Higher 4-B Juggernaught With Other Possible Abilities Upgrade

[Not_Icarus]

Thoughts on one of the best feat regular Juggernaught has since he was freshly powered up again and was feeling serious about his fight againts World War Hulk with even World War Hulk himself stating that even his new found power still isn't enough to stop his momentum?

 

[ZellTemplar55]

He should be a bit higher but not completely equal with World War Hulk, cause I think Juggernaut even himself has stated a couple times that he's gotten more powerful, not 100% so may be pure head canon, again emphasis on think

 

[Not_Icarus]

Minor upgrade but, shouldn't the Juggernaught also have all the Self-Sustenance Types in his profile since he's consistently clearly defined to need no sleep/rest, food, water, and even air?

 

[ZellTemplar55]

Yeah he should, said on the official marvel website and it's even shown a few times I believe, heck hasn't he even been chucked into space before?

 

[Not_Icarus]

a lot actually.

 

[ZellTemplar55]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2603370?useskin=oasis Could you check this out, another upgrade possibly coming for Marvel, just want feedback cause it seems pretty solid

 

[Not_Icarus]

Looks good enough to me, though he has a higher chance of getting into High 5-A instead of 4-B

 

[ZellTemplar55]

Yeah I know, that's what I was thinking and going for

 

[Not_Icarus]

Also shouldn't Juggernaut have at least Type 1 Immortality since people who dawn the Juggernaut mantle are described to be immortal and maybe even Type 3 via his Regenerationn plus possibly Resurrection via Cyttorak? He used to have Type 4 until Type 4 Immortality got revamped.

 

[ZellTemplar55]

What did the revamp due to cause it being removed?

 

[ZellTemplar55]

I think I remember actually, didn't it have to do with being immortal via a god or diety

 

[Not_Icarus]

That. It was revamped into Ressurection based Immortality now.

 

[ZellTemplar55]

It should be considered the same, or at least similar, cause gods and deities often resurrect their "champion" if they fall in battle, and considering how much a poster boy Juggernaut is for Cyttorak, I'm sure he'd probably would bring him back

 

[Antvasima]

I will add Self-Sustenance if it isn't there already.

 

[Not_Icarus]

I think Juggernaut fits more to have a Lobo type of tiering system tbh. An Unknown to at most a 4-B type of rating since he's incredibly inconsistent like Lobo who can lose to the street tier characters of his verse at his worst and to at his best, can go toe to toe againts the heavy hitting 4-B characters of his verse.

 

[ZellTemplar55]

Honestly that's the sad truth about it

 

[Not_Icarus]

He's still a match against World War Hulk at his current best peak though. So there's that. And then he loses to Venom among all people in the next day lol.

 

[ZellTemplar55]

To be fair Venom even overpowered the Hulk once so...Venom 4-B confirmed XD

 

[Not_Icarus]

Juggernaut and Hulk are at least more consistent than Venom is in terms of raw strength levels lol.

 

[ZellTemplar55]

Heck not even bringing up Venom, know that they're are multi-city block level characters that have beaten 4-B in marvel, that's even worse

 

[Not_Icarus]

Venom is a Low 7-C technically speaking. And it's pretty common for long running franchises to have outliers and inconsistencies in them since it's eventually going to happen with all the different writers in charge of the stories all the time.

 

[ZellTemplar55]

Oh yeah I've seen some of the wildest crap, but honestly unrelated to marvel, not that long ago, I legitimately saw someone trying to argue that Janemba was only planet+ and a lightning timer, this guy also thought Thor was at peak a 2 times continent buster

 

[Not_Icarus]

Lmao

 

[ZellTemplar55]

What are Jugs most common feats anyway, just wondering

 

[Not_Icarus]

I don't really know tbh. Whenever characters like the Hulk and Juggernaut are on the planet. They usually thrash the city they're doing fights in, do earthquakes, and other environment affecting damage destroying stuff around them.

 

[ZellTemplar55]

Also one thing I never got, 7.5 times power difference is needed to one shot, so how in the hell are dwarf star levels taking solar system levels on in Marvel, how does that happen

 

[Not_Icarus]

Idk. Stuff like this also happens in Warhammer 40k with guys like Kharn being at least large planet level to possibly solar system level lol. (I actually support 4-B Iron Man but let's not get into that today)

 

[ZellTemplar55]

Oh no I do as well actually, I mean I get the reason why some are against it but if they're hurting 4-B and 7.5 times difference is needed to one shot, technically...they should be 4-B to, since the scale of 4-B is WAY big, but think it has to do more of being of an average tbh

 

[Not_Icarus]

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