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Hinata Hyuuga Upgrade (Naruto)
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What she was is 8-A, this was as a Chunin without any special chakra. Making her Unknown, at least 8-A is nonsense when a inferior chakra pyshed her to Tier 7 casually.Amexim said:
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Can people just stop bringing up Tier 5 Hinata period please? It's not up for discussion for the upteenth time.
She is not getting it, people who agreed with the original upgrade aren't arguing for it and mentioning an unneccesary suggestion is going to derail this discussion and not allow anythng proper to get done.
7-A+ is what we are arguing for. Absolutely nothing more. The more its talked about, the more messy this thread will get.
She is not getting it, people who agreed with the original upgrade aren't arguing for it and mentioning an unneccesary suggestion is going to derail this discussion and not allow anythng proper to get done.
7-A+ is what we are arguing for. Absolutely nothing more. The more its talked about, the more messy this thread will get.
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I was wondering why Sakura? seems kind of like a random character.
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It's because both replinished Naruto's Naruto's reserves. Hinata did it in Seconds while Sakura needes 3 days and was highly exhaustedmnSigurd Snake in The Eye said:
- Showing Hinata has a higher output of chakra and figher reserves.
- Hinata has stonger Chakra (SPC) which is vastly superior to Kyuubi Chakra whoch took took Hinata from 8-A to At Least 7-C Casually.
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I don't agree with scaling her to Sakura because she has no feats above Sakura. The only reason we're discussing Sakura is because Hinata showed greater Chakra reserves and could pour out her Chakra faster. She showed no actual feats above Sakura to legitimately say that Hinata is above Sakura in any stat.
The last argument those for 7-A Hinata is that Hinata has Six Paths Chakra, thus should be above her form in the War Arc when she had Kurama Chakra.
I also agree with that because the Kurama Chakra was innately shown to amplify the abilities of people.
Six Paths Chakra does not inherently do this as we see with Kakashi. Kakashi had Six Paths Chakra and had no 5-B feats nor scaling to any of the 5-Tier characters despite having the Six Paths Chakra. Thus proving that it does not passively amp a person, it must be manually used and activated. Since we have no proof that Hinata could do this due to the lack of feats, I still must say that I disagree. Therefore giving her an Unknown rating with the note; "She should be stronger than before and has shown greater Chakra levels and control".
The last argument those for 7-A Hinata is that Hinata has Six Paths Chakra, thus should be above her form in the War Arc when she had Kurama Chakra.
I also agree with that because the Kurama Chakra was innately shown to amplify the abilities of people.
Six Paths Chakra does not inherently do this as we see with Kakashi. Kakashi had Six Paths Chakra and had no 5-B feats nor scaling to any of the 5-Tier characters despite having the Six Paths Chakra. Thus proving that it does not passively amp a person, it must be manually used and activated. Since we have no proof that Hinata could do this due to the lack of feats, I still must say that I disagree. Therefore giving her an Unknown rating with the note; "She should be stronger than before and has shown greater Chakra levels and control".
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Six Paths Chakra does not inherently do this as we see with Kakashi. Kakashi had Six Paths Chakra and had no 5-B feats
i heavily disagree with this, six paths chakra amps up users by a ridiculous amount, Kakashi went from being a mountain buster to a country buster with multi-continental durability, Naruto went from getting stomped to one-shotting a moon buster without even trying and so on an so forth.
no one is arguing that Hinata should be 5-B. six paths chakra doesn't amp You up to tier 5 but it does amp you to a ridiculous amount.
in Conclusion: saying six paths chakra doesn't amp you is objectively wrong
i heavily disagree with this, six paths chakra amps up users by a ridiculous amount, Kakashi went from being a mountain buster to a country buster with multi-continental durability, Naruto went from getting stomped to one-shotting a moon buster without even trying and so on an so forth.
no one is arguing that Hinata should be 5-B. six paths chakra doesn't amp You up to tier 5 but it does amp you to a ridiculous amount.
in Conclusion: saying six paths chakra doesn't amp you is objectively wrong
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six paths chakra isnt like a second chakra that people can choose from in their bodies, during a fight
the problem arises that we dont know by how much did the chakra amp her by, hence why many users are using the sakura argument.
the problem arises that we dont know by how much did the chakra amp her by, hence why many users are using the sakura argument.
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Since we have no proof that Hinata could do this due to the lack of feats
she does this in the Last Movie and attempts to destroy the tenseigan
she does this in the Last Movie and attempts to destroy the tenseigan
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it's a logical assumtion to assume Hinata would be as powerful as your strongest Jonin , taking into consideration that six paths has consistently shown to amp up shinobi to a ridiculous levels.
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Kakashi's upgraded stats aren't due to Six Paths Chakra, it's due to Perfect Susano'o, per Kakashi's profile:
Country level with Perfect Susanoo via powerscaling
Country Class with Perfect Susanoo (Should be comparable to EMS Madara)
Multi-Continent level with Perfect Susanoo (Should be comparable to EMS Madara).
I'm not saying that Six Paths Chakra doesn't amp you, never have I said that in this thread. What I am saying is that Six Paths Chakra doesn't take a hand in stats unless manipulated into said stats. We see this with Kakashi who has Six Paths Chakra given to him, but his feats are only up to par with his Perfect Susano'o power scaling to Madara's Perfect Susano'o. He doesn't have feats anywhere close to actual users of Six Paths.
From there, we not only have no feats of what Hinata could do with her Chakra (she blended Hamura's Chakra to her Twin Lions to destroy the Tenseigan is the singular feat she has but is not quantifiable), we also know that not all those who have Six Paths Chakra can naturally blend it into their stats; ie, like Kakashi.
It's fallacious to say that she would be above Sakura solely because Hinata showed larger reserves than Sakura and could move her Chakra faster. This doesn't prove she is stronger than Sakura, especially when Sakura still has all around better feats and Hinata has showed no feats with her Six Paths Chakra to accurately tier her anywhere. Thus why we should go with: Unknown (She should be stronger than before, has shown greater Chakra levels and control while also possessing Six Paths Chakra).
Country level with Perfect Susanoo via powerscaling
Country Class with Perfect Susanoo (Should be comparable to EMS Madara)
Multi-Continent level with Perfect Susanoo (Should be comparable to EMS Madara).
I'm not saying that Six Paths Chakra doesn't amp you, never have I said that in this thread. What I am saying is that Six Paths Chakra doesn't take a hand in stats unless manipulated into said stats. We see this with Kakashi who has Six Paths Chakra given to him, but his feats are only up to par with his Perfect Susano'o power scaling to Madara's Perfect Susano'o. He doesn't have feats anywhere close to actual users of Six Paths.
From there, we not only have no feats of what Hinata could do with her Chakra (she blended Hamura's Chakra to her Twin Lions to destroy the Tenseigan is the singular feat she has but is not quantifiable), we also know that not all those who have Six Paths Chakra can naturally blend it into their stats; ie, like Kakashi.
It's fallacious to say that she would be above Sakura solely because Hinata showed larger reserves than Sakura and could move her Chakra faster. This doesn't prove she is stronger than Sakura, especially when Sakura still has all around better feats and Hinata has showed no feats with her Six Paths Chakra to accurately tier her anywhere. Thus why we should go with: Unknown (She should be stronger than before, has shown greater Chakra levels and control while also possessing Six Paths Chakra).
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Kakashi's upgraded stats aren't due to Six Paths Chakra, it's due to Perfect Susanoo, per Kakashi's profile
this isn't true but this isn't something I want to debate here, as I think almost everyone unanimously agrees that six paths chakra amps you
the problem is coming from the fact that we don't have a direct destructive feat to use.
'It's fallacious to say that she would be above 'Sakura
i don't think it's impossible, im neutral on this, however, I did state it's extremely plausible and very likely for her to be on the same level as your high ranking Jonin.
the jonin im specifically talking about are not 7-A, they tend to be around the 7-C range, which is very logical jump considering previous instances of six paths amps.
we shouldnt completely throw logic out the window just because we don't have a specific feat for the said character. because if thats all our profiles relied on then a huge amount of them would be purged and downgraded to hell and back
this isn't true but this isn't something I want to debate here, as I think almost everyone unanimously agrees that six paths chakra amps you
the problem is coming from the fact that we don't have a direct destructive feat to use.
'It's fallacious to say that she would be above 'Sakura
i don't think it's impossible, im neutral on this, however, I did state it's extremely plausible and very likely for her to be on the same level as your high ranking Jonin.
the jonin im specifically talking about are not 7-A, they tend to be around the 7-C range, which is very logical jump considering previous instances of six paths amps.
we shouldnt completely throw logic out the window just because we don't have a specific feat for the said character. because if thats all our profiles relied on then a huge amount of them would be purged and downgraded to hell and back
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I think a "At least 7-C, possibly 7-A" would do just fine.
And yes, SOSP is almost unanimously agreed to amp people's stats
And yes, SOSP is almost unanimously agreed to amp people's stats
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I wouldn't agree that Six Paths Chakra just passively amps you, you should show that you can control and use it into Ninjutsu and then dispaly what the Chakra does before it being called an amp. Naruto possesses Six Paths Chakra, but his base isn't amped due to it. His base is how it is because of inherent Chakra. Kakashi with his had no display of amp, the sole justification for him is through Perfect Susano'o.
Thus, I wouldn's say anything more for Hinata since all she has displayed is posession of Six Paths Chakra, larger reserves than the likes of Sakura and could flow her Chakra out faster than Sakura.
Nothing to indicate that she has better stats than Sakura.
Therefore: Unknown (She should be stronger than before, has shown greater Chakra levels and control while also possessing Six Paths Chakra).
We don't know where Hinata sits currently and we have no marker. To say she should be better than Sakura is baseless and a sole assumption through better display of reserves and control, yet no feats to support while feats to disagree (Sakura having better feats). To say she should be better than an average Jonin is the same. A sole assumption with no actual support. We shouldn't power scale just based on our feelings of a character, we should have actual evidence to support our claims, or we would be inaccurate.
Thus, I wouldn's say anything more for Hinata since all she has displayed is posession of Six Paths Chakra, larger reserves than the likes of Sakura and could flow her Chakra out faster than Sakura.
Nothing to indicate that she has better stats than Sakura.
Therefore: Unknown (She should be stronger than before, has shown greater Chakra levels and control while also possessing Six Paths Chakra).
We don't know where Hinata sits currently and we have no marker. To say she should be better than Sakura is baseless and a sole assumption through better display of reserves and control, yet no feats to support while feats to disagree (Sakura having better feats). To say she should be better than an average Jonin is the same. A sole assumption with no actual support. We shouldn't power scale just based on our feelings of a character, we should have actual evidence to support our claims, or we would be inaccurate.
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I disagre with that too. I very much believe his base is amped (wasn't there supposed to be something about his base being 5-B too?)
She has better control, more chakra and SOSP chakra, that seems logically enough to be stronger than sakura.
She has better control, more chakra and SOSP chakra, that seems logically enough to be stronger than sakura.
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You see, that's also fallacious. Why Sakura? Why not Hashirama or EMS Madara?
We literally have no feats to say she is stronger than anyone because she has no displayed her usage of Six Paths Chakra.
Everyone is singling out Sakura because of her larger reserves than Sakura and displayed faster Chakra movement. But there is no actual feat to say she is above Sakura when Sakura has better feats than Hinata so far. It's egregious power-scaling that could not be supported in an argument due to the lack of feats to back it up.
Her current stats are by definition unknown to us since she has yet to display them. For all we know, she could actually be 5-B or have displayed feats of consistent 8-C. We have no actual feat to support a single mark.
We literally have no feats to say she is stronger than anyone because she has no displayed her usage of Six Paths Chakra.
Everyone is singling out Sakura because of her larger reserves than Sakura and displayed faster Chakra movement. But there is no actual feat to say she is above Sakura when Sakura has better feats than Hinata so far. It's egregious power-scaling that could not be supported in an argument due to the lack of feats to back it up.
Her current stats are by definition unknown to us since she has yet to display them. For all we know, she could actually be 5-B or have displayed feats of consistent 8-C. We have no actual feat to support a single mark.
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To say she should be better than an average Jonin is the same. A sole assumption with no actual support
it's called a logical assumption
Throwing out logic and context for the sake of just being "safe" is extremely flawed.
and if this is the way we going treat verses then im afraid many people better start making CRT's as more than half of our pages follow the same "assumptions" you speak of.
Because the most important thing when categorizing the stats of a character isn't power- scaling, feats, or word of god. it's context and that's something that's being thrown out the window.
anyway thats all ill contribute to the thread
so ill be unfollowing
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it's called a logical assumption
Throwing out logic and context for the sake of just being "safe" is extremely flawed.
and if this is the way we going treat verses then im afraid many people better start making CRT's as more than half of our pages follow the same "assumptions" you speak of.
Because the most important thing when categorizing the stats of a character isn't power- scaling, feats, or word of god. it's context and that's something that's being thrown out the window.
anyway thats all ill contribute to the thread
so ill be unfollowing
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I understand a logical assumption to quantify a legitimate assumption, but you can't here due to lack of anything to back up that assumption.
We don't have the means to power-scale Hinata to due lack of feats or interaction with other characters to power scale her stats.
We don't have feats to quantify her tier.
We have context regarding her Six Paths Chakra, but it doesn't quantify her tier nor gives us a means to power-scale her since her Six Paths Chakra doesn't have displayed feats.
All we have are our baseless assumptions to put Hinata over Sakura's stats solely because Hinata displayed larger Chakra reserves and faster Chakra movement. She still doesn't have feats to put her around Sakura's tier.
We have logic and context, but it still doesn't tell us that Hinata is above Sakura. We literally can not pin a tier to Hinata due to no context for her stats, no feats to quantify her and no means of power-scaling since she has no character interaction to power scale her stats.
We don't have the means to power-scale Hinata to due lack of feats or interaction with other characters to power scale her stats.
We don't have feats to quantify her tier.
We have context regarding her Six Paths Chakra, but it doesn't quantify her tier nor gives us a means to power-scale her since her Six Paths Chakra doesn't have displayed feats.
All we have are our baseless assumptions to put Hinata over Sakura's stats solely because Hinata displayed larger Chakra reserves and faster Chakra movement. She still doesn't have feats to put her around Sakura's tier.
We have logic and context, but it still doesn't tell us that Hinata is above Sakura. We literally can not pin a tier to Hinata due to no context for her stats, no feats to quantify her and no means of power-scaling since she has no character interaction to power scale her stats.
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We haven't come to any conclusion
Hinata doesn't have any feats above Sakura
Yes she does,she destroyed the tenseigan with the help of Naruto as she wasn't able to do it alone before
There is no proof it amped any of her technique
Yes it did. The chakra amped her Twin lion fist changing it from blue to purple( colour change indicates amp incase of SPC, Example- Sasuke's chidori when fighting Juubidara, Kakashi's lightning blade)
If people think 5B is controversial then the best is to make a new key rating her unknown
If people really want a 5B key the best is to make two keys one being the last(SPC) being 5B and treat it as a one off and an Adult key rating her unknown
Hinata doesn't have any feats above Sakura
Yes she does,she destroyed the tenseigan with the help of Naruto as she wasn't able to do it alone before
There is no proof it amped any of her technique
Yes it did. The chakra amped her Twin lion fist changing it from blue to purple( colour change indicates amp incase of SPC, Example- Sasuke's chidori when fighting Juubidara, Kakashi's lightning blade)
If people think 5B is controversial then the best is to make a new key rating her unknown
If people really want a 5B key the best is to make two keys one being the last(SPC) being 5B and treat it as a one off and an Adult key rating her unknown
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Her destroying the Tenseigan with Naruto isn't really quantifiable for Hinata since Naruto was helping. Naruto could have been providing 99% of the Chakra in that attack for all we know.
And I did say that Six Paths amped her already: From there, we not only have no feats of what Hinata could do with her Chakra (she blended Hamura's Chakra to her Twin Lions to destroy the Tenseigan is the singular feat she has but is not quantifiable). But what I also said was that we can't tell how much of an amp it is.Thus, not quantifiable nor scalable to a specific tier.
Therefore I argue we leave her at Unknown until she actuall gets feats or scaling to put her at an accurate tier. All we know is that she is better than before at least.
Edit: It could be a 1% upgrade that leaves her only up to High 8-C or it could actually be 5-B Hinata. We literally have no way of knowing where it put her, thus leave her at unknown until we do actually know.
And I did say that Six Paths amped her already: From there, we not only have no feats of what Hinata could do with her Chakra (she blended Hamura's Chakra to her Twin Lions to destroy the Tenseigan is the singular feat she has but is not quantifiable). But what I also said was that we can't tell how much of an amp it is.Thus, not quantifiable nor scalable to a specific tier.
Therefore I argue we leave her at Unknown until she actuall gets feats or scaling to put her at an accurate tier. All we know is that she is better than before at least.
Edit: It could be a 1% upgrade that leaves her only up to High 8-C or it could actually be 5-B Hinata. We literally have no way of knowing where it put her, thus leave her at unknown until we do actually know.
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We could also be entirely wrong that she still has Six Paths Chakra. For all we know, the anime or manga could end up showing her no longer having such Chakra and she's still the same 8-C Hinata as she was in the War Arc.
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You mean 8-A.
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Now I say here! that wouldn't make any sense to for Naruto to have help if it's 99% while she contribute 1% so that it's heavily disagreed right there. There would literally be no point in Hinata helping since if he's that close then he could just basically do it by himself. I THINK I have an idea for this....@Taka made a blog of Base Naruto rasengan being Low 5-B and there was another blog that had the Teisgan being Low 5-B or 5-B so I suggest we find those blogs and see if we could scale Hinata half of it
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Look Blacke we have gone through everything and nothing directly states how much Hinata helped.
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Yeah my brain literally died right there.Rocker1189 said:
well nvm I looked back but @Taka was rejected cause yeah Naruto had help and all but let's see about the other one
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Your argument using Kakashi is faulty.,
When Kakashi got Six Paths Chskra from Obito, he wasn't able to go toe to toe with Kaguya, lol. You are asuming that because Kakashi didn't, Six Paths Chakra diesn't passive amp your stats, which is false. Infact, Kakashi even states having Six Paths chakra amplified his Sharingan passively. So you are just wrong, there is no argument to be had that Six Paths Chakra doesn't amplify stats. I'm not even gonna bring Naruto and Sasuke who are two obvious cases against your argument.
I can even bring the scan. Hinata should most certainly scale far above her Kyuubi enhanced form having Six Paths Chakra.
Your argument using Kakashi is faulty.,
When Kakashi got Six Paths Chskra from Obito, he wasn't able to go toe to toe with Kaguya, lol. You are asuming that because Kakashi didn't, Six Paths Chakra diesn't passive amp your stats, which is false. Infact, Kakashi even states having Six Paths chakra amplified his Sharingan passively. So you are just wrong, there is no argument to be had that Six Paths Chakra doesn't amplify stats. I'm not even gonna bring Naruto and Sasuke who are two obvious cases against your argument.
I can even bring the scan. Hinata should most certainly scale far above her Kyuubi enhanced form having Six Paths Chakra.
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