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But yeah, i will add the rest.
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Honkai Impact 3rd potential upgrade?
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About the jump from FTL to FTL+, it is not allowed unless the difference between AP or Speed from a Tier to another is at most 1.5x
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The Herrscher of The Void with only 1 Core and being able to use only less than 50% of that 1 Core's power was able to go FTL and Sirin had 6 Cores, and characters could react to Sirin.
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FTL seems more sensible atm
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Alright then.
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I think yes
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I think it would be good to call a Mod for the thread to see if the update can be applied
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Alright.
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4-B explanations :
A supernova had a 1% chance of defeating sirin.
Welt can compress his core under 1.4 solar masses, while severely weakened.
In the Durandal Visual Novel, it is outright stated that the Herrschers have enough energy to create solar systems. This is consistent with this calculation.
(Welt can manipulate the effects of his black holes due to his ability of gravity manipulation with the Star of Eden, and he outright states this.)
FTL explanations :
A partially awakened Herrscher of The Void can fire out gamma beams, which base Fu Hua is capable of easily reacting to, and The Herrscher of The Void moves so fast that Fu Hua barely dodges.
You can explain them being able to talk with this.
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Yes, the Durandal VN is canon and is ironically one of the most important parts of lore for world building. :teriderp:
as for the speed feats, they got calced
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Okay. It should be fine to use then.
Okay. Only Sub-Relativistic speed was accepted though, not FTL.
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The reactions are FTL, and the Herrscher of The Void was able to move fast enough that Fu Hua barely reacted.
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It's still FTL reaction speed though. And since the partially awakened Herrscher of The Void can go fast enough that Fu Hua can barely react, we know they can move FTL too.
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Sooo...
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We scale combat speed to reactions speed, but I do not believe we do the opposite.
And perception time (which the reactions part of the calc is about) is a third thing, which is not actually a speed value in a literal sense. It describes the timeframe which a character needs to perform a mental response. As it is a timeframe it can never be scaled to a speed as a timeframe and a velocity are two completely different units of measurement.
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Yeah, but Fu Hua was barely able to react to a character's attack.
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the values arent close enough for an upscale, without a clear way of telling how fast HoV is we can't upscale to FTL
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So do you think that our Reactions page needs to be revised or possibly removed altogether, due to that it differs too much from our combat speed values?
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No, I believe the page is fine and useful. Perception time is simply a separate statistic from combat speed (and speed in general for that matter).
We only need to make sure we differentiate between reaction/perception time, reaction speed and combat speed (although the latter two frequently are the same).
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I mean, It's still :
A character with FTL reaction speed
Struggling to react to another character's attack
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Ok. Should I find something to improve I will.
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So, after thinking for a bit, I think that the pseudo Herrschers combined were 50% of 1 Core Sirin, not individually, because Sirin implies that Agata was the weakest pseudo Herrscher, but what Otto said, if taken as in individually, would mean that they are all equal. Though I don't really think that this would make the characters that scale to them not 4-B because of the large gap between the higher tiers, I felt like this was important to bring up.
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I feel like you could also argue the Agata thing didn't mean she was weaker, but useless because of her personality. She was kinda hot headed, and toyed with people, unlike say, Avrora who was really cautious the entire time in her fights, or Gallin who despite being a coward, had the strongest ability and killed people passively, etc
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True, but Galina couldn't even control her powers. Hm... Yeah, you're right.
By the way, does everybody agree with the upgrade?
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Well, the conclusion is 4-B and FTL, I think.
I think what needs to be done is just applying the changes? If anybody wants to bring up something, feel free to do so.
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