Adventure Time Scaling Revision

[MysticBrawler]

There are a few characters that I don't agree with scaling to 2-A in this 2-A CRT so I'd like to address them here.

Characters who shouldn't scale:
Among the listed characters in the KingTempest's CRT the following shouldn't be a part of the scaling:

• Grob Gob Glob Grod. - apparently he's being scaled to Orgalorg since the two of them fought in the past, but the thing is the Orgalorg in the past doesn't actually scale to the Catalyst Comet since Grob fought them before the latter could absorb the comet. With that said, he should be reverted to his previous 5-A rating.
• Darren the Ancient Sleeper- the reason given for his scaling is that he made a statement that Princess Bubblegum would be "annihilated across all dimensions" before charging an energy beam. Unfortunately there is 1 problem with this justification, and it's that just a few seconds before making this statement he used this same energy beam to blast a bunch of Candy Kingdom soldiers which in turn shows that his energy beam can't actually erase people from existence(also later those same soldiers get revived which also shows that getting killed by it doesn't stop one from getting revived). So not only does he have no feats to back-up his statement he also has an anti-feat as well. As such he and the Ancient Psychic Tandem War Elephant should both be scaled to 5-A rating
• Vampiric Essence- stated to be powerful enough to "kaboom reality off its whack". With that said, it is neither stated nor implied that this would affect any other reality besides the main universe and it's unknown if it would be even capable of affecting time. As such I think it's for the best if this is just listed as "At least 3-B" Environmental Destruction via upscaling from The Glitch

Edit: Due to Aolphl's arguments I think the Vampiric Essence should instead be "At least High 3-A, Possibly Low 2-C"

• Coconteppi- while it's true that Wizard Magic(and by extension Coconteppi's magic) comes from the Cosmic imagination and thus their powers would scales to their source it's also made clear that the amount of force that one's magic can exhibit varies between users(Urgence Evergreen, Patience St. Pim/spells(Magic Man, Maja the Sky Witch)/magic types, and that one normally only scales to what they're shown to be capable of doing. With that said I'd say the same would be true for Coconteppi. As such I'd say they should just listed as "At least 5-A" via upscaling from the Elementals.

Characters whos powers don't scale to Physicals:
Apparently there was an upgrade thread that seems to have resulted in all of the Deaths(Old Death, New Death, and Death the fox) becoming "At Least High 3-A" for Reality Warping the Dead Worlds, but at the same time it's said that the rest of their stats don't scale as there's no proof that this feat would scale to their physicals. With that said, I'd say the same would be true for the following:

• Hunson Abadeer- ruler of the Nightosphere and stated to be the "most powerful force to be reckoned with". I believe his powers don't scale to him physically so aside from his AP the rest of his stats should be changed to "At least 5-A". Now I know the argument for this is that he was shown to be weakened when his powers are sealed/taken away and so he should physically scale to his powers, but the thing is even when he's at full power he can still be harmed by Non 2-A beings. This is evident in his debut episode where Finn was able to cut him open using a random sword he picked up in the graveyard.
• The Lich- scales to Death and Hunson Abadeer and his powers also very clearly don't scale to his physicals as evident by how his original body was easily destroyed by Finn.

With all that said, the one's listed here should have all of their stats besides AP be listed as "At least 5-A " upscaling from the next best feat.

Conclusion:
Grob Gob Glob Grod, Darren the Ancient Sleeper, Coconteppi as well as everyone that scales to the two should all be removed from the Tier 2 scaling.
Hunson Abadeer, and The Lich don't scale to their powers, as such they will keep their 2-A rating via their powers but have the rest of their stats changed to At least 5-A

 

[MysticBrawler]

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[MysticBrawler]

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[Aolphl]

I don't get it what is the logic downgrading characters to 5-A, if you say that they don't scale to physical stats, then make them 10-C

Vampiric Essence- stated to be powerful enough to "kaboom reality off its whack". With that said, it is neither stated nor implied that this would affect any other reality besides the main universe and it's unknown if it would be even capable of affecting time. As such I think it's for the best if this is just listed as "At least 3-B" Environmental Destruction via upscaling from The Glitch

This thing is completely wrong because, "reality" always refers to space-time continuum in verse, Prismo always uses this word for a standard universe, who is Supergenius, PB as well too. Also if we don't count the time anyway this will be High 3-A (the universes are infinite in verse) or just overkill it and give 3-A, not 3-B.

Also, a random lava-dog Magwod is basically low-ball Low 2-C because his eyes are basically power-source of Ice King's Crown which is can destroy a Catalyst Comet who can vanish entire existence (universe) and the same crown can power-up an entire universe's magic/life source (Fionna's World). Evergreen fighted him in physicals ways and also his ice can damage Magwod. All the elementals are equal and The Lich, Hunson, Orgalorg, 4G and others can scalable to elementals.

TL;DR I agree downgrading 2-A to Low 2-C, not to 5-A.
Also I don't have enough time to talk about everything because I need to hardwork my exams, so sorry

 

[MysticBrawler]

I don't get it what is the logic downgrading characters to 5-A, if you say that they don't scale to physical stats, then make them 10-C

Well they are physically capable of contending with Pre-Grass Sword/Night Sword Finn so I thought they could scale to this. If 5-A scaling isn't a viable for them then another option is scaling them to one of the secondary calculations.

This thing is completely wrong because, "reality" always refers to space-time continuum in verse, Prismo always uses this word for a standard universe, who is Supergenius, PB as well too. Also if we don't count the time anyway this will be High 3-A (the universes are infinite in verse) or just overkill it and give 3-A, not 3-B.

Fair enough. In that case I'd say it should be listed as "At least High 3-A, Possibly Low 2-C"

Also, a random lava-dog Magwod is basically low-ball Low 2-C because his eyes are basically power-source of Ice King's Crown which is can destroy a Catalyst Comet who can vanish entire existence (universe) and the same crown can power-up an entire universe's magic/life source (Fionna's World). Evergreen fighted him in physicals ways and also his ice can damage Magwod. All the elementals are equal and The Lich, Hunson, Orgalorg, 4G and others can scalable to elementals.

No, not really. See there are 3 problems with that 1)there's more to the Crown than the power source as evidenced by how Urgence Evergreen mentioning "phantasmal circuitry" and us seeing into the crown when Betty was causing trouble in it" 2)The Magwood is a lava monster that very clearly has the same properties as lava(and so would also have the same weaknesses)and clearly doesn't use any kind of magic. With that said, all Urgence did to the Magwood was restrain it by freezing it's face and then gauging out it's ruby eyes so I don't see how this could be used as a basis for tier 2 scaling 3) Getting rid of the Catalyst Comet would have been done via the Crown's Wish Magic not it's Ice Magic. The Ice Magic was a result of Dinosaur Gunther wishing to be like Urgence Evergreen so the crown's Ice Magic would actually just scale to latter not the other way around.
As such I don't think this it can be used as a basis for scaling.

TL;DR I agree downgrading 2-A to Low 2-C, not to 5-A.
Also I don't have enough time to talk about everything because I need to hardwork my exams, so sorry

Right now the only thing that I can agree with scaling to Low 2-C is Vampiric Essence, and even then I'd say it should only be a "Possibly"

 

[Maniaunavailable]

the litch is stated to be a top 3 char in the verse, so how would he be at least 5A

 

[MysticBrawler]

the litch is stated to be a top 3 char in the verse, so how would he be at least 5A

The Lich is one of the strongest characters due to his hax not his physicals. With that said, Cosmic Imagination is not a UES, and even if it was I'm pretty sure it would just be a Limited Energy System or a Non-Physical Energy System at best. As such I think it's safe to say that his physical should scale to his vessel not his hax.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

The Lich is one of the strongest characters due to his hax not his physicals. With that said, Cosmic Imagination is not a UES, and even if it was I'm pretty sure it would just be a Limited Energy System or a Non-Physical Energy System at best. As such I think it's safe to say that his physical should scale to his vessel not his hax.

pretty sure his hax scales to his AP. given his stated to beat half of the god tiers so

 

[MysticBrawler]

pretty sure his hax scales to his AP. given his stated to beat half of the god tiers so

Which is why I said in the OP that he can keep his 2-A AP, but the rest of his stats like Durability and Striking Strength shouldn't scale to it since those things would scale to his vessel and not his powers.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Which is why I said in the OP that he can keep his 2-A AP, but the rest of his stats like Durability and Striking Strength shouldn't scale to it since those things would scale to his vessel and not his powers.

it would make no sense to have durability to 5A, since he can outstand other gods lol.

 

[MysticBrawler]

it would make no sense to have durability to 5A, since he can outstand other gods lol.

He has literally never tanked anything from any of the god tiers. He can't even be physically scaled to the Grass Sword since the one time it was used against him it completely cut of his hand with no effort. And as I said earlier magic in Adventure Time is not a UES so there is no basis for him physically scaling to his powers.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

He has literally never tanked anything from any of the god tiers. He can't even be physically scaled to the Grass Sword since the one time it was used against him it completely cut of his hand with no effort. And as I said earlier magic in Adventure Time is not a UES so there is no basis for him physically scaling to his powers.

so shouldnt he have keys, vessel 5A but his true form has 2A on everything else?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Op looks fine.

 

[MysticBrawler]

so shouldnt he have keys, vessel 5A but his true form has 2A on everything else?

Hmm, sure that works. Though isn't his "true form" basically just a disembodied spirit? I'm not sure if he can do much without possessing anyone

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Hmm, sure that works. Though isn't his "true form" basically just a disembodied spirit?

his true form is in the comet iirc, it also predates almost everyone outside of the primordials

 

[Chianli]

Will GOLB keep it{s 2-A tiering?

 

[MysticBrawler]

Will GOLB keep it{s 2-A tiering?

GOLB/GOLBetty upscales from Prismo so yeah they're not affected here

 

[MysticBrawler]

his true form is in the comet iirc, it also predates almost everyone outside of the primordials

OK then, in that case The Lich will need at least 2 keys "Vessel | True Form"

 

[MysticBrawler]

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[MysticBrawler]

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[MysticBrawler]

This is not a bump.

 

[Aolphl]

Right now the only thing that I can agree with scaling to Low 2-C is Vampiric Essence, and even then I'd say it should only be a "Possibly"

Next Saturday I will answer that cuz tomorrow to Friday is my exam week, so please wait

Also I just realized why the hell the glitch is 3-B, it should be Low 2-C too

 

[Lort15]

I don't get it what is the logic downgrading characters to 5-A, if you say that they don't scale to physical stats, then make them 10-C

This thing is completely wrong because, "reality" always refers to space-time continuum in verse, Prismo always uses this word for a standard universe, who is Supergenius, PB as well too. Also if we don't count the time anyway this will be High 3-A (the universes are infinite in verse) or just overkill it and give 3-A, not 3-B.

Also, a random lava-dog Magwod is basically low-ball Low 2-C because his eyes are basically power-source of Ice King's Crown which is can destroy a Catalyst Comet who can vanish entire existence (universe) and the same crown can power-up an entire universe's magic/life source (Fionna's World). Evergreen fighted him in physicals ways and also his ice can damage Magwod. All the elementals are equal and The Lich, Hunson, Orgalorg, 4G and others can scalable to elementals.

TL;DR I agree downgrading 2-A to Low 2-C, not to 5-A.
Also I don't have enough time to talk about everything because I need to hardwork my exams, so sorry

I agree with Aolphl here, i guess Golb won't be affected by this hmph?

 

[Aolphl]

I agree with Aolphl here, i guess Golb won't be affected by this hmph?

Yes, GOLB's tier won't change cuz he/she scaling to Enchiridion which is 2-A anyway

 

[Lort15]

Yes, GOLB's tier won't change cuz he/she scaling to Enchiridion which 2-A anyway

Oh nice, i wish we made a ve between ax and golb when ax was 2-A

 

[Aolphl]

Oh nice, i wish we made a ve between ax and golb when ax was 2-A

Man when GOLB become though 2-A, X got 1-B upgrade . There's so many level difference

 

[Lort15]

Man when GOLB become though 2-A, X got 1-B upgrade . There's so many level difference

Blud couldn't keep up with Alien x's hidden talent, jumping to any tier he wants

 

[MysticBrawler]

I agree with Aolphl here, i guess Golb won't be affected by this hmph?

Well they are physically capable of contending with Pre-Grass Sword/Night Sword Finn so I thought they could scale to this. If 5-A scaling isn't viable for them then another option is scaling them to one of the secondary calculations.

Fair enough. In that case I'd say it should be listed as "At least High 3-A, Possibly Low 2-C"

No, not really. See there are 3 problems with that 1)there's more to the Crown than the power source as evidenced by how Urgence Evergreen mentioning "phantasmal circuitry" and us seeing into the crown when Betty was causing trouble in it" 2)The Magwood is a lava monster that very clearly has the same properties as lava(and so would also have the same weaknesses)and clearly doesn't use any kind of magic. With that said, all Urgence did to the Magwood was restrain it by freezing it's face and then gauging out it's ruby eyes so I don't see how this could be used as a basis for tier 2 scaling 3) Getting rid of the Catalyst Comet would have been done via the Crown's Wish Magic not it's Ice Magic. The Ice Magic was a result of Dinosaur Gunther wishing to be like Urgence Evergreen so the crown's Ice Magic would actually just scale to latter not the other way around.
As such I don't think this it can be used as a basis for scaling.

Right now the only thing that I can agree with scaling to Low 2-C is Vampiric Essence, and even then I'd say it should only be a "Possibly"

 

[MysticBrawler]

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[Lort15]

bruh fix ur msg nobody can reply to it in that case

 

[MysticBrawler]

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[MysticBrawler]

bruh fix ur msg nobody can reply to it in that case

You can just reply to me by using the original message above.

 

[Lort15]

You can just reply to me by using the original message above.

My bad, thought you write it like into an old message that wouldn't allow us to reply. I don't know about adventure time cosmology that much but i might get into it later ı'm here by Aolphi rn so i will wait for his arguments since he is a knowledgable member

 

[MysticBrawler]

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[Aolphl]

Okay, let's see what we got

• Grob Gob Glob Grod. - apparently he's being scaled to Orgalorg since the two of them fought in the past, but the thing is the Orgalorg in the past doesn't actually scale to the Catalyst Comet since Grob fought them before the latter could absorb the comet. With that said, he should be reverted to his previous 5-A rating.

G4 is Cosmic Entity, he and Orgalorg scaling each others and both is clearly above normal ooovians for example Finn, Jake, Ice King, Princess B, Marceline etc. I only see scaling chain problem here, nothing about Tier 2 Stuff.

• Darren the Ancient Sleeper- the reason given for his scaling is that he made a statement that Princess Bubblegum would be "annihilated across all dimensions" before charging an energy beam. Unfortunately there is 1 problem with this justification, and it's that just a few seconds before making this statement he used this same energy beam to blast a bunch of Candy Kingdom soldiers which in turn shows that his energy beam can't actually erase people from existence(also later those same soldiers get revived which also shows that getting killed by it doesn't stop one from getting revived). So not only does he have no feats to back-up his statement he also has an anti-feat as well. As such he and the Ancient Psychic Tandem War Elephant should both be scaled to 5-A rating

I don't have problem with that cuz Darren thing was always sounded me kinda iffy, the only problem here is actually the reason of those soldiers get revived they getting a another beam-like thing from Darren, that's the thing they get revived.

Edit: Due to @Aolphl's arguments I think the Vampiric Essence should instead be "At least High 3-A, Possibly Low 2-C"

Fair enough. In that case I'd say it should be listed as "At least High 3-A, Possibly Low 2-C"

Thanks for that but I don't really understand why you listing as at least High 3-A possibly Low 2-C, that's clearly a Low 2-C thing

• Coconteppi- while it's true that Wizard Magic(and by extension Coconteppi's magic) comes from the Cosmic imagination and thus their powers would scales to their source it's also made clear that the amount of force that one's magic can exhibit varies between users(Urgence Evergreen, Patience St. Pim/spells(Magic Man, Maja the Sky Witch)/magic types, and that one normally only scales to what they're shown to be capable of doing. With that said I'd say the same would be true for Coconteppi. As such I'd say they should just listed as "At least 5-A" via upscaling from the Elementals.

I didn't find an clip in YouTube, I will use the transcript:

Dr. Caledonius: Millions of years ago, the usurpers of Wizard City hid his body away to deny and suppress the darkness that had been magic's original power. Our secret order of wizards have been searching for centuries. For even death could not contain his power forever. The ichor was diluted upon discovery.

We can see he's the magic source itself, being Universe's (at least a singular Universe) magic source is basically grants him Low 2-C, the magic is Universal in verse which wee see in F&C spin-off, and wizards', elementals' and magic users' magic is not limited on 5-A, Pure Elementals' magic powers can go across galaxies, Magwod, Ice King's Crown's magic and many of other's magic is at least Low 2-C which is I will reply in this answer, Cocontepoi is above these cuz he is the origin of Magic, so there's many Low 2-C reasons here I see

Apparently there was an upgrade thread that seems to have resulted in all of the Deaths(Old Death, New Death, and Death the fox) becoming "At Least High 3-A" for Reality Warping the Dead Worlds, but at the same time it's said that the rest of their stats don't scale as there's no proof that this feat would scale to their physicals.

Finn is literally survived in center of one of those explosions and the all of Deaths is way above Finn

• Hunson Abadeer- ruler of the Nightosphere and stated to be the "most powerful force to be reckoned with". I believe his powers don't scale to him physically so aside from his AP the rest of his stats should be changed to "At least 5-A". Now I know the argument for this is that he was shown to be weakened when his powers are sealed/taken away and so he should physically scale to his powers, but the thing is even when he's at full power he can still be harmed by Non 2-A beings. This is evident in his debut episode where Finn was able to cut him open using a random sword he picked up in the graveyard.

Oh that's a very basic of how P.I.S works;

• When used with an equal amount of energy, sharp and spiky weapons tend to be able to overcome higher durability than blunt ones. However, this cannot be considered proper Durability Negation. If a sharp or pointy weapon is shown to have kinetic energy on the level of a certain tier, it can contribute towards the character receiving an unquantified "possibly higher" rating.

• Hulk being defeated by Captain America, and an ordinary python, or being severely harmed by regular gorillas.

• Thor being knocked unconscious by an ordinary gunshot.

An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. Outliers are often regarded as unusable in forum debates. However, efforts should be made to try to reconcile outliers with other canon information, and only very extreme examples should be classed as completely unusable. There are often disagreements regarding exactly what constitutes an outlier, and things that are considered as outliers by some might not be considered as such by everyone. Careful judgement should be used in all cases.

• The Hulk being defeated by an ordinary python snake, or severely harmed by a gorilla.

• Thor being rendered unconscious by a shot from a handgun.

As wee can see, that's just a plot-induced stupidity, outlier. That's a common thing in fiction where gods can kill or hurt by theirs many level below characters, or weapons or something else. That's not a good argument here

• The Lich- scales to Death and Hunson Abadeer and his powers also very clearly don't scale to his physicals as evident by how his original body was easily destroyed by Finn.

Similar with Hunson, that's also P.I.S. But I guess I need to make something clear. The Lich getting destroy by singular sweater is normal cuz we know that The Lich is has weakness against "positive" things. He is getting harm by music which is a "positive" thing, he is getted a body and turned into a baby with Citadel Guardian's blood which is "positive" thing (also the same blood healed Finn's dad leg). Similarly the sweater is "positive" thing cuz it's actually filled by PB's love, that's the reason The Lich can't harmed Finn while he is wearing this sweater. So also this argument is also not a good argument.

1)there's more to the Crown than the power source as evidenced by how Urgence Evergreen mentioning "phantasmal circuitry" and us seeing into the crown when Betty was causing trouble in it"

Yes, the "phantasmal circuitry" is basically wisher's wish, if no one gonna make a wish, the crown won't work by itself. I don't understand what you pointing with Betty thing

2)The Magwood is a lava monster that very clearly has the same properties as lava(and so would also have the same weaknesses)and clearly doesn't use any kind of magic. With that said, all Urgence did to the Magwood was restrain it by freezing it's face and then gauging out it's ruby eyes so I don't see how this could be used as a basis for tier 2 scaling

Let me something clear first, they really scaling each other cuz when the dinosaur gunther waited outside, we clearly can hear that they fighting inside, so they going with together in scaling, especially in physical ways. Also the lava/fire X Ice battles is always happens in verse and peoples are actually scaling each others, especially Ice King and Flame Queen.

Getting rid of the Catalyst Comet would have been done via the Crown's Wish Magic not it's Ice Magic. The Ice Magic was a result of Dinosaur Gunther wishing to be like Urgence Evergreen so the crown's Ice Magic would actually just scale to latter not the other way around.

Yes that's the exact situation here, Magwod is source of Wish Magic which can destroy a Catalyst Comet, and the Ice Magic is result of Wish Magic, and we see that in F&C the Crown's magic is can power-up an entire universe's magic, both is Low 2-C and both is going to Magwood's dirty eyes. Very nice

He has literally never tanked anything from any of the god tiers. He can't even be physically scaled to the Grass Sword since the one time it was used against him it completely cut of his hand with no effort.

Ah man no, Grass Sword is cursed sword which Finn's most powerful sword. Stated that it can cut everything, it cut The Lich and Orgalorg, it pulled Martin's spaceship at one point and the sword's embodiment, Fern can keep up with Finn, can hurt GOLB monster who fighted two Gumball Guardian at same time, and one of Gumball Guardian was hurt and wrestled with The Lich, there's a nice scaling chain I see here.
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Overall, after all these discussions will comes to end, I will list full of Low 2-C feats here, but we need to solve the problems here first.
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And also, if said something wrong or just hurt anyone, please forgive me, English is not my first language and I don't use translate, so I don't now how do you guys sees my emotions. Peace

 

[MysticBrawler]

G4 is Cosmic Entity, he and Orgalorg scaling each others and both is clearly above normal ooovians for example Finn, Jake, Ice King, Princess B, Marceline etc. I only see scaling chain problem here, nothing about Tier 2 Stuff.

Uh that's my point. Orgalorg only becomes Tier 2 after absorbing the Catalyst Comet, which didn't happen when Grob Gob Glob Grod fought them so there's no reason for the latter to scale to tier 2 Orgalorg.

I don't have problem with that cuz Darren thing was always sounded me kinda iffy, the only problem here is actually the reason of those soldiers get revived they getting a another beam-like thing from Darren, that's the thing they get revived.

My point was that since the soldiers could get revived afterwards this would mean that they're souls still exist so you can't even say that Darren's "wiped from all realities" statement was referring to the Dead Worlds. With that said, his Void Manipulation should be either removed from his profile or just listed as a possibly.

Thanks for that but I don't really understand why you listing as at least High 3-A possibly Low 2-C, that's clearly a Low 2-C thing

Well like I said, there's no way to know if this would affect time since none of the vampires have any time-related abilities, so I don't see how this could get a solid rating.

I didn't find an clip in YouTube, I will use the transcript:

We can see he's the magic source itself, being Universe's (at least a singular Universe) magic source is basically grants him Low 2-C, the magic is Universal in verse which wee see in F&C spin-off, and wizards', elementals' and magic users' magic is not limited on 5-A, Pure Elementals' magic powers can go across galaxies, Magwod, Ice King's Crown's magic and many of other's magic is at least Low 2-C which is I will reply in this answer, Cocontepoi is above these cuz he is the origin of Magic, so there's many Low 2-C reasons here I see

Ok so they're magic has universal range so how does that translate to it scaling to the rest of their stats? Cause like I said earlier to Maniaunavailable the Cosmic Imagination/Magic isn't a UES so even if what you say is true that still wouldn't scale to any of they're physical stats.

Finn is literally survived in center of one of those explosions and the all of Deaths is way above Finn

I think the argument against that was that the explosion only affects the Dead World and not any of the residents, so they aren't actually tanking anything and thus wouldn't scale to it.

Oh that's a very basic of how P.I.S works;






As wee can see, that's just a plot-induced stupidity, outlier. That's a common thing in fiction where gods can kill or hurt by theirs many level below characters, or weapons or something else. That's not a good argument here

Similar with Hunson, that's also P.I.S. But I guess I need to make something clear. The Lich getting destroy by singular sweater is normal cuz we know that The Lich is has weakness against "positive" things. He is getting harm by music which is a "positive" thing, he is getted a body and turned into a baby with Citadel Guardian's blood which is "positive" thing (also the same blood healed Finn's dad leg). Similarly the sweater is "positive" thing cuz it's actually filled by PB's love, that's the reason The Lich can't harmed Finn while he is wearing this sweater. So also this argument is also not a good argument.

The problem with that is Hunson only has 3 major appearances in the series and it's only in his first one that we see him in full power while being nerfed in the other 2, so this is all we have to work with.

Yes, the "phantasmal circuitry" is basically wisher's wish, if no one gonna make a wish, the crown won't work by itself. I don't understand what you pointing with Betty thing

Wrong, it is referring to the literal magic-based circuitry found within the crown which we see when Marceline and Princess Bubblegum enter it.

Let me something clear first, they really scaling each other cuz when the dinosaur gunther waited outside, we clearly can hear that they fighting inside, so they going with together in scaling, especially in physical ways. Also the lava/fire X Ice battles is always happens in verse and peoples are actually scaling each others, especially Ice King and Flame Queen.

Ok, my point still stands though.

Yes that's the exact situation here, Magwod is source of Wish Magic which can destroy a Catalyst Comet, and the Ice Magic is result of Wish Magic, and we see that in F&C the Crown's magic is can power-up an entire universe's magic, both is Low 2-C and both is going to Magwood's dirty eyes. Very nice

Again magic is not a UES so there's no reason for this to physically scale to it.

Ah man no, Grass Sword is cursed sword which Finn's most powerful sword. Stated that it can cut everything, it cut The Lich and Orgalorg, it pulled Martin's spaceship at one point and the sword's embodiment, Fern can keep up with Finn, can hurt GOLB monster who fighted two Gumball Guardian at same time, and one of Gumball Guardian was hurt and wrestled with The Lich, there's a nice scaling chain I see here.

My point still stands which is that The Lich has no reason to physically scale to any of the god tiers since the only one he would directly scale to is Hunson Abadeer(who's powers also don't physically scale to him), and Death (who is High 3-A and also doesn't physically scale to his powers.)

 

[Aolphl]

Uh that's my point. Orgalorg only becomes Tier 2 after absorbing the Catalyst Comet, which didn't happen when Grob Gob Glob Grod fought them so there's no reason for the latter to scale to tier 2 Orgalorg.

Scaling chain issues can solve-able things, cuz scaling chain issues is common problem in Adventure Time profiles, I have large AT revisions plans in future, I will try to fix these

My point was that since the soldiers could get revived afterwards this would mean that they're souls still exist so you can't even say that Darren's "wiped from all realities" statement was referring to the Dead Worlds. With that said, his Void Manipulation should be either removed from his profile or just listed as a possibly.

If a character uses Existence Erasure or Void Manipulation on another character, that's doesn't always needs to ends with erasing someone's soul too, its written on EE page:

This ability's destructive power is not absolute, and one should not assume that it can erase the soul by default.

- Existence Erasure -
But yeah, I said earlier, I agree with that part, also I'm fine with possibly Existence Erasure or possibly Void Manipulation

Well like I said, there's no way to know if this would affect time since none of the vampires have any time-related abilities, so I don't see how this could get a solid rating.

Well, that's Argument from belief, if they says it will destroy Reality and the Reality refers to a universe, if the source is solid then why would say "there's no way to know"

Ok so they're magic has universal range so how does that translate to it scaling to the rest of their stats? Cause like I said earlier to @Maniaunavailable the Cosmic Imagination/Magic isn't a UES so even if what you say is true that still wouldn't scale to any of they're physical stats.

Again magic is not a UES so there's no reason for this to physically scale to it.

Aight aight, magic is accepted as UES here and here. And when Finn becomes a wizard, he gained physical power which is he was able to lift entire village with two other wizard, and very physically weak wizards for example Abracadaniel, can easily survive meteors, so yeah, magic is UES and it's gives you physical stats. I love this verse man

I think the argument against that was that the explosion only affects the Dead World and not any of the residents, so they aren't actually tanking anything and thus wouldn't scale to it.

The Undertakes was trying to survive Finn's parents (Joshua, Margaret and Jermaine) from this explosion, that means these explosions affects residents too

The problem with that is Hunson only has 3 major appearances in the series and it's only in his first one that we see him in full power while being nerfed in the other 2, so this is all we have to work with.

The case is still same, if was Hunson only have 1 major appearance and he still got stabbed, this won't be change something, cuz that is P.I.S, these things always happens in fiction these won't allow in debates

Wrong, it is referring to the literal magic-based circuitry found within the crown which we see when Marceline and Princess Bubblegum enter it.

Like idk this how will changes the case, these gems/eyes the main reason why crown works cuz Evergreen wasn't about to find random thing for put the crown, he was need to Magwood's eyes cuz it was the most powerful thing that he can found, Magwood still protecting his place

Ok, my point still stands though.

Aight I can't do anything for this, but my thoughts is still same

My point still stands which is that The Lich has no reason to physically scale to any of the god tiers since the only one he would directly scale to is Hunson Abadeer(who's powers also don't physically scale to him), and Death (who is High 3-A and also doesn't physically scale to his powers.)

When The Lich first appeared in Mortal Folly, PB gived the Hero Gauntlet to Finn for dealing with The Lich cuz the only weapon was its, which Gauntlet does physical attacks to its opponents. PB equal to Evergreen cuz both is elementals and Evergreen goed one on one with Magwood, if PB can go one on one with The Lich in physical ways she will deal it, but she didn't that. That's means Lich is above the PB and elementals in Physical ways. And Gauntlet is not only a weapon, it a creature which we see in lake scenes, so it's truly a weapon/person/creature can harm The Lich, and The Lich easily destroy that gauntlet, so The Lich above the Elementals, Magwood, the Hero Gauntlet in physical and magical-poweral ways. And above I explained the Death thing, which is The Lich above him too.

 

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Well, that's Argument from belief, if they says it will destroy Reality and the Reality refers to a universe, if the source is solid then why would say "there's no way to know"

That interpretation seems a little too generous for me considering the episode itself just shows the Vampire Essence turning into a cloud monster, so even if that were true I'd still say it's only worth a "Possibly".

Aight aight, magic is accepted as UES here and here. And when Finn becomes a wizard, he gained physical power which is he was able to lift entire village with two other wizard, and very physically weak wizards for example Abracadaniel, can easily survive meteors, so yeah, magic is UES and it's gives you physical stats. I love this verse man

No those aren't UES CRTs. They're at best "Verse-Specific Powers" CRTs since KIngTempest just lists a bunch of abilities that all wizards would share while not mention anything UES related aside from the Cosmic Imagination being the source of all magic. Also no that wasn't physical power. Finn was clearly using a giant energy-hand to try and lift the place so that wouldn't scale to his physicals. Also it was specifically stated by Abracadaniel himself that the reason he survived was because "his body was squishy", and he clearly didn't use magic to make his body soft since he got hit before he could cast any spell.

The Undertakes was trying to survive Finn's parents (Joshua, Margaret and Jermaine) from this explosion, that means these explosions affects residents too

No they were just trying to escape the Dead World since it's destruction would leave them with nothing to stand on, and thus resulting in them falling into the void. Anyway I don't think this CRT is the right place to have this discussion as who did or didn't tank the explosion isn't really relevant to my point.

The case is still same, if was Hunson only have 1 major appearance and he still got stabbed, this won't be change something, cuz that is P.I.S, these things always happens in fiction these won't allow in debates

If that's the case then that wouldn't that mean that all of his stats(aside from his AP) should just be listed as unknown since he doesn't have anything to scale to?

Like idk this how will changes the case, these gems/eyes the main reason why crown works cuz Evergreen wasn't about to find random thing for put the crown, he was need to Magwood's eyes cuz it was the most powerful thing that he can found, Magwood still protecting his place

My point still stands as like I said above those CRTs you listed aren't UES CRTs so the Magwood still wouldn't physically scale here.

When The Lich first appeared in Mortal Folly, PB gived the Hero Gauntlet to Finn for dealing with The Lich cuz the only weapon was its, which Gauntlet does physical attacks to its opponents. PB equal to Evergreen cuz both is elementals and Evergreen goed one on one with Magwood, if PB can go one on one with The Lich in physical ways she will deal it, but she didn't that. That's means Lich is above the PB and elementals in Physical ways. And Gauntlet is not only a weapon, it a creature which we see in lake scenes, so it's truly a weapon/person/creature can harm The Lich, and The Lich easily destroy that gauntlet, so The Lich above the Elementals, Magwood, the Hero Gauntlet in physical and magical-poweral ways. And above I explained the Death thing, which is The Lich above him too.

Uh no, Princess Bubblegum had no knowledge regarding Elementals at that point in the show, which is why she was surprised when Patience St.Pim showed her that she had powers, and she's clearly disinterested in magic so there's no reason to assume that she would know anything about how the Crown was made so her word can't be used as evidence here.

 

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