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High Godly for Necati (Kral Şakir)

ShionAH

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A little something I remembered, that was like I think rejected before but I dont see why its not accepted.

Necati exists as an Idea, and we see that he can literally recreate himself after being destroyed by Canan and forcefully put himself back into the Ideas



I can make better arguments if needed, but I think its pretty straight forward
 
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ShionAH said:
Necati exists as an Idea, and we see that he can literally recreate himself after being destroyed by Canan and forcefully put himself back into the Ideas
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That "Necati" is an imagination of Canan rather than the real one. Her imagination of Necati interrupts her. That's all.
 
MrTayman616 said:
That "Necati" is an imagination of Canan rather than the real one. Her imagination of Necati interrupts her. That's all.
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I already had many arguments on this, no Necati is an actual idea here. He can even affect reality and act independantly.

Also ur Turkish?
 
Despite having watched the video, I can't really comment on this since I'm not Turkish nor am I well-versed in the language (I don't know anything from it).
 
ShionAH said:
I already had many arguments on this, no Necati is an actual idea here. He can even affect reality and act independantly.
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That would be an ability for Canan, not Necati. and it wouldn't be something like Godly regen or Conceptual Nonexistence.

The original one has nothing to do with this. Canan's imagination of "Necati" is the one doing it.
 
Flashlight237 said:
Despite having watched the video, I can't really comment on this since I'm not Turkish nor am I well-versed in the language (I don't know anything from it).
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I can translate the video for you, plus there is subtitles which are very generally accurate

8:40

Canan "Why am I even listening to Necati?" Erases Necati

8:48

Necati: "My turn! My turn! Throw me too!"
Canan: "Necati you are not real/you don't exist, just a idea/dream"
Necati: "Come on! Just try!"
MrTayman616 said:
The original one has nothing to do with this.
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He literally appears in thoughts he isn't supposed to be in, comments on "how he got inside the idea" literally affects the physical world from within the idea.

There was an attempted downgrade which got rejected, so its accepted this way. Stop further derailing.
 
"Character doing a silly ass feat like brushing aside a thought, something that a lot of cartoon characters do.

High-godly regen"

Can't comment on the high-godly regen since it seems silly to me and I have no clue how we decide this.

As for the NEP, the "You don't exist Necati" seems more along the fact that he's an idea or smth instead of being "conceptually nonexistent". I'd imagine that requires WAY more feats and statements, instead of this small amount of evidence we got. Can't even see a possibly here, ngl.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
As for the NEP, the "You don't exist Necati" seems more along the fact that he's an idea or smth instead of being "conceptually nonexistent". I'd imagine that requires WAY more feats and statements, instead of this small amount of evidence we got. Can't even see a possibly here, ngl.
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Btw I am not sure on what type of aspect or type that statement would be, I am fine with a weaker version of NEP if anyone has any suggestions.
Rikimarox2 said:
Can't comment on the high-godly regen since it seems silly to me
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This the cartoon where they literally call time to pull a prank on Necati, we need to be a lil silly
 
ShionAH said:
I can translate the video for you, plus there is subtitles which are very generally accurate

8:40

Canan "Why am I even listening to Necati?" Erases Necati

8:48

Necati: "My turn! My turn! Throw me too!"
Canan: "Necati you are not real/you don't exist, just a idea/dream"
Necati: "Come on! Just try!"

He literally appears in thoughts he isn't supposed to be in, comments on "how he got inside the idea" literally affects the physical world from within the idea.

There was an attempted downgrade which got rejected, so its accepted this way. Stop further derailing.
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That's not it at all. Canan thinks of herself "What would Necati do".

It's Canan's thought process. Not the real Necati.

Canan imagines "What Necati would do". She dismisses it as her imagination of Necati didn't give any good advice at all.

Then her imagination of Necati pops out itself. It's not the real one that exists like that, nor anything related. No reason to give him these abilities.

This would give Canan some abilities at best. She's not a character in the wiki though
 
ShionAH said:
Btw I am not sure on what type of aspect or type that statement would be, I am fine with a weaker version of NEP if anyone has any suggestions.
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I'm honestly suggesting just not noting it. It isn't actual NEP, since the character is an Idea, therefore he doesn't exist. Otherwise we'd give NEP to every AE1 ever since they exist as abstractions and not actual, physical things.

In other words, the statement is more metaphorical, ie physically, he doesn't really exist, since he doesn't have a "body".
ShionAH said:
This the cartoon where they literally call time to pull a prank on Necati, we need to be a lil silly
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I understand we have to become a bit more lenient/silly since it is a cartoon that doesn't try to make sense of itself, but even then, giving higher-tiered abilities like High-Godly Regen based on these statement just seems too much, even if we try to go along with the flow of the show. Though I'd wait for staff to decide, since I'm not sure about our standards with cartoons, but till then, I disagree with the HGR and NEP.
 
ShionAH said:
We already know the Idea Necati we see is always him and yes he actually does exist as an abstract entity since he quite literally says he "came into the thought" and can affect reality BY LITERALLY EXTENDING HIS ARM, I literally showed proof of this. All your arguments were used here, stop derailing.

Hell Necati can literally bring OTHERS into ideas
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You showed proof what? Canan's imagination of Necati affects reality is not a feat for Necati. It would be for Canan.

After these things happen while their physical body are not there, do they have knowledge of these things happening?
 
MrTayman616 said:
Do they have knowledge of these things happening?
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Yes, I wont respond further since you are just derailing the thread. Previous downgrades were rejected and quite frankly they had better arguments than you
 
ShionAH said:
Yes, I wont respond further since you are just derailing the thread. Previous downgrades were rejected and quite frankly they had better arguments than you
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I'm sorry i didn't say "i agree" without asking the obvious quesitons.

Also this video is not about it at all. How can you say that Necati has such powerful haxes and existence rather than the characters who has these imaginations have a powerful imagination ability which is basic and common cartoon ability that makes sense here as well?

Does Necati know he's an idea? i mean the real one. not the one they imagine. Or does he do a comment about it? Is he aware of things that happen while they imagine about him?

Things you showed just shows that their imagination affects reality and acts like the characters.
 
He literally can bring others into ideas, has shown being able to put others inside his ideas, aware that he exists as an idea and more. He literalyy talks to Remzi wit this iirc

I am annoyed since all your questions are answered and its not even the point of the thread, this is about the coming back and nep not ae as a whole
 
ShionAH said:
aware that he exists as an idea and more
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He's not. Şakir's imagiation of Necati knows it's an imagination =/= The real Necati is aware he's an idea, remembers and learn things even when people imagine about him. Şakir thinks of how they'd act.

If Necati said something like "Remember when you were thinking about me, i did that to you" or something similar, it would be reasonable to think Real Necati can have "Nonexistent Physiology". but not in this case.

Anyway, if it's accepted like that, won't do anything about it.
 
Fact that he can enter ideas forcefully, affect reality and even bring others into the idea if he wills it to imo is enough to say it is Necati doing it. Especially since others dont have any other SR feat

Anyways lets get back on topic please, I can see counter arguments but I still wanna try my chances with these
 
In the first clip, Necati appears as an idea next to Canan and interacts with her. He exists merely as an idea and annoys Canan with his actions.

Canan tells him "You are not real" because at that moment Necati is not physically present but rather an abstraction. I don't think this is NEP at all.


ShionAH said:
He literally appears in thoughts he isn't supposed to be in, comments on "how he got inside the idea" literally affects the physical world from within the idea.
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In the second clip, while Şakir is thinking about class, Necati suddenly enters the scene. Appears in Şakir's thought bubble, interacts with him, and even affects the physical world despite still being an idea within the thought bubble.

ShionAH said:
Hell Necati can literally bring OTHERS into ideas
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In the this one, Necati abruptly jumps into Şakir's thoughts, annoys Mirket (which is also a thought), claims that he will bring someone else into Şakir's imagination and then, he actually brings that person there. He seems to know what hes doing very well.

He clearly seems to act independently and jumps into people's thoughts. Idk why he needs to confirm his acts as a thought while he is in physical form. Considering he also pretty often breaks the fourth wall.
 
I did not know that this cartoon is in VSBW and I thought that only Arabs are following it (I neutral and tend to agree)
 
Agree with regen, even if only abstract necati should have it, disagree with NEP because uh...It is obvious that he is refering that necati doesn't exist physically, instead of quite literally not existing.
 
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