They should scale. Sirin with 1 Core did beat a Welt who was much stronger than the Welt capable of crushing objects under 1.4 solar masses. Welt's Herrscher of Reason powers seem to be stronger than his Star of Eden powers, because he completely stops using his Star of Eden powers when he goes all out against 1 Core Sirin.
It was actually a minute, it is just that Black Hole's Event Horizon made it so that one minute passes inside it equal to a hour outside of it. Even than, Sirin was just being casual about it, as she often plays around.
The Benares that is stronger than 50% of One Core Sirin had a pseudo core, which was later broken. The Benares we see in games is without core, so scaling to her won't mean scaling to 50% of Pre-Four Gems Sirin. That scaling wouldn't even make sense either ways as A-Rank Valkyrie's are said to be fodder against 50% of Sirin, and Mei is an B-Rank (Though likely A-Rank in strength).
Welt stops using the Star of Eden once he starts using more of his power,meaning that that all of his power is above the Star of Eden.
Yeah, she would definitely die if in it for a prolonged period of time, however, she still survived being halfway inside it for atleast a few seconds without a scratch.
It took Sirin 1 minute(She was also simply playing around), however via time dilation it was 1 hour for Bella and Siegfried. (Sorry if that doesn't make much sense, I'm not very good at explaing)
Well, they fought against Wendy, who was said to be able to destroy the Hyperion in 1 hit, which should be a feat because of how large the Hyperion is.
Perhaps star level?
Yeah.
She was not damaged from the Silver Bullet at all, she didn't even have a scratch on her. I would say it's because Sirin was exhausted and used up basically all her power.
It doesn't ignore durability. It's just strong.
Just because there wasn't visible damage on her doesn't mean she wasn't damaged. She literally struggled to stand up after it and groaned in pain. The reason she drew all her powers to warp it in first place is because she sensed that it could kill her.
Just saying "no it doesn't" does not counter what I said. Kevin scales above to strongest Divine Key, yet a weaker Divine Key can harm him, this clearly implies that it ignores durability.
Again, she was exhausted and had just spent all of her powers.
Yeah, my bad.
If I put him in a full power Quasi Black Hole made by the Star of Eden, he is definitely going to be hurt. Just because he is stronger than it doesn't mean he won't take any damage at all.
Ah, I see. Well, as Birgi mentioned, he should scale to the Star of Eden.
Herrschers unlike earlier Welt (Can't use his powers without harming himself) or Ana (Was trying to fight against her herrscher persona but couldn't fully win, making her more mindless) and the people that can scale to those herrschers should scale.
That is true. I guess they should also scale, then? Ana did lose to Mei in the end, but the game described it as their powers matching evenly for a while.
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I can't say much about that calc, I'm not a calc member.I think now we just need a list of characters that are affected, besides that I agree with your proposal, just letting you know
By the way, what do you think of this calc? It's about the Gamma beams you were talking about
Fu Hua dodging "Gamma beams"
I purposefully didn't add Wendy because she was beat by characters that weren't even close to Herrscher level in their current states. I doubt she was anywhere near her full potential.
Wendy was still exhausted from fighting them. She was panting etc.
Not asking Why it needs to be calced, but what Feat.
to add, Sirin was completely out of energy too, so she'd naturally be weaker
not really true in the way you think of it, she already was extremely low on honkai energy and was exhausted, panels before that she was seen panting her ass away and didn't even have enough energy to send the silver bullet into a pocket dimension
Wendy was exhausted while fighting them so :teriderp:
given that she was dispatched to fight Sirin I'd assume so?
I mean, they could be relying on her ability to decompose stuff.
Plus wasn't she originally sent to fight against the Honkai Beasts in Siberia? If I recall correctly, she was originally sent to fight the Honkai Beasts, but then Sirin portalled her to the the dream world place.
Okay, but my arguement was never "Silver Bullet scales to full powered one core Sirin!", it is "Silver Bullet could damage/kill her in that state". Me and Zephyr were just arguing about whatever Sirin took no damage from Silver Bullet while weakened or Silver Bullet could damage, again, her weakened self. I ultimately stopped replying because it doesn't matter that much in the end.
I agree that this should be the case but...That actually gives contradictions, as Gem of Desire was said to have enough energy to vaporize several cities if it goes off and HoD core was strong enough to destroy signapore by Sirin's words. It makes no sense for Core's that should be Star level or above to have City-Island level of hype honestly.
Cecilia threw the Abyss Flower with strength enough to one-shot Avrora, who is comparable to 50% of One Core Sirin, I think it's enough to put her in the 4-B Tier
My point was that Abyss Flower can decompose anything, which ignores durability.
by that logic why was HoV able to produce mutli continental damage? those statements are inronically outliers in this case. Same way Shamash being hyped up to being town level means basically nothing. Also, Early Manga + Early Game (Chapters 1-4) shouldn't be taken too seriously for scaling given how much lore they contradict. Esp. with how the 4 gems in the early chapters were made by Sirin's HoV core being split, and what not.
It can, but Cecilia didn't use decomposing ability when she killed Avrora. When Decomposition is present, it is usually visually shown, like when Kira tried to hold it, it slowly affecting her was shown. No such case was present with Avrora, it just pierced her.
Fair enough, though 4 gems think in early chapters was said by Theresa, who had her memories rewritten by Otto by Fenghuang Down, so that is why they are faulty rather than outright retconing. But yes, those low level hypes can be seen as outliers, I was just pointing out.
There's also Wendy's gem being > 4 gems used as a power source which LOL yeah right
I agree that it makes no sense for them to have hype much lower than what they can actually do, however there are hype statements like ”Shamash has the radiance of a supernova” and stuff like that. If you don't want to use that because that stuff is supposed to be Herrscher killing, we have Kiana that can't even use her Herrscher of The Void power properly facetanking a country level explosion. Also, I feel like Herrscher of The Void saying that is basically her going “I can completely destroy this city, no human can stand a chance against that.” (It seems that she didn't have her memories at that time because she didn't recognize Fu Hua, most likely because only the Core of Death was being used, and only partially at that.) There is also the meteors Sirin threw while literally only testing her powers,which caused a gigantic megatsunami dwarfing cities. Also, HoV awakening caused a literally global Honkai Eruption. Those statements are basically them going “I am strong enough to do X, no human can stop that.” (They also always underestimate their opponents) Not them going “My full might can do X”.
With Kira, I'm pretty sure that's just Honkai Corruption because it looks exactly like it.
I also don't think it's very good to just use hype for how strong a character is.
Which feat?
