don't really like the early Honkai stuff, it changes the scaling far too fast. The levels fluctuate too much and conflict too much. But then again the dude was hella hurt and was basically passing out since, y'know, bloodloss from loosing an entire arm is a serious thing

Yeah I know it’s clearly pretty serious and he was weakened
But then welt probably would’ve said something more along the lines of that he can’t escape it in that state of his
Plus his legs were still functioning even if the pain from his arm would be a distraction

But to put it simply light could be legit but early Honkai and other minor things/inconsistencies make it very odd
With Black holes in the verse making things weirder
Damnit Mihoyo just make a character fly out of a normal black hole in space and make our lives easier

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Yep, Honaki Impact is very very vauge about speed in general.
One of the funnier feats is Otto getting trapped in the event horizon and going "Not even light speed can escape a black hole, doesn't mean you can't escape tho" and fires a fake shamash beam out of the black hole go break the god key because his sollium body was being crushed

Ftl Shamash shots?
Actually come to think of it does anybody legit dodge shots from Shamash
Because I can’t think of anyone

Since I wanna know if it would be limited to attack speeds and reactions or not

 

[Avengershows]

Ftl Shamash shots?
Actually come to think of it does anybody legit dodge shots from Shamash
Because I can’t think of anyone

Since I wanna know if it would be limited to attack speeds and reactions or not

Kiana dodged shamash shots and so did Sieg.

Yeah I know it’s clearly pretty serious and he was weakened
But then welt probably would’ve said something more along the lines of that he can’t escape it in that state of his
Plus his legs were still functioning even if the pain from his arm would be a distraction

But to put it simply light could be legit but early Honkai and other minor things/inconsistencies make it very odd
With Black holes in the verse making things weirder
Damnit Mihoyo just make a character fly out of a normal black hole in space and make our lives easier

To be fair, given how weak the clone is in general (literally shitstomped by incomplete HoT Mei) and the fact that Kianas battlesuit was one of her weakest (if not the weakest) and even then low on battery. I doubt Welts statement carries much weight, given how riddiculously retconned powerscaling statements are
(i.e. north america leveling with whatever the number of reactors is vs like 1.5x more reactors being able to cleave a planet in half.)

 

[Neutralino]

Kianas battlesuit was one of her weakest

If you mean KMB, it's one of her strongest suits, just below Void Drifter.

north america leveling with whatever the number of reactors is vs like 1.5x more reactors being able to cleave a planet in half

Interesting, what does this mean? When did anyone demonstrate planet bisecting power?

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Kiana dodged shamash shots and so did Sieg.

To be fair, given how weak the clone is in general (literally shitstomped by incomplete HoT Mei) and the fact that Kianas battlesuit was one of her weakest (if not the weakest) and even then low on battery. I doubt Welts statement carries much weight, given how riddiculously retconned powerscaling statements are
(i.e. north america leveling with whatever the number of reactors is vs like 1.5x more reactors being able to cleave a planet in half.)

With dodging Shamash shots I’m gonna need scans
Light speed attack dodging can even be as slow as Massively Hypersonic+ Or even Massively Hypersonic Depending on how much someone moves relative to the projectile
Although it’s a good thing shamash is Ftl via a simple feat with no Calc or scaling otherwise calculating people dodging it would be viewed as Calc stacking

Kiana’s White comet wasn’t actually that low on battery likely using a full power gungnir is what drained her suit so fast
Plus again in that same scene the Welt clone hyped up how light is at the whims of gravity as if it’s impressive
Again he’s not some sort of top tier and he’s cocky but if Knight Moonbeam beams light then it’s kinda common in the verse and makes this hyping up light wack
Plus we still have more going against than in favor of the beams being legit

Ftl Shamash bullets completely seems legit tho

 

[Avengershows]

If you mean KMB, it's one of her strongest suits, just below Void Drifter.

Interesting, what does this mean? When did anyone demonstrate planet bisecting power?

I don't mean KMB, I mean her White Comet battlesuit which was the one that actually fought the clone, meanwhile the KMB battlesuit basically one shotted the guy.

As for the other thing, when a portal gun with 10? Reactors? (I think the NA ship had 8) was stated to be able to cleave the world in half

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

If you mean KMB, it's one of her strongest suits, just below Void Drifter.

Interesting, what does this mean? When did anyone demonstrate planet bisecting power?

I think he was talking about White Comet since she dodged the Welt clones attacks for a bit

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

With dodging Shamash shots I’m gonna need scans
Light speed attack dodging can even be as slow as Massively Hypersonic+ Or even Massively Hypersonic Depending on how much someone moves relative to the projectile
Although it’s a good thing shamash is Ftl via a simple feat with no Calc or scaling otherwise calculating people dodging it would be viewed as Calc stacking

Kiana’s White comet wasn’t actually that low on battery likely using a full power gungnir is what drained her suit so fast
Plus again in that same scene the Welt clone hyped up how light is at the whims of gravity as if it’s impressive
Again he’s not some sort of top tier and he’s cocky but if Knight Moonbeam beams light then it’s kinda common in the verse and makes this hyping up light wack
Plus we still have more going against than in favor of the beams being legit

Ftl Shamash bullets completely seems legit tho

Although then I need to say if Knight moonbeam still has a case
Does Incomplete Herrscher Mei scale to Knight moon beam since she literally powered her up from 0% to 100% and gave her an amped Gungnir on top of that with more to spare
If so then that might make the speed calcs relating to her lightning or Benares in the verse invalid
Because then she’d have Ftl lightning via scaling and using that for calcs is Calc stacking
Either that or in worse case scenario lightning would be an anti feat since it’s proven real lightning via its various similar traits and applications like EM fields

 

[Avengershows]

With dodging Shamash shots I’m gonna need scans
Light speed attack dodging can even be as slow as Massively Hypersonic+ Or even Massively Hypersonic Depending on how much someone moves relative to the projectile
Although it’s a good thing shamash is Ftl via a simple feat with no Calc or scaling otherwise calculating people dodging it would be viewed as Calc stacking

Kiana’s White comet wasn’t actually that low on battery likely using a full power gungnir is what drained her suit so fast
Plus again in that same scene the Welt clone hyped up how light is at the whims of gravity as if it’s impressive
Again he’s not some sort of top tier and he’s cocky but if Knight Moonbeam beams light then it’s kinda common in the verse and makes this hyping up light wack
Plus we still have more going against than in favor of the beams being legit

Ftl Shamash bullets completely seems legit tho

Yeah Kiana's dodge even if you can call it that isn't that impressive, she just moved slightly to or left.

As for Welt hype text, the same manga hyped up the full power might of an utu being able to destroy a town like its something special, do we take that as an anti feat too?

Also, Hua being LS is consistent since she also dodged the Shamash

 

[Avengershows]

Although then I need to say if Knight moonbeam still has a case
Does Incomplete Herrscher Mei scale to Knight moon beam since she literally powered her up from 0% to 100% and gave her an amped Gungnir on top of that with more to spare
If so then that might make the speed calcs relating to her lightning or Benares in the verse invalid
Because then she’d have Ftl lightning via scaling and using that for calcs is Calc stacking
Either that or in worse case scenario lightning would be an anti feat since it’s proven real lightning via its various similar traits and applications like EM fields

I'm p sure that that doesn't neccesairly become an anti-feat since the battlesuit would've been conducting lightning and not gamma rays like normal since it's power source was the HoT

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Yeah Kiana's dodge even if you can call it that isn't that impressive, she just moved slightly to or left.

As for Welt hype text, the same manga hyped up the full power might of an utu being able to destroy a town like its something special, do we take that as an anti feat too?

Also, Hua being LS is consistent since she also dodged the Shamash

Kiana side stepping does look like it could be MHS+ tho maybe even Sub relativistic probably gonna see how to Calc that

Might of An Utu was stated in a completely different manga to have obliterated two cities
Since it was during the far more advanced and developed PE we can’t be sure on city size likely they were like OPM style small country sized cities
And The wording was obliterated with Shamash being a fire weapon likely meaning it vaporized them pretty easily tier 6(I mean vaporizing towns and small cities yield High 6-C look at Wendy’s Calc) although yeah it is probably lower than the weapons other showings

Going by the panel of Fu Hua saw the bullet and pretty narrowly dodged the bullet directly then it exploded in the back ground
With her dodging the explosion although not moving that far
Plus we don’t know how far Fu Hua was relative to siegfried so it might just be unquantifiable or a vaguely relativistic reaction

I never viewed that Siegfried panel as dodging seems more like that’s just the angle it came down from and he got surprised/spooked

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I'm p sure that that doesn't neccesairly become an anti-feat since the battlesuit would've been conducting lightning and not gamma rays like normal since it's power source was the HoT

So I’m assuming if these beams were accepted
The likes of Himieko Welt clones white comet and early Mei would stay Mhs
But Knight moonbeam sirin and Kiana would be MHS with speed of light attack speed?
If I’m getting this right

 

[Avengershows]

Kiana side stepping does look like it could be MHS+ tho maybe even Sub relativistic probably gonna see how to Calc that

Might of An Utu was stated in a completely different manga to have obliterated two cities
Since it was during the far more advanced and developed PE we can’t be sure on city size likely they were like OPM style small country sized cities
And The wording was obliterated with Shamash being a fire weapon likely meaning it vaporized them pretty easily tier 6(I mean vaporizing towns and small cities yield High 6-C look at Wendy’s Calc) although yeah it is probably lower than the weapons other showings

Going by the panel of Fu Hua saw the bullet and pretty narrowly dodged the bullet directly then it exploded in the back ground
With her dodging the explosion although not moving that far
Plus we don’t know how far Fu Hua was relative to siegfried so it might just be unquantifiable or a vaguely relativistic reaction

I never viewed that Siegfried panel as dodging seems more like that’s just the angle it came down from and he got surprised/spooked

The Might of An-Utu was stated in the same manga, I'll get the panel rn.

So I’m assuming if these beams were accepted
The likes of Himieko Welt clones white comet and early Mei would stay Mhs
But Knight moonbeam sirin and Kiana would be MHS with speed of light attack speed?
If I’m getting this right

Yeah KMB Sirin (who should be much stronger than regular KMB due to having 2 full cores) would be MHS with SoL Attack speed and potentially SoL reactions, current HoV would scale too.
Fu Hua would be Relativistic+ most likely, and the god tiers too.

Kiana side stepping does look like it could be MHS+ tho maybe even Sub relativistic probably gonna see how to Calc that

Might of An Utu was stated in a completely different manga to have obliterated two cities
Since it was during the far more advanced and developed PE we can’t be sure on city size likely they were like OPM style small country sized cities
And The wording was obliterated with Shamash being a fire weapon likely meaning it vaporized them pretty easily tier 6(I mean vaporizing towns and small cities yield High 6-C look at Wendy’s Calc) although yeah it is probably lower than the weapons other showings

Going by the panel of Fu Hua saw the bullet and pretty narrowly dodged the bullet directly then it exploded in the back ground
With her dodging the explosion although not moving that far
Plus we don’t know how far Fu Hua was relative to siegfried so it might just be unquantifiable or a vaguely relativistic reaction

I never viewed that Siegfried panel as dodging seems more like that’s just the angle it came down from and he got surprised/spooked

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

The Might of An-Utu was stated in the same manga, I'll get the panel rn.


Yeah KMB Sirin (who should be much stronger than regular KMB due to having 2 full cores) would be MHS with SoL Attack speed and potentially SoL reactions, current HoV would scale too.
Fu Hua would be Relativistic+ most likely, and the god tiers too.

That Might of an utu panel is probably referring to the same instance the world serpent manga mentioned of obliterating cities since it says the info was from the Schicksal archives
Then the world serpent manga says that it’s a common tale about the weapon just that the source in the World serpent manga is omniscient narration rather than the Schicksal files which are more likely to have errors or holes in their info due to the tale being so old

 

[Avengershows]

That Might of an utu panel is probably referring to the same instance the world serpent manga mentioned of obliterating cities since it says the info was from the Schicksal archives
Then the world serpent manga says that it’s a common tale about the weapon just that the source in the World serpent manga is omniscient narration rather than the Schicksal files which are more likely to have errors or holes in their info

It doesn't, if you look at the panel below we literally see Siegfried (clothes and hair), so it most likely reffers to Siegfrieds doing

 

[Avengershows]

btw I found the lifting strength thing I was looking for for ages

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

It doesn't, if you look at the panel below we literally see Siegfried (clothes and hair), so it most likely reffers to Siegfrieds doing

Ok then even so we didn’t get too much context to even know if Siegfried tried hard enough/used it to the same extent he used it vs Sirin where it yielded 60 petatons
Or seemingly Kevin’s Usage of it to vaporize cities
Therefore limiting its range(Since the weapon literally has thousands of kilometers of range off the Siegfried Calc) and attack power

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

btw I found the lifting strength thing I was looking for for ages

Cool
Confirmed Galactic-Universal lifting strength foe Dea Anchora

 

[Avengershows]

Ok then even so we didn’t get too much context to even know if Siegfried tried hard enough/used it to the same extent he used it vs Sirin where it yielded 60 petatons
Or seemingly Kevin’s Usage of it to vaporize cities
Therefore limiting its range(Since the weapon literally has thousands of kilometers of range off the Siegfried Calc) and attack power

Do you understand now why I don't like using the early manga and game chapters a lot? They often contradict themselves and are full of retcons. Hence why I think anything pre-HoV reawakening chapter release should be concidered iffy especially if it's supposed anti-feats, given how easily they got retconned later on by mihoyo.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Do you understand now why I don't like using the early manga and game chapters a lot? They often contradict themselves and are full of retcons. Hence why I think anything pre-HoV reawakening chapter release should be concidered iffy especially if it's supposed anti-feats, given how easily they got retconned later on by mihoyo.

Yeah this is wack
The weapon is casually tier 6 with some tier 5 stuff so for a feat that’s probably only 7-A at best to get hyped
Definitely deserves grains of salt
Although stuff like moon shadow ofc is fine despite being earlier stuff since it doesn’t really have contradictions

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

btw I found the lifting strength thing I was looking for for ages

Also a much more minor thing since Fu Hua can move in 100g she is class 5 without scaling to raven (Around 5-6 tons depending on her weight)
Not much but that’s something

 

[Avengershows]

Yeah this is wack
The weapon is casually tier 6 with some tier 5 stuff so for a feat that’s probably only 7-A at best to get hyped
Definitely deserves grains of salt
Although stuff like moon shadow ofc is fine despite being earlier stuff since it doesn’t really have contradictions

Moon Shadow is the only one of the older manga that has no contradictions

Also a much more minor thing since Fu Hua can move in 100g she is class 5 without scaling to raven (Around 5-6 tons depending on her weight)
Not much but that’s something

I believe that was base Fu Hua, who is far from her prime and doesn't have most of her powers too so that should be something

 

[Avengershows]

Anyway, as for the LS stuff, here's some things that might be able to support Rela to Rela+:

• KMB gamma particle and gamma ray beams
• Benares flying to the Moon after being crushed by Welt, tho it was an unspecified amount of time
• Sirin casually moving to the Earth in a relativley fast amount of time
• Sirin's space rocks make even more sense right now
• Everyone and their mother keeping up with Mei's lightning
• Otto shooting the Shamash from a black hole to destroy the Divine Key
• Fu Hua dodging gamma ray beams
• Fu Hua dodging Shamash
• Fu Hua is able to keep up with Sirin
• A-Rankers keeping up with Benares lightning
• Theresa speed blitzing lightning from Benares from a far enough distance away that no-one even knew she was there, despite the fact that they're trained to be fighters
• Durandal leaving a trail of literal light behind her when flying (which shouldn't be possible as far as I'm aware, given it's length)

correct me if I forgot anything or made a mistake somewhere

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Moon Shadow is the only one of the older manga that has no contradictions


I believe that was base Fu Hua, who is far from her prime and doesn't have most of her powers too so that should be something

Yeah Base Fu Hua did it , I'm actually thinking it might be even more impressive since if I remember right Fu Hua blitzed the Welt clone while weighing that much and we all know the classic F = M X A which can be used for LS

And due to her being so much weaker it means alot

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Anyway, as for the LS stuff, here's some things that might be able to support Rela to Rela+:

• KMB gamma particle and gamma ray beams
• Benares flying to the Moon after being crushed by Welt, tho it was an unspecified amount of time
• Sirin casually moving to the Earth in a relativley fast amount of time
• Sirin's space rocks make even more sense right now
• Everyone and their mother keeping up with Mei's lightning
• Otto shooting the Shamash from a black hole to destroy the Divine Key
• Fu Hua dodging gamma ray beams
• Fu Hua dodging Shamash
• Fu Hua is able to keep up with Sirin
• A-Rankers keeping up with Benares lightning
• Theresa speed blitzing lightning from Benares from a far enough distance away that no-one even knew she was there, despite the fact that they're trained to be fighters
• Durandal leaving a trail of literal light behind her when flying (which shouldn't be possible as far as I'm aware, given it's length)

correct me if I forgot anything or made a mistake somewhere

In the case of Durandal I think it was just Bright Knight: Excelsis' lighting system or how it is powered based on this snip bit from it's discription

"The long hang-time of the Knight Moonbeam battlesuit and the Eclipse Mode of the Shadow Knight battlesuit have demonstrated different aerial tactics, which have been dynamically combined and incorporated into the lightwing system of Bright Knight: Excelsis. When the propulsion wings on both sides of the battlesuit are fully deployed, the powerful engines will emit gamma particles, forming dazzling blue light-wings that allow the Valkyrie wearing the battlesuit to soar in the sky like a bright comet."
Especially since it seemingly took minutes for Durandal to fly from Arc City to North Africa based on Jackal saying the Arc City bomb detonated 15 minutes prior which at that point Kiana was in North Africa

Btw found the rest of Knight Moonbeam's dorm description
"The Lightwing Unleashed (Seraph’s Wings of Light / SWOL) auto-homing gamma ray attack system is a military-grade ranged attack weapon. This system can rain destruction on 50 targets at once, living up to its Godsbane namesake as though judgment day has struck.

The “Gungnir” particle beam cannon is one of Kiana’s favorite weapons. When donning the Knight Moonbeam battlesuit, Kiana can leap up and deliver a precision fusillade from mid-air. No evil can stand in the way of Moonbeam’s lance of light."

 

[Avengershows]

In the case of Durandal I think it was just Bright Knight: Excelsis' lighting system or how it is powered based on this snip bit from it's discription

"The long hang-time of the Knight Moonbeam battlesuit and the Eclipse Mode of the Shadow Knight battlesuit have demonstrated different aerial tactics, which have been dynamically combined and incorporated into the lightwing system of Bright Knight: Excelsis. When the propulsion wings on both sides of the battlesuit are fully deployed, the powerful engines will emit gamma particles, forming dazzling blue light-wings that allow the Valkyrie wearing the battlesuit to soar in the sky like a bright comet."
Especially since it seemingly took minutes for Durandal to fly from Arc City to North Africa based on Jackal saying the Arc City bomb detonated 15 minutes prior which at that point Kiana was in North Africa

Btw found the rest of Knight Moonbeam's dorm description
"The Lightwing Unleashed (Seraph’s Wings of Light / SWOL) auto-homing gamma ray attack system is a military-grade ranged attack weapon. This system can rain destruction on 50 targets at once, living up to its Godsbane namesake as though judgment day has struck.

The “Gungnir” particle beam cannon is one of Kiana’s favorite weapons. When donning the Knight Moonbeam battlesuit, Kiana can leap up and deliver a precision fusillade from mid-air. No evil can stand in the way of Moonbeam’s lance of light."

Even so, for there to be a trail behind her there'd need to be a constant source, so she should be at least relativistic based on the fact that the trail was there for a while, and was literally gamma particles

 

[Avengershows]

So imo a "potentially/likely relativistic/relativistic+" should be good enough for the god tiers, given that theres no absolute 100% proof

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Even so, for there to be a trail behind her there'd need to be a constant source, so she should be at least relativistic based on the fact that the trail was there for a while, and was literally gamma particles

Not really
I can run while pointing my torch backwards for example doesn’t make me relativistic even if the light coming out is the speed of light
Since it’s just firing backwards in one direction continuously moving

Plus Durandal’s arrival in North Africa and while this is early stuff how long it took her to reach New Zealand seemingly also taking minutes (Ofc anti entropy mechs stalled and wasted more time after she arrived in the country tho)
So Durandal probably doesn’t have Relativistic flight speed it’s probably more around High Hypersonic+/Massively Hypersonic
Ofc just flight speed not combat speed or reactions

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

So imo a "potentially/likely relativistic/relativistic+" should be good enough for the god tiers

At least Sub relativistic likely Relativistic/ relativistic+ sounds ok

 

[Avengershows]

Not really
I can run while pointing my torch backwards for example doesn’t make me relativistic even if the light coming out is the speed of light
Since it’s just firing backwards in one direction continuously moving

Plus Durandal’s arrival in North Africa and while this is early stuff how long it took her to reach New Zealand seemingly also taking minutes (Ofc anti entropy mechs stalled and wasted more time after she arrived in the country tho)
So Durandal probably doesn’t have Relativistic flight speed it’s probably more around High Hypersonic+/Massively Hypersonic
Ofc just flight speed not combat speed or reactions

for the trail, it lingered there for a while, and was relativley long (far longer than Durandal's own body), so I do find it confusing as to how a trail of light in mid air would be that massive. But yeah the NA time thing does kinda yeet that out of the question

 

[Avengershows]

At least Sub relativistic likely Relativistic/ relativistic+ sounds ok

I agree with that, for people like SK Hua it should be something like "at least sub relativistic, likely relativistic" but for people like HoS it'd probably be something like "at least sub relativistic, likely relativistic+" based off just scaling in general but I'm not sure if that's allowed in the wiki

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

for the trail, it lingered there for a while, and was relativley long (far longer than Durandal's own body), so I do find it confusing as to how a trail of light in mid air would be that massive. But yeah the NA time thing does kinda yeet that out of the question

It’s still good to take into account
It seems gamma particles in general are consistently mentioned in regards to godbane battle suits

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I agree with that, for people like SK Hua it should be something like "at least sub relativistic, likely relativistic" but for people like HoS it'd probably be something like "at least sub relativistic, likely relativistic+" based off just scaling in general but I'm not sure if that's allowed in the wiki

For relativistic+ we’d need more specific Calc values but those can be done
Although shadow Knight reacting point blank is probably Ftl reactions
We will see

 

[Avengershows]

It’s still good to take into account
It seems gamma particles in general are consistently mentioned in regards to godbane battle suits

Yep, hopefully we get more speed feats soon because "likely" "possibly", ECT. Are eye sores, they clutter up the pages a shitton and it's annoying