Hi3 scaling chain rework.

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bump

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

i will come back tomorrow

 

[Vietthai96]

Anyway, at best i could see is possibly Low 1-C, 5D is fine, but due to the recent thread about when statement is valid to make higher dimension significant, you need to prove that all the infinite, boundless statements also includes the extra, higher dimensions in it. I said about this in Tensura Low 1-C upgrade thread, Possibly Low 1-C is pretty lenient, and don't hate me, it is standard

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

I Agree with the thread

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Anyway, at best i could see is possibly Low 1-C, 5D is fine, but due to the recent thread about when statement is valid to make higher dimension significant, you need to prove that all the infinite, boundless statements also includes the extra, higher dimensions in it. I said about this in Tensura Low 1-C upgrade thread, Possibly Low 1-C is pretty lenient, and don't hate me, it is standard

Why would you need to prove this? OP already explained that this dimension isnt compactified because it isnt part of real space the space with actual compactified dimensions, i dont think he need to prove its infinite size because nothing in the chapter contradicts the dimension being finite/compactified at all

 

[Mbpoops]

Theres an infinite statement in the op i even replied to it

 

[Mbpoops]

Point C: (Establishing the Theatre of Domination as a higher-dimensional, infinite realm, causing its creation and destruction to be L1C)
In Chapter 27 Bronya managed to destroy the Theatre of Domination, the entire realm was destroyed, as shown by Rita and Bronya being sent directly to the Sea of Quanta.
This realm is noted to be boundless and infinite in this scan,

 

[Vietthai96]

Why would you need to prove this? OP already explained that this dimension isnt compactified because it isnt part of real space the space with actual compactified dimensions, i dont think he need to prove its infinite size because nothing in the chapter contradicts the dimension being finite/compactified at all

You need statement directly for the extra dimensions to be significant, they aren't compactified doesn't mean they are significant, they would have an unknown size thus untierable

Theres an infinite statement in the op i even replied to it

The statement talking about the realm as a whole, you need to prove the statement also mean all its spatial dimensions is infinite in size, or the extra dimensions is infinite in size. This is standard issue

 

[Mbpoops]

You need statement directly for the extra dimensions to be significant, they aren't compactified doesn't mean they are significant, they would have an unknown size thus untierable


The statement talking about the realm as a whole, you need to prove the statement also mean all its spatial dimensions is infinite in size, or the extra dimensions is infinite in size. This is standard issue

If the realm at a baseline is higher dimensional why wouldnt it be talking about the dimensions???

 

[Mbpoops]

If the realm wasnt higher dimensional they wouldnt have a hard time finding the singularity because they are using means if the 4D reality to locate it the theatre has to be 5D at least becayse they couldnt locate it using 4th dimensional methods

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

The statement talking about the realm as a whole, you need to prove the statement also mean all its spatial dimensions is infinite in size, or the extra dimensions is infinite in size. This is standard issue

Elaborating on the 'why wouldn't it be talking about the higher dimensions' part:

https://honkai-impact-3rd-archives.fandom.com/wiki/The_Solo_Stage/Dialogue

Bronya directly compares the space to feel like the Sea of Quanta, something we know to be infinite 11D. She even distinguishes the space from reality.
The 5th Dimension is regularly lumped in and there's more than enough evidence, like Herrschers controlling Higher Dimensional space, to reasonably conclude they're including the 5th dimensional space too.

This is a direct comparison to the Sea of Quanta. The Wiki FAQ says and I quote:
'If the author notes these higher-dimensional axis within a size statement or alternatively indicates that they're comparable in scope to other known infinite structures, then they (the axis) can be assumed to be infinite as well.'

This further applies when the same method is used to escape the Sea of Quanta (the known 11th dimensional infinite structure) and the Theatre. All in the solo stage ofc.
https://honkai-impact-3rd-archives.fandom.com/wiki/The_Solo_Stage/Dialogue#Blackfrost_Blaze

Just like in Chapter 12: Plain of Vigrid, where Seele saves Bronya from being trapped in the SoQ. The space is blatantly like the SoQ's and Seele (Veliona) uses the same method to escape. Seele even hands over control to Veliona here so she can escape, because Seele can't find the exit from the Theatre's space alone. Just like in the SoQ. She has to ask for Veliona's help. In both times they escape to real space too.

So the spaces are directly compared in their features, mechanics and Bronya even compares the spaces of the SoQ and Theatre, saying they don't feel dissimilar.

Finally:

For indexing purposes, the cosmological structures in a work are assumed to be the bare minimum size required to adhere to both the source material and the tiering system.

Honkai Impact 3rd real space is currently accepted as 4D + 7D compactified. This was included in scoops H1C Honkai thread, this CRT was accepted.

Tesla: No wonder we couldn’t find the Herrscher Core before… it’s now entangling innocent people from another dimension!

Tesla: Can our active Schicksal S-rank Valkyrie take a look at this? It was because of your unique perspective that we were able to find this clue so quickly?

Durandal: …Yeah. This really does seem similar to the “puppet strings” explained in the report. Doctor, if we follow this trail, can’t we…

Tesla: Ah, it’s not that simple. It’s possible that our target is not based in the same dimension.

Why would Tesla be talking about 'another dimension' if the Theatre was 4D + 1D compact? Thanks to hi3 real space having compactified dimensions and Tesla specifying real space, infinite 5D makes far more sense. It's even established in the 4D + 7D scan that humans, like Tesla, can detect higher dimensions. This only adds more evidence to the 5D theatre. They can detect higher dimensions and explain the Theatre is higher dimensional (many dimensions, extra dimensions, etc)

The minimum requirement within Hi3 for this statement to make sense is 5D. This is the bare minimum size.

 

[Mbpoops]

You need statement directly for the extra dimensions to be significant, they aren't compactified doesn't mean they are significant, they would have an unknown size thus untierable


The statement talking about the realm as a whole, you need to prove the statement also mean all its spatial dimensions is infinite in size, or the extra dimensions is infinite in size. This is standard issue

Your assumption is that the theatre is baseline 4D but the theatre is stated in the scans to be an extradimensional space so the baseline would be 5d and the infinite scans support the axis being infinite

 

[Mbpoops]

Elaborating on the 'why wouldn't it be talking about the higher dimensions' part:

https://honkai-impact-3rd-archives.fandom.com/wiki/The_Solo_Stage/Dialogue

Bronya directly compares the space to feel like the Sea of Quanta, something we know to be infinite 11D. She even distinguishes the space from reality.
The 5th Dimension is regularly lumped in and there's more than enough evidence, like Herrschers controlling Higher Dimensional space, to reasonably conclude they're including the 5th dimensional space too.

The space itself would just be 5th dimensional becsuse the singularity was assumed to be located in extradimensional space thanks to the theatre. If it was 4th dimensional they wouldnt have an issue tracking it

 

[Mbpoops]

You need statement directly for the extra dimensions to be significant, they aren't compactified doesn't mean they are significant, they would have an unknown size thus untierable


The statement talking about the realm as a whole, you need to prove the statement also mean all its spatial dimensions is infinite in size, or the extra dimensions is infinite in size. This is standard issue

are these new infos enough?

 

[Vietthai96]

Bronya directly compares the space to feel like the Sea of Quanta, something we know to be infinite 11D. She even distinguishes the space from reality.
The 5th Dimension is regularly lumped in and there's more than enough evidence, like Herrschers controlling Higher Dimensional space, to reasonably conclude they're including the 5th dimensional space too.

This is a direct comparison to the Sea of Quanta. The Wiki FAQ says and I quote:
'If the author notes these higher-dimensional axis within a size statement or alternatively indicates that they're comparable in scope to other known infinite structures, then they (the axis) can be assumed to be infinite as well.'

This is oke for Low 1-C now

Why would Tesla be talking about 'another dimension' if the Theatre was 4D + 1D compact? Thanks to hi3 real space having compactified dimensions and Tesla specifying real space, infinite 5D makes far more sense. It's even established in the 4D + 7D scan that humans, like Tesla, can detect higher dimensions. This only adds more evidence to the 5D theatre. They can detect higher dimensions and explain the Theatre is higher dimensional (many dimensions, extra dimensions, etc)

I swear you guys never understand what i say, but i don't have time for another argument anyway

 

[Mbpoops]

This is oke for Low 1-C now



I swear you guys never understand what i say, but i don't have time for another argument anyway

tysm

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808 @Planck69 @DarkDragonMedeus was asked to tag some admins

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Bump

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bump (this is a humiliation ritual)

 

[Planck69]

I agree with Viet's conclusion.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

This can be closed then, ty.