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Hinata Hyuuga Upgrade (Naruto)
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Okay, so the basis of your assumption for 7-A Hinata is "Chakra Control" which is also fallacious because Hinata has never once demonstrated putting much Chakra into her Jutsu for higher AP. Thus why she should be at Unknown until we do get actual feats that give her an actual tier. We literally don't know what level she is at since she has only demonstrated having more Chakra than the likes of Sakura and could poor Chakra into another person faster than Sakura.
This doesn't tell us anything about her AP, destructive capacity, lifting strength, striking strength, durability nor speed. It's all unknown to us until we get an actual feat of her using that new found Chakra.
Basically what i've been trying to tell these people
This doesn't tell us anything about her AP, destructive capacity, lifting strength, striking strength, durability nor speed. It's all unknown to us until we get an actual feat of her using that new found Chakra.
Basically what i've been trying to tell these people
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@IMade
>For higher AP
Because of the fact that NO Hyuga, not limited to just Hinata, doesn't focus on AP? I literally made a paragraph explaining this above.
People need to stop using "no higher AP" as an argument against this, it doesn't apply to Hinata's abilities.
>For higher AP
Because of the fact that NO Hyuga, not limited to just Hinata, doesn't focus on AP? I literally made a paragraph explaining this above.
People need to stop using "no higher AP" as an argument against this, it doesn't apply to Hinata's abilities.
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I could do so if you'd like.Antvasima said:
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@Kukui
You made a paragraph explaining destructive capacity being lower than Sakura, and at the same time tried saying her attacks were more potent and focused.
You made a paragraph explaining destructive capacity being lower than Sakura, and at the same time tried saying her attacks were more potent and focused.
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Inb4 she actually does shows a tier 5 feat later on... Anyways, I agree at putting her at Unknown for now.
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Don't twist my reply to suit your own narrative Imade.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Only the later is true, what I put in Bold is what I never said or implied. Hinata's attack are more potent and focused because thats what her abilities as a Hyuga specialize in.
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You literally said that Hinata doesn't specialize in destructive capacity, thus why her's is lower than Sakura's.ProfessorKukui4Life said:
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Not specializing in it =/= being weaker and I even explained this in-depth. Again, do not twist my words because Hinata being weaker is not what I was remotely saying here.
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Lower destructive capacity =/= lower AP.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
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Sakura has higher DC that Orochimaru, but Orochimaru still has comparable AP.
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I'll explain this again and more.
Trying to apply the lack of Destructive Capability argument to Hinata is completely going against what the entire Hyuga clan literally specialize in: Internal attack damage.
This is the 4th or 5th time I've had to explain this. Hyuga clan shinobi do not focus on causing destructive damage like normal taijutsu specialists, namely Rock Lee or Guy sensei. They focus on causing internal destructive damage by releasing chakra from any given part of their bodies, in the form of chakra blasts that bypass the defenses of their target, and hit their chakra points in their chakra network to affect their chakra flow. This is what makes their taijutsu namely unique in the Naruto world and is what makes it much more effective, potent, and focused than any other form of Taijutsu. Focusing their attacks into the opponents body to bypass their defenses doesn't at all mean their actual power levels are weaker. Focused =/= weaker. It simply means they have extremely good energy (chakra) control.
This doesn't just go for Hinata here. This goes for Neji, Hiyashi, and literally any Hyuga you want to name. The only actual Hyuga technique (to my knowledge) that even remotely causes external destructive damage is the Rotation technique and not only is it strictly defensive, but also barely does anything externally destrucive wise (Ex: using rotation only makes a crater around the user and hardly causes damage on the area). Are we going to suddenly downgrade Neji to crater level because his Rotation doesn't cause much external damage? Of course not. It only means his "AP" power is being focused to cause strong damage, just not in the way normal taijutsu users (or Sakura) do by inflicting crushing blows. If Hinata actually focused her powers on inficting crushing blows, then the opposition would have a very good point. But she doesn't.
As such, the lack of AP argument needs to stop. Hinata doesnt focus her power on that but focuses on damaging the opponent internally and unless people want to downgrade Neji's rotation to crater level, you need to find a new argument here to disagree with this.
EDIT: Also, according to Tenten's knowledge of the move from Neji's match with Naruto, Rotation is also a technique that focuses on reflecting the power/chakra of an opponent back against them when they attack the Rotation barrier, even more reason why this technique is barely an externally destructive based one out of the Hyuga's gentle fist style arsenal. It doesn't mean any Hyuga should be downgraded, it just means their chakra control levels are incredibly good and focused into their moves.
Trying to apply the lack of Destructive Capability argument to Hinata is completely going against what the entire Hyuga clan literally specialize in: Internal attack damage.
This is the 4th or 5th time I've had to explain this. Hyuga clan shinobi do not focus on causing destructive damage like normal taijutsu specialists, namely Rock Lee or Guy sensei. They focus on causing internal destructive damage by releasing chakra from any given part of their bodies, in the form of chakra blasts that bypass the defenses of their target, and hit their chakra points in their chakra network to affect their chakra flow. This is what makes their taijutsu namely unique in the Naruto world and is what makes it much more effective, potent, and focused than any other form of Taijutsu. Focusing their attacks into the opponents body to bypass their defenses doesn't at all mean their actual power levels are weaker. Focused =/= weaker. It simply means they have extremely good energy (chakra) control.
This doesn't just go for Hinata here. This goes for Neji, Hiyashi, and literally any Hyuga you want to name. The only actual Hyuga technique (to my knowledge) that even remotely causes external destructive damage is the Rotation technique and not only is it strictly defensive, but also barely does anything externally destrucive wise (Ex: using rotation only makes a crater around the user and hardly causes damage on the area). Are we going to suddenly downgrade Neji to crater level because his Rotation doesn't cause much external damage? Of course not. It only means his "AP" power is being focused to cause strong damage, just not in the way normal taijutsu users (or Sakura) do by inflicting crushing blows. If Hinata actually focused her powers on inficting crushing blows, then the opposition would have a very good point. But she doesn't.
As such, the lack of AP argument needs to stop. Hinata doesnt focus her power on that but focuses on damaging the opponent internally and unless people want to downgrade Neji's rotation to crater level, you need to find a new argument here to disagree with this.
EDIT: Also, according to Tenten's knowledge of the move from Neji's match with Naruto, Rotation is also a technique that focuses on reflecting the power/chakra of an opponent back against them when they attack the Rotation barrier, even more reason why this technique is barely an externally destructive based one out of the Hyuga's gentle fist style arsenal. It doesn't mean any Hyuga should be downgraded, it just means their chakra control levels are incredibly good and focused into their moves.
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Jesus....
@IMADE
At least note that she has Six Paths Chakra amd as such should be far above her Kyuubi Enhaced form.
@IMADE
At least note that she has Six Paths Chakra amd as such should be far above her Kyuubi Enhaced form.
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The difference between those would be actual feat usage.
Kakashi had Six Paths Chakra, yet he doesn't have Tier 5 feats.
So I don't agree with the notion that just because someone has greater Chakra means they are automatically greater. They need to actually prove it through their feats of durability, AP and/or speed.
Kakashi had Six Paths Chakra, yet he doesn't have Tier 5 feats.
So I don't agree with the notion that just because someone has greater Chakra means they are automatically greater. They need to actually prove it through their feats of durability, AP and/or speed.
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>Tier 5
Which none of us are requesting except people who are pushing it too far from before and were told to stop by others, like myself and Rocker, that agreed with the original intended upgrade.
>AP
Something Hinata doesnt focus on for the last time as i've just explained again but seemingly got flat out ignored. Stop with this please.
Which none of us are requesting except people who are pushing it too far from before and were told to stop by others, like myself and Rocker, that agreed with the original intended upgrade.
>AP
Something Hinata doesnt focus on for the last time as i've just explained again but seemingly got flat out ignored. Stop with this please.
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It'd be ridiculous to say Hamura's chakra didn't make Hinata stronger, but I agree with Unknown.
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Nobody is arguing Tier 5 feats or more chakra = more AP, holy shit how maby damn times does this has to be ******* stated?IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Seriously, i'm getting irritated now beyond belief to have to continuously state this. And SPC has shown to amplify Ninja with it:
- Obito
- Kakashi
- Naruto
- Sasuke
"Unknow (Should be Vastly Superior to her War Arc Kyuubi Enhanced form with Six Paths Chskra)"
^This should be the end of it.
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Speaking of her War Arc form, as I stated in the OP, her Kyuubi Cloak form needs a Key:
"At least 7-C, likely Higher"
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Guys lets calm down and not swear curse slurs so much. Fandoms already made a very big deal out of it, so we need to be careful with what we say to avoid a global ban.
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???those akatsuki members are rated just as high as the jinchuuriki tho because of their chakra control and certain hax abilities like Pain and Itachi with genjutsu or just raw power like Deidara and Kisame
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What are the arguments thus far?
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AstralKing7 said:
Although am quite neutral on this.
I mean Hinata does get...or rather has to get stronger from Hamura chakra a.k.a God juice,but scaling her above Sakura,who she has never being superior to (combat wise)since beginning of series on that alone is shady.
Then there is the case she may not have it anymore,i mean kurama chakra did come and go after the war arc,whats to say Hamura god juice isn't the same.
If it had evoked a transformation like in the case of sasuke rinnegan this would not even be an argument.but it didn't.
Then there is the case of almost no notable feats especially combat wise..the fact that she faced off the otsusuki invaders may have been a good one,but it ended up off screen,off page and off everything,only giving us the impression that she was casually stomped.
But I do agree she does have to get stronger but suddenly scaling her AP above sakura who she has never being superior to since beginning of series without feats just doesn't sit well
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WHen did kurama chakra come and go lol??? She has a feat of destroying the tenseigan with naruto which can be an example for combat and for the amount of power she has and can spare is the feat she had pf giving naruto chakra
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@Zzax
It's unconfirmed if Sakura is a better fighter than Hinata. For all we know is Sakura has Higher DC.
It's unconfirmed if Sakura is a better fighter than Hinata. For all we know is Sakura has Higher DC.
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to be honest lol Hinata has the taijutsu advantage over Hinata by a loooooooooooot lol she has been training in taijutsu since she was a child while Sakura was still a girly girly at those ages
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@astral Lol,kurama chakra during war arc,i t was a temporary boost to everyone and that was it.
? She has a feat of destroying the tenseigan with naruto which can be an example for combat and for the amount of power
Lol,careful you sound like Naruto didn't have enough AP to do so and Hinata just about did,when that's not the case,it just needed to respond to Hamura chakra and Naruto's AP
? She has a feat of destroying the tenseigan with naruto which can be an example for combat and for the amount of power
Lol,careful you sound like Naruto didn't have enough AP to do so and Hinata just about did,when that's not the case,it just needed to respond to Hamura chakra and Naruto's AP
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>Combat/AP wise
Again, why do we keep bringing stuff like this up? Ive had to deal with this argument for over the 10th time now and it's still very wrong.
Again, why do we keep bringing stuff like this up? Ive had to deal with this argument for over the 10th time now and it's still very wrong.
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Kurama chakra gave everyone in the ninja war a boost in both reserves and in AP. Everyone who has received a boost of chakra from either a Biju or an Otsutsuki has cinsistently gotten a boost. So that's two places where Ozzy is wrong.
Consistently, getting chakra from these supernatural beings has provided a stat boost of some kind. In addition, Hyuga Clan members are born with the ability to release Chakra from all of the points on their body at once. Doing so requires better chakra control, logically. In addition to consistently funneling chakra into the opponent to manipulate their chakra flow.
On the merits of having Sage Chakra alone, Hinata should be stronger than she was before. At least as strong as she was when Naruto her a tailed beast cloak. The small amount of power of a lesser being compared to what she got from Hamura is clearly inferior. Even Rock Lee has gotten stronger from the Nine Tails Chakra.
At this point, it's almost ridiculous to claim that Hinata would be an exception to the trend. There must be a reason beyond a lack of feats on her part for her to not be unqualtifiably stronger than her previous self. Stronger than Base Sakura seems fair as a random level, but, a plus on what she currently has is fine. It's up to Ozzy and whoever disagrees to prove she didn't get some boost in stats.
Even if you want to say that Chakra Control + Chakra Potency doesn't seem like a fine way to gage AP (I'll agree begrudgingly that it lacks statements, even if it's intuitive), this is unarguable. She is stronger than she was before.
Consistently, getting chakra from these supernatural beings has provided a stat boost of some kind. In addition, Hyuga Clan members are born with the ability to release Chakra from all of the points on their body at once. Doing so requires better chakra control, logically. In addition to consistently funneling chakra into the opponent to manipulate their chakra flow.
On the merits of having Sage Chakra alone, Hinata should be stronger than she was before. At least as strong as she was when Naruto her a tailed beast cloak. The small amount of power of a lesser being compared to what she got from Hamura is clearly inferior. Even Rock Lee has gotten stronger from the Nine Tails Chakra.
At this point, it's almost ridiculous to claim that Hinata would be an exception to the trend. There must be a reason beyond a lack of feats on her part for her to not be unqualtifiably stronger than her previous self. Stronger than Base Sakura seems fair as a random level, but, a plus on what she currently has is fine. It's up to Ozzy and whoever disagrees to prove she didn't get some boost in stats.
Even if you want to say that Chakra Control + Chakra Potency doesn't seem like a fine way to gage AP (I'll agree begrudgingly that it lacks statements, even if it's intuitive), this is unarguable. She is stronger than she was before.
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I don't think anyone thinks she's hasn't gotten stronger, the issue is that it's not quantifiable nor translatable to AP, lifting strength, striking strength, durability nor speed.
We solely know she has more Chakra than Sakura and was able to pour out her Chakra faster than Sakura. But this tells us nothing in terms of any stat besides Chakra amount and control. Thus, why an Unknown rating should be placed with the note; "She should be stronger than before and has shown greater Chakra levels and control".
We solely know she has more Chakra than Sakura and was able to pour out her Chakra faster than Sakura. But this tells us nothing in terms of any stat besides Chakra amount and control. Thus, why an Unknown rating should be placed with the note; "She should be stronger than before and has shown greater Chakra levels and control".
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Logically, If you don't want to scale Hinata from Sakura, that is fine. I'm not even gonna argue it anymore because it's nothing but a headache, but Hinata scales above Her Part 2 cloaked form vastly.IMadeThisOn8-1-2017 said:
Stating she's unknown, sure, but in parenthesis note that she should be far above her cloaked form due to Six Paths Chakra).
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That's the thing, bro bro. You thinking it and Sakura actually being better combat wise are totally different.Zzsax said:
The reason I said what I said before is, If I say show me proof Sakura is a better combatant, you can't because Sakura has Never Hinata. All you can show me is that Sakura has higher DC, nothing more.
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I still think its pretty ridiculous that we're trying to apply the AP argument to a character whose abilities doesn't even focus on AP but damage thats internal instead of external. The only thing this comes down to is chakra control, which Hinata has handily over pretty much any one in the NV for being a Hyuga.
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One thing caught my interest. There was a discussion about 5-B Hinata? wut
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Ignore it, it's not up for discussing now, its been dropped, she's not getting tier 5.Artemiisia-X said:
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Ok good
I agree with that imade guy tho
I agree with that imade guy tho
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Better wording other than being denied the reason for it : She's not getting it based on just the above. Having a person's type of chakra =/= being as powerful as the previous user of their chakra . However ....If she gets more ... direct evidence pointing to a tier 5 upgrade ... That's a different story.
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