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Can we guys not snap at each other over this please? Disagreeing while being level-headed is the better way to do this.
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Hinata Hyuuga Upgrade (Naruto)
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I honestly dont understand tbh....i even pointed it out and everything about how logically she is above Sakura cause she has God chakra but in anime/Kishimoto eyes, she is weaker, portrayed to not be stronger at all, and doesnt have a transformation. Hell he even forgot to give Boruto the Byakugan (said in a interview that he forgot to give him one)
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The bolded is not true, bro. Nothing contextually backs tbis notion nor are there any implications.BlackeJan said:
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@TFO
U know its true....she doesnt even have a transformation nor does she go out an fight anymore. Thats basically what she is portayed as.....a housewife who doesnt fight. Unless there is filler, the only way she is actually is gonna be shown in action is when the Kawaki battle happens or another God like antagonist that takes Himawari away (just like how Hanabi was taken so Hinata joined the fight)
U know its true....she doesnt even have a transformation nor does she go out an fight anymore. Thats basically what she is portayed as.....a housewife who doesnt fight. Unless there is filler, the only way she is actually is gonna be shown in action is when the Kawaki battle happens or another God like antagonist that takes Himawari away (just like how Hanabi was taken so Hinata joined the fight)
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You can't say she's portrayed as weaker just because she is a housewife now. Same goes for Sakura, who is shown being nothing more than a housewife also.BlackeJan said:
The only fight Sakura had post the last was against Shin which was off screened mostly and the only fight Hinata had post the last was against Momoshiki/Kinshiki, which was off screen as well.
Based on what are you saying Sakura is portrayed as stronger? Yeah, we've seen Hinata being a housewife more than Sakura, sure, but that is a screentime problem. The story revolves around Boruto, not Sarada, so of course we'd see more of Hinata than Sakura.
It's an extremely contrived notion that Hinata is portrayed weaker. Nothing indicates her being weaker.
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Mmm still makes me wonder why Momo didn't go after Hinata for her chakra. Kishi definitely forgot about Hamura's chakra
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It makes me wonder why he didn't go for Sasuke as well? Like...Naruto has more chakra, sure...but 100% Kyuubi is just a Blip compared to 50% Hagoromo Chakra.Ssr4vegito said:
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Maybe she spent all of it when she gave to Naruto and didn't regenerate it.TheFinalOrder said:
But Momoshiki search for Kurama even Naruto's chakra is far far larger and far more potent than 100% Kurama, I think even Sasuke has more and potent chakra than Kurama.
It's plot again, Kishimoto doesn't care about consistency about power level/general lore especially from the start of the War Arc.
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Well, Chakra always Regenerates, so Hinata has it. Chuck Momoshiki's plans up to PIS. That said, Hinata should still Scale above Sakura.Mindovin said:
I'll tally those who're for and against this.
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I agree with Hinata getting a higher rating and it should be properly worded on why she has the rating
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Still want to see Hinata throwing a punch against any Kage whatsoever. Still want to see the statement suggesting she got any stronger other than people saying she did with these terms that don't exist within the series.
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This is quite a strech,she doesn't have any actual feats and it seems the evidence is "she healed naruto faster" Hinata is in no way superior to Sakura at all.
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There is literally 0 evidence like at all not even a statement of her potential strength you all seem to think she has.
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For the Upgrade:
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Hmmm,count me in as i agree with this upgrade.
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Wait, isn't there a light novel taking place after the last? Maybe sasuke shinden. I've seen the anime version where she fights with the exploding humans and faints. Maybe she needs 2 keys one being the Last(Hamura chakra) and other the current one. Last have 'likely higher' and current being unknown. Not that i don't support it but....
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Again...Hinata did not heal naruto. Hinata, Gave Naruto some chakra.Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
The feat is in her giving Chakra.
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- When Toneri stole Naruto's Chakra the first time, it took Sakura 3 days to replinish his reserves.
- When Naruto got his chakra stolen a second time, Hinata replinished it in seconds.
- This feat shows Hinata outputting more chakra in seconds than Sakura can in 3 days.
- On top of this, Hinata has stronger chakra than Sakura (Six Paths Chakra).
Say Sakura's Super Strength Requires 7% of her Chakra Capacity being pumped into her fist. And Say Hinata's Vacuum Palm requires 7% of her chakra to use. The feat Basicslly asserts this:
- Sakura used up nearly all of her chakra trying to replinish Naruto's. It took her three days to do so (Let's represent this by saying 95% for Arguments sake) and it left her extremely exhausted and low on Stamina.
- Hinata used up (For arguments sake) 30% of her chakra replinishing Naruto's Chakra in seconds.
- Meaning 30% of Hinata's Chakra is = 95% of Sakura's Chakra (Again, for Arguments sake).
- Hinata in addition has Stronger Chakra than Sakura, and jutsu using stronger Chakra are stronger than Jutsu using Regular Chakra. To match stronger chakra, you'd need to output more chakra.
- As proven, pumping more chakra into a jutsu makes it stronger.
- Thus Hinata's Jutsu would be stronger than Sakura's given she has stronger Chskra and can out put More of it than Sakura has. Sakura would have to out put nearly her entire reserves just to match a casual feat of Hinata's.
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All this mean is she potentially has alot of chakra none of this translate to actual strength,via this logic you might as well say Hinata is potentially Planet level.
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So6p chakra does indeed enhance strength, we've been over this many times in this thread alone and given what the Hyuga clan specializes in, saying Hinata can't suddenly translate her chakra to her power is ridiculous.
Also, why do people keep using the "doesn't translate to strength" argument here? Hinata, like any Hyuga, doesn't rely on strength feats. They use durability bypassing taijutsu, she's not like Rock Lee or any taijutsu ninja that focuses on external damage.
Also, why do people keep using the "doesn't translate to strength" argument here? Hinata, like any Hyuga, doesn't rely on strength feats. They use durability bypassing taijutsu, she's not like Rock Lee or any taijutsu ninja that focuses on external damage.
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You're lowkey saying Hinata is potentially equal to at least Obito,if you wanna use the So6p Chakra argument.
You're lowkey saying Hinata is potentially equal to at least Obito,if you wanna use the So6p Chakra argument.
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A bit of So6p =/= being on par with Obito, who got an actual form from it.
That doesnt mean she's inferior to Sakura of all people.
That doesnt mean she's inferior to Sakura of all people.
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She is based off of every actual feat.
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Hinata shouldnt have "a bit" of Hamura's chakra. At 1st she did but then as more problems arised during the movie, Hamura gave her all the chakra hence why her chakra went from blue to purple. How much stronger she gotten idk but we know for a fact that she is superior to Sakura
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Even so, unlike other So6p chakra wielders Hinata never got a new form from Hamura's power. All it did was change her chakra from blue to purple, representing a change.
Therefore, it's very easy to conclude it boosted her but not to the levels of Obito and others that got an actual form from the chakra.
Therefore, it's very easy to conclude it boosted her but not to the levels of Obito and others that got an actual form from the chakra.
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This is why I get irritated quickly...Sigurd Snake in The Eye said:
Ok, Sigurd, broddy....
- Having more Chakra is just a capacity. That doesn't scale to AP, this is universally accepted, which is why characters like Kisame and Ay don't scale to High 6-C, due to having Biju levels of Chakra or Naruto for having upwards to 10x more chakra than Kakashi without the Kyuubi's influence.
- Chakra control is what determines AP. What is Chakra control? The ability to control and regulate the amount of chakra you build up, I.E, Skill.
- Amplifying Jutsu or stats by putting more chakra into it is an application of Chakra Control (Which Sakura's Strength is a product of)
- Stronger chakra always enhances a jutsu's strength.
- Hinata and Sakura both replinished Naruto's reserves. Hinata did it in seconds, Sakura required 3 days. The fact that Sakura was extremely exhausted afterwards means she used up most of her chakra and stsmina as Stamina is a main component for Chakra, and Hinata didn't.
- Based on Chakra Control and Feats, Hinata has nearly output more Chakra than what Sskura has in her entire capacity in replinishing Naruto in one instance. Yes, that would lead to higher AP, higher stats, etc.
- Not only is that the case, but Hinata has the strongest type of chakra in the universe of Naruto. Feats have shown time and time again that stronger chakra increases jutsu strength, be it Biju Chakra, Sage Chakra, etc.
So, to sum up, Hinata is stronger for being able to output nearly Sakura entire Chakra capacity in one instance, casually and for having vastly stronger chakra.
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Basically it was said in Seth's video that Toneri had similar chakra to Kaguya (SOSP chakra) and Hamura who is the son of Kaguya gave Hinata his chakra (he also has SOSP chakra which means Hinata also has it) and the debate was upgrading Hinata cause she has God chakra in her just like Base Naruto (Adult) but she only has one feat which is restoring Naruto's chakra w/in secs w/ no sweat while it took Sakura in 3 days then becoming fatigue
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It is unreliable and a gross generalization of certain chakra in the verse.Hinata doesn't have a single statement or implication that she is suppose to be stronger then sakura in any way as of now.This is essentially a theory with no hard evidence.
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Nothing about this is a theory, using circular claims over and over is not going to get this shut down. You'll need much more than that.
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I have been staying silent for most of this but how on Earh is this just a theory? Eeverything that was stated is correct. Ofcourse I am against 5-B Hinata but 7-A makes perfect sense to me.
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I actually propose a Hamura chakra key. She does use a purple lion fist which seems to be an upgraded version
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It doesn't make sense much to me because she never once uses this offensively. I just think it was a PIS moment to get the plot rolling cause nothing before from Hinata comes even close to this singular instance, thus why I would be against it.
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Naruto and Hinata destroyed the tenseigan with their combined power(rasengan+ purple lion fist) she shpuld get a higher rating with Hamura chakra key. But the problem currently is that does Hinata still have the chakra? There's no proof she does or doesn't considering she hasn't fought onscreen after the last. That's why i suggest the Hamira chakra key
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I wonder if Kishi even remembers about the concept of six paths chakra
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Well yeah assuming that everyone gotten stronger after the war, i would say that Sakura would be stronger then Hinata but the moment she gotten SOSP chakra then Hinata surpassed Sakura who should be 7-C (7-A considering that Base Naruto is suppose to be 7-A) so yes im sure that Hinata would have to be 5-B or a little less in Base (whatever Base Naruto from the Last would be)
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