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Mid-High to High Regenerationn

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Mid-High: The ability to regenerate from being reduced to ash, dust, smoke, or vapor.


High: The ability to regenerate from scattered or lone molecules, atoms, particles, or even pure energy.

Vaporization in science is generally regarded as separating all atoms within a molecule of water (two hydrogen atoms, one oxygen atom).

From Wikipedia:

"At the moment of a large enough meteor or comet impact, bolide detonation, a nuclear fission, thermonuclear fusion, or theoretical antimatter weapon detonation, a flux of so many gamma ray, x-ray, ultraviolet, visual light and heat photons strikes matter in a such brief amount of time (a great number of high-energy photons, many overlapping in the same physical space) that all molecules lose their atomic bonds and "fly apart". All atoms lose their electron shells and become positively charged ions, in turn emitting photons of a slightly lower energy than they had absorbed. All such matter becomes a gas of nuclei and electrons which rise into the air due to the extremely high temperature or bond to each other as they cool. The matter vaporized this way is immediately a plasma in a state of maximum entropy and this state steadily reduces via the factor of passing time due to natural processes in the biosphere and the effects of physics at normal temperatures and pressures."

So by these definitions, isn't someone who has truly been vaporized, turned into plasma, or higher a candidate for high Regenerationn, not mid-high, since the bonds between molecules and the composition of atoms have been destroyed/rearranged?

"Plasma is an ionized gas. You likely know about protons, neutrons, and electron's. If you remove the atoms in a gas of their electrons, which can be done by heating it up a lot, the electrons will have enough energy to leave the atoms. There can be no molecules in a plasma. Molecules rely on electrons to maintain bonds between atoms, and this cannot happen if the electrons are not held by the atoms."
 
I am not sure. Sorry. Perhaps some of the calc group members are able to help out.
 
Welp, yes I think is right, when molecules lose cohetion the material melts, and when the atoms lose cohetion the material subliminate. Although, I think that High Regen refer to regenarate from an atom, aka more atoms are created from a single/few one(s).
 
Sorry, creating more atoms/molecules from individual ones. Is like the difference between assemble a lost limb and regenerate a new one from the injury.
 
Hmm. Perhaps we need to better clarify the difference between Mid-High and High Regenerationn then.

Do you have any suggestions Antoniofer?
 
Hmm, maybe reserve High to those that can recreate themself at molecular/atomic level, meanwhile those that can only reform wouldn't surpass Mid-High.
 
What level of destruction would mid high be described as btw? Considering low high is supposed to go up to cellular level.
 
@Antoniofer

That might be an idea, yes. Perhaps we could simply edit the text to read "High: The ability to regenerate from scattered or lone atoms, particles, or even pure energy." instead?
 
Honestly Low-High being cellular is dumb. There is a huge difference between a puddle or a drop of blood and a cell. Especially since I'm pretty sure that individual bits of dust/ash/whatever tend to be bigger than cells.

Regading the topic of the thread itself, I think that just removing "vapor" under the list would work. Or at least specificy that this is only in term of scale of damage and doesn't take into account all the molecular rebuilding stuff.
 
@Saikou

Hmm. It seems like we may have to adjust that as well then.
 
At what level one can regenerate in quite of irrelevant tho, most users of the power do it at cellular level, what the page measure is "at what level of damage the regen still active and avoid death". That's only relevant at the moment of determinate what power can bypass it: heat and cold generally nullified cellular level regen, melting bypass molecular level and evaporation bypass atomic level (molecular and tomic regen can also recover from transmutation effects).
 
Antvasima said:
Perhaps we could simply edit the text to read "High: The ability to regenerate from scattered or lone atoms, particles, or even pure energy." instead?
Is this acceptable?
 
With that description then regenerate from sublimination and ionization would be considered High as they are scattered atoms.
 
@Antoniofer

Yes. Is that a problem?
 
Not really a problem, but I though people didn't want to involve reforming from gas as High Regen.
 
Okay. What do the rest of you think?
 
Reforming from gas doesn't seem to necessarily imply Regen per se as it could be chalk up to Energy Manipulation and stuff if we have to consider to using science here I think.

After all, this does dwell into the realm of science and Saikou does have a point about the dust one anyway.
 
Well we are all composed of atoms and smaller particles but past the molecular level we stop being biology and start being physics. Being turned into a gas from my understanding means your molecules are still intact but they just have a lot more space in between them. Beyond that your molecules are damaged or destroyed and atoms start losing electrons and such, which Regenerationn on that level is still Regenerationn but also a type of matter manipulation.
 
@Call

That is incorrect regarding on what we are made up of though as we made out of cells as the human body contains red blood cells, white blood cells, and other cells. Basic biology is what I mean anyway.
 
@HammerStrikes219, regarding @Call, I think he is correct. True, we made of cells but the implication of Mid-High to High Regenerationn required completed molecular changes or lower changes; otherwise, the Regenerationn range would be at best Low-High.
 
So, are we going to upgrade anyone that can regen from vapor/gas, or we change standards? Those who regen at molecular level can remake themself from being completely melted, and at atomic level they can remake from gas.
 
I am not sure. Perhaps you can ask DontTalkDT, Promestein, and some knowledgeable administrators to comment here?
 
@Antvasima, I contacted @DontTalkDT, @Promestein, @Assaltwaffle, and @Darkanine to give their evaluations here.
 
I would also take the difference between mid-high and high to be that a mid-high character can at most reassemble himself after being turned into a gas, while a High character can even regenrate if all its original matter except a few molecules were lost.
 
@Dont

Saikou The Lewd King said:
Honestly Low-High being cellular is dumb. There is a huge difference between a puddle or a drop of blood and a cell. Especially since I'm pretty sure that individual bits of dust/ash/whatever tend to be bigger than cells.
What do you think about this?
 
If one is properly turned to ash or dust all cells will have been destroyed. The border between Low-High and Mid-High is hence the limit of biological Regenerationn. I think the distinction is meaningful as is.
 
I agree with @DontTalkDT on the biological distinction.
 
So what, if anything, needs to be changed?
 
I'm inclined to agree with DT here
 
Yeah, I agee in that High seems to be more the style of "from pure energy" or "from a single atom" or something.
 
Does somebody have any concrete suggestions regarding how the reword the descriptions according to DontTalkDT's specifications? Or is it unnecessary to change them at all?
 
Well we all agree that past low-high we start dealing more with physics than biology, but the point I was originally trying to make is that being vaporized should be rated higher than what it is.
 
Callsign Castle said:
Well we all agree that past low-high we start dealing more with physics than biology, but the point I was originally trying to make is that being vaporized should be rated higher than what it is.
I think by definition Vaporization would be High Regenerationn from the Op.
 
Antvasima said:
Does somebody have any concrete suggestions regarding how the reword the descriptions according to DontTalkDT's specifications? Or is it unnecessary to change them at all?
I don't know if everyone agrees with my opinion, but I would think what could be changed is the wording of "high", to someting like:

"The ability to regenerate from lone molecules or atoms, when the rest of the bodies matter was completly erased as opposed to just dispersed, or from subatomic particles or even pure energy."
 
DT's suggestion seems fine, but more than a few pages would have to be changed, then, and I think Mid-High should be changed too.
 
Promestein said:
DT's suggestion seems fine, but more than a few pages would have to be changed, then, and I think Mid-High should be changed too.
I agree. Mid-High definition should be focused on the molecular distinction of Regenerationn.
 
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