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High Hyperversal Adventure Time
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It says that the branches are created from every wave function collapse in Hilbert Space but it's never explicitly stated to ever expand upon Hilbert Space. The second image stated the string theory, which is 10-dimensional at peak but it only consists of 4 infinite dimensions and 6 compactified dimensions which does not qualify for 10-D. All I see is 2-A at best here.
I'm quite clueless that this has any relevance to your infinite-dimensional argument on this topic.
No idea what this is supposed to mean.
Since when was this stated?
Again, I do not see any relevance towards infinite dimensions.
I'm dubious about this since dreams without context don't guarantee reality-fiction transcendence. Not all dreams can be fiction as some of them can be real; no direct statement about Sleeping Being seeing the universe as fiction, especially since it mentioned "a nearby dimension".
Does not express infinite dimensions.
Since when was it stated the 50th Dread World is a higher dimension? The scans you provided do not prove that; even if it was a higher dimension, simply "stacking infinitely" would not qualify for infinite dimensions.
I suppose those are supporting details to your infinite-dimensional AP argument; I see no need to explain more on this if any of it isn't even infinite-dimensional.
After revisions, R>F will be 1-A but currently, it is only Low 1-C.
Nonetheless, I overall disagree with the entire proposal. This is 2-A at best from all the evidence you've provided.
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The scan about hilbert space is probably atleast low 1-C since it implies that there are higher infinities included in the multiverse
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The multiverse didn't expand into the Hilbert Space, so it wouldn't be extradimensional nor have any higher infinities.
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???? It's quite literally describing the multiverse and branching of timelines and that the multiverse has infinities different in size from other infinities.
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And that isn't "higher infinities" in the context of higher-dimensions.
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It doesn't need to be. It's higher infinities that exist as a physical structure in the multiverse which by sheer quantity makes it 5-D.
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Is this... a part of Ultima's new tiering system? I would be clueless about that then, but for now, it's not yet applied.
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Nope. It's always been a thing. It's like how an uncountably infinite amount of ketchup packets would be equivalent to 4-D even if the objects are 3-D.
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No, it's based on qualitative superiority rather than quantitative.
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I just don't think you understand how the standards work for cases like this.
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i agree with Low 1-C FRA
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Tiering System FAQ
A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...
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The evidence shown does not state or insinuate anything about uncountable infinities.
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Agree to disagree.Tiering System FAQ
A: Whether higher-dimensional entities qualify for such high tiers or not depends on several different factors, which may take root both in and out-of-verse. To explain this situation, we must first clarify what exactly being higher-dimensional entails. In a way, yes, though not how most would...
The evidence shown does not state or insinuate anything about uncountable infinities.
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Yeah, Hilbert space is generally rated as infinite-dimensional but it can be both countable and uncountable, or even finite based on its orthonormal basis to the norm, which even isn't enough to guarantee it is uncountable. Too iffy by itself for it to be extra-dimensional.
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This isn't even the argument I had.
This is what suggests uncountable infinity. There are varying degrees of infinity here.
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yes thats textbook uncountable infinity
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That's not uncountably infinite; all it does is imply the tree is infinite. If the tree it's infinite then its size, including all its branches and roots has to be infinite as well.
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There are differences between sizes and levels. Infinity isn't a number, it's a concept of cardinality. Of course, quantities would vary.
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Why?
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Read the OP
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The most I see is Low 1-C if you take the branches as an uncountable infinite number if versions like with the MCU or Spawn.
The Dream stuff as presented doesn't have the evidence for R>F. Dreaming a universe only counts as R>F if you can prove an inherit superiority to it. Since there's a valid alternate dimension where this being lives at, this would just be a Low 2-C feat.
For the recursive universe that's just High 3-A unless you can prove that every atom has its own separation of space and time. Though this would imply that the multiverse of branched paths is 6D more than 5D I guess since it would be an uncountable infinite number of 3-A spaces, which makes a universe 4D+1 and the branch roots 5D+1 by proxy.
The Dream stuff as presented doesn't have the evidence for R>F. Dreaming a universe only counts as R>F if you can prove an inherit superiority to it. Since there's a valid alternate dimension where this being lives at, this would just be a Low 2-C feat.
For the recursive universe that's just High 3-A unless you can prove that every atom has its own separation of space and time. Though this would imply that the multiverse of branched paths is 6D more than 5D I guess since it would be an uncountable infinite number of 3-A spaces, which makes a universe 4D+1 and the branch roots 5D+1 by proxy.
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I can't access the scan provided.
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The only reason the MCU is Low 1-C is because Earth-199999 itself is already 2-A not to mention all the hectic statements of a single course of action that can generate infinite timelines, at every infinitesimal of time. The evidence that would back it up to support the Adventure Time cosmology works identically is the recurring universe, which hasn't been specified to be separate space-times AFAIK, and even if it is it would still be 5-D at best.
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Hunson beats GOLB with a single in Comics
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With this its a similar situation. Infinite branches that themselves are infinite in size and spawn infinite branches that spawn more.
Though like I said the recursive universe stuff could also imply that a normal universe is 4D+1, which would make it 5D+1 anyways.
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that doesn't stop it from being non canon
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Wouldn’t it require for each recursion to be Low 2-C?
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At the moment, we consider Hunson and The Lich to be equal to each other on the Wiki. Lich expresses that he has dedicated his own life to Golb. And then he easily lost to Golb. In the comics, Hunson easily defeats Golb and even separates Betty and Golb. As we saw in Fionna and Cake, the sequel series of Adventure Time, Golb and Betty are still inseparable. So yes, the comic book is literally Non-Canon.
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Nah, if its an infinite series of 3-A spaces that go down forever it would an uncountable infinity of 3-D spaces, which would make the area four dimensional.
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In November of 2015, on an Ask.fm forum, showrunner Adam Muto asserted that: "[The comics] aren't consistent with the show's continuity since there's very little coordination between production and Boom. ... With the exception of things like Natasha [Allegri, character designer, storyboard revisionist, and designer of the gender-swapped character]'s Fionna and Cake miniseries and the [2015] SpOooktacular special [a prequel to the "Stakes" miniseries] by Hanna [K. Nyström, storyboard artist], we won't be referencing anything from the comics."
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Yes Ik, Hunson is da goat!
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A wizard did it? Do we know when Hunson did that?
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In a comic book published after Come Along With Me, Hunson separated Golb and Betty with just his breath. Then he knocked Golb down by punching him. In Fionna and Cake, Betty and Golb still appeared merged.
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What if the events in this comic happen after Fionna and Cake chronologically?
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That can't be possible because in the comics Finn is only 17 years old, in Fionna and Cake Finn is about 28 years old.
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