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I'm saying that the blog isn't accurate to the real situation of the Sea of Quanta.I'm confused on your response.
As for why Sola chose to say it's 5-D because of that, I have no clue
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I'm saying that the blog isn't accurate to the real situation of the Sea of Quanta.I'm confused on your response.
Except for the part where higher dimensional beings are treated as infinitely superior to lower dimensional ones?The presence of the idea still puts other supposed higher dimensions to question likely making it so it would only qualify for a "possibly" at best.
Please read my response to the blog, since I believe it isn't accurate to the actual cosmology presented in gameOP looks solid to me.
I’d advise you to read mines and AvengerShow’s arguments.OP looks solid to me.
Are we handling all of the Tier 6 rescaling in this thread? If so, I suggest making another thread would make it easier as this in itself is already a pretty big topic.
But it's proven that it can't be blanketed to every dimension that exists. There still exists 4 spatial dimensions that are infinite in size qualifying for a tier but it's also in conjunction with compactified dimensions.Except for the part where higher dimensional beings are treated as infinitely superior to lower dimensional ones?
Prime examples: Ryusuke from Honkai 3rd, Seele from Honkai 2 and Delta from Honkai 2
And you can't assume that every dimension is a string dimension, the characters made it a point to point out the fact that the string dimensions of "that Universe" are strings. Within the Anti-Entropy novel, 2 characters state that dimensions stretch out into infinity. So what then?But it's proven that it can't be blanketed to every dimension that exists. There still exists 4 spatial dimensions that are infinite in size qualifying for a tier but it's also in conjunction with compactified dimensions.
Double check the reasoning for 5-D/Low 1-C Sea of Quanta. I don't think that's legit.OP looks solid to me.
Are we handling all of the Tier 6 rescaling in this thread? If so, I suggest making another thread would make it easier as this in itself is already a pretty big topic.
Also, the authors within extra descriptions made it very clear that the real world space (which in this case is the 4D+7SD) is characterized by that, while everything else (that has higher dimensions) is not real space.And you can't assume that every dimension is a string dimension, the characters made it a point to point out the fact that the string dimensions of "that Universe" are strings. Within the Anti-Entropy novel, 2 characters state that dimensions stretch out into infinity. So what then?
Seems to be referring to specific dimensional space unless you also want to say it applies to all dimensions and thus the demonstratably compactified dimensions.And you can't assume that every dimension is a string dimension, the characters made it a point to point out the fact that the string dimensions of "that Universe" are strings. Within the Anti-Entropy novel, 2 characters state that dimensions stretch out into infinity. So what then?
Also the fact that it's said "infinite extension in four dimensions" proves that it is or can be referring to specific dimensions and not blanketing it to every dimension there is.Seems to be referring to specific dimensional space unless you also want to say it applies to all dimensions and thus the demonstratably compactified dimensions.
String dimensions aren't treated as proper dimensions in the lore, like, ever.Seems to be referring to specific dimensional space unless you also want to say it applies to all dimensions and thus the demonstratably compactified dimensions.
???? Not the statement I'm talking about, can you please actually get a clue about what I'm talking about instead of assuming thingsAlso the fact that it's said "infinite extension in four dimensions" proves that it is or can be referring to specific dimensions and not blanketing it to every dimension there is.
Can I have proof of them not being treated as proper dimensions? Because it sure seems like they are. Unless your only proof is an absence of it which isn't really proof.String dimensions aren't treated as proper dimensions in the lore, like, ever.
It corroborates what statement you brought up.???? Not the statement I'm talking about, can you please actually get a clue about what I'm talking about instead of assuming things
-In this metaphorical sense, the "Sea of Quanta" is the "Ocean" that contains all these "Bubble Worlds".
The bathtub is the sea of quanta.... Well, you can actually think of it as a bathtub if you'd like. Because of the "Ether" that constitutes the "Sea of Quanta", in it's "ebbing and flowing", it'll naturally form a variety of "Membranes", and these "Membranes" have the opportunity to evolve into "Bubble Worlds".
And it's saying that this bathtub consists of or possesses 11 dimensions which is elaborated to be the 4 infinite dimensions + 7 compactified.And these "Bubble Worlds", for the "Ether Bathtub" also have their own "trade-offs" for the inheritance of all 11- dimensions that the "Ether Bathtub" posseses.
For example, what we know as "the Universe" is a class of "Membranes" with "infinite extension in 4 dimensions, and finite curl in 7 dimensions, with various constants that are consistent with everyday experience.
for the "Ether Bathtub" also have their own "trade-offs" for the inheritance of all 11- dimensions that the "Ether Bathtub" posseses.
So my above point of it not referring to a universe was kinda wrong but my point remains the same because well they're inheriting the 11 dimensions from the sea of quanta.For example
Can I have proof of them not being treated as proper dimensions? Because it sure seems like they are. Unless your only proof is an absence of it which isn't really proof.
"the Universe" in chinese is "that Universe", and no, it's not talking about the bathtub. It literally says "for example" there after saying inheritance can come at trade-offs dawgAnd it's saying that this bathtub consists of or possesses 11 dimensions which is elaborated to be the 4 infinite dimensions + 7 compactified.
I regret not translating this part as literally as I could simply to avoid situations like these jfc"the Universe" in chinese is "that Universe", and no, it's not talking about the bathtub. It literally says "for example" there after saying inheritance can come at trade-offs dawg
It literally seems to be referring to four dimensional space as the space which is infinite. Even the scan with compactified dimensions says its infinite 4-D. Very consistent that the infinite dimensions of space are limited to four. (and calling four dimensional space the only space of real numbers)
"The dimensions of space are infinite. At this time, just their axes alone are already infinite two-by-two perpendicular straight lines."
"the Universe" in chinese is "that Universe", and no, it's not talking about the bathtub. It literally says "for example" there after saying inheritance can come at trade-offs dawg
Holy shit I want to hit you over the head with a fryingpanIt literally seems to be referring to four dimensional space as the space which is infinite. Even the scan with compactified dimensions says its infinite 4-D. Very consistent that the infinite dimensions of space are limited to four.
Lol okayHoly shit I want to hit you over the head with a fryingpan
Hmm, excluding the 11D thing peoples still arguing about, there is a statement from Ryosuke who allegedly become a higher-dimensional being that treats lower dimensions as being akin to fiction which can be 5D.Double check the reasoning for 5-D/Low 1-C Sea of Quanta. I don't think that's legit.
It isn't referring to anything, it literally doesn't specify which dimensions.It literally seems to be referring to four dimensional space as the space which is infinite. Even the scan with compactified dimensions says its infinite 4-D. Very consistent that the infinite dimensions of space are limited to four. (and calling four dimensional space the only space of real numbers)
Even then it can be seperated from the 11-D stuff and not really have much relation to it as there are obviously different types of dimensions with different functions than that of a dimension of superiority.Hmm, excluding the 11D thing peoples still arguing about, there is a statement from Ryosuke who allegedly become a higher-dimensional being that treats lower dimensions as being akin to fiction which can be 5D.
Still to be honest, this statement is extremely random and the context isn't specific to what higher-dimesion mean or what it refering to, since Welt is a 3D guy, Ryosuke could well become 4D and see Welt as fiction. Back in the past i always have problem with this statement
This reasoning itself seems to have been debunked in the OP any way.Hmm, excluding the 11D thing peoples still arguing about, there is a statement from Ryosuke who allegedly become a higher-dimensional being that treats lower dimensions as being akin to fiction which can be 5D.
Still to be honest, this statement is extremely random and the context isn't specific to what higher-dimesion mean or what it refering to, since Welt is a 3D guy, Ryosuke could well become 4D and see Welt as fiction. Back in the past i always have problem with this statement
But it wasn't, it's based off of Sola's explanation where he literally ignores 90% of the gameThis reasoning itself seems to have been debunked in the OP any way.
Now let me go back to this mess:Also it IS referring to the sea of quanta not a singular universe well maybe a bit of both but context stays the same.
The bathtub is the sea of quanta.
And it's saying that this bathtub consists of or possesses 11 dimensions which is elaborated to be the 4 infinite dimensions + 7 compactified.
Oh and y'know
So my above point of it not referring to a universe was kinda wrong but my point remains the same because well they're inheriting the 11 dimensions from the sea of quanta.
It would have been better if you provided scans and context. This is a Tier 1 thread, you need more than claims.Jesus Christ this thread is going to make me wish I had a lobotomy, anyway, I'll restate my points:
You have yet to prove they are actual dimensions and not string theory ones. String theory provides us with 11 dimensions. 10 of them are embedded within 3-D space, and there is 1 dimension of time. Thus, it is 4-D at maximum.The Sea of Quanta is stated to be 11 dimensional, verbatim. It is not stated to be 4+7 dimensional. That statement refers to a specific world, (which you can literally see by the sentence structure there) which has inherited 4 proper and 7 string dimensions. There are setbacks to the inheritance of dimensions, which can result in stuff like string dimensions.
No idea what this is supposed to mean without context.Within Honkai 2, there was a Universe which had proper, full dimensions, that ended up becoming string dimensions due to a certain civilization messing around too much and causing an accident, but that's neither here nor there.
This is 4-D unless you have evidence of this being in reference to the entire universe/cosmology itself and not just "lower-dimensional beings"Within Honkai 2, the Honkai (as in, beings of the Honkai) are outright stated to work on a Higher Dimensional level, and cannot be faced by Lower Dimensional Beings
Also 4-D unless you prove it is higher-dimensional in reference to the entire universe/cosmology itself.Within Honkai 2, Seele is higher dimensional, and has complete domination over lower dimensions, this is stated in her first appearance outright. She also created a higher dimensional space.
Scan needed.Within Honkai 2, Sirin is able to effortlessly create an infinite Imaginary Space, Imaginary Spaces being stated to be higher dimensional compared to the real, 4 dimensional world (or in this case, 4+7D world)
4-D again without more context.Within Honkai 2, Delta becomes a higher dimensional existence, one above all others that was never reached by any human in any other world.
4-D again without more context.Within Honkai 2, Otto points out that Higher Dimensional Beings can completely dominate Lower Dimensional Existences
Not really relevant since we are only going off the verse's currently known cosmology.Within Honkai 2, it is outright stated that the laws of physics, of the world, and of dimensions are formed subjectively by the understanding of civilizations, and that they can change from the world being governed by 4 elements to complex physics
Within Honkai 3, Ryusuke states that being Higher Dimensional makes you view Lower Dimensions as fiction
Refer to post above, I translated the statement directly.You have yet to prove they are actual dimensions and not string theory ones. String theory provides us with 11 dimensions. 10 of them are embedded within 3-D space, and there is 1 dimension of time. Thus, it is 4-D at maximum.
^ Right here而这些“世界泡”,对于“以太浴缸”所拥有的全部11个维度,其继承也各有“取舍”。
举例来说,我们熟知的“那个宇宙”,就是一类“4个维度无限延伸、7个维度有限蜷缩、并且各种常数均符合日常经验”的“膜”。
And these "Bubble Worlds", for all 11 dimensions possessed by the "Ether Bathtub", have their own "choice" in their inheritance.
For example, what we well know as "that Universe", is a membrane class which merely has "4 infinitely extending dimensions, 7 finitely curled up dimensions, and all kinds of variables in line with daily life"
This is 4-D unless you have evidence of this being in reference to the entire universe/cosmology itself and not just "lower-dimensional beings"
Also 4-D unless you prove it is higher-dimensional in reference to the entire universe/cosmology itself.
Scan needed.
4-D again without more context.
4-D again without more context.
Lower Dimensions or Lower-Dimensional Beings? And again, the extra-dimensions provided in Honkai are embedded within 3-D space.
So unless you have proof it is actually referring to the entire universal structure including time, it is 4-D.
Brane cosmology is used.First of all, String Theory isn't natively about small-scale extra dimensions. Brane Cosmology is also a part of String Theory, both the small and large extra dimensions are branches of String Theory that try to explain why the extra dimension isn't seen, one states that they are super small and so from our perspective they have all been eliminated due to dimensional compactification, the other states that they are big and exists outside of the brane that limits our world in a higher-dimensional bulk. Both are answers to strings needing extra dimensions, so it's not a case of "if there are strings, they need to be compact".
Like, right here,Now let me go back to this mess:
Let's look at the Chinese text shall we!
而这些“世界泡”,对于“以太浴缸”所拥有的全部11个维度,其继承也各有“取舍”。
举例来说,我们熟知的“那个宇宙”,就是一类“4个维度无限延伸、7个维度有限蜷缩、并且各种常数均符合日常经验”的“膜”。
And these "Bubble Worlds", for all 11 dimensions possessed by the "Ether Bathtub", have their own "choice" in their inheritance.
For example, what we well know as "that Universe", is a membrane class which merely has "4 infinitely extending dimensions, 7 finitely curled up dimensions, and all kinds of variables in line with daily life"