High 6-C Fire and Cold Tournament 2022: (FINALE) Meliodas vs Grimgor Ironhide

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

hmm, then why is he 5C?
So his amps put him at planet lvl AP and dura?

EDIT

6C*

He isn't 5-C and no his amps don't put him at planet lvl AP and Dura as far as i'm aware

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

This fight depends on AP and Skill and Stamina

 

[speedster352]

So this will be a physical fist fight, interesting lol both are pretty strong physically

Meliodas has trillion dark and RC

 

[VsReferee]

He isn't 5-C and no his amps don't put him at planet lvl AP and Dura as far as i'm aware

I meant 6-C

can someone explain his amps and skill?

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Wait for DaReaperMan he's offline rn dunno what time he's gonna be online

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Aethyr Manipulation

As Volans, the first Patriarch of the Colleges of Magic so aptly sums it up, the Aethyr is the Void, the final element of existence - the intangible element that has no visible or quantifiable form in it's own right. It has no dimension, mass or volume yet is still everywhere. It has no...

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[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Now that you've mentioned it it doesn't have scans or a reference

 

[Rabbit2002]

Meliodas has trillion dark and RC

How can trillion darkness work on Grimgor when his durability is 510 gigatons ?

 

[speedster352]

How can trillion darkness work on Grimgor when his durability is 510 gigatons ?

It can work it’s just 2x stronger and Meliodas scales above the 200 gigaton feat. Also Meliodas can FC his attacks multiple times

 

[speedster352]

Resistance Negation is the ability to remove an opponent's ability to resist certain effects, allowing the user to then affect them with those abilities. In extreme cases, this ability can even override apparent immunity
Meliodas has resistance negation for deconstruction, hellblaze and darkness. Also darkness powernull is layered.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

It can work it’s just 2x stronger and Meliodas scales above the 200 gigaton feat. Also Meliodas can FC his attacks multiple times

His going to do Physical attacks not magical when i mean physical H2H combat since he resist all of meliodas' hax and trillion dark scales above 200 giga to an unknown degree so it still wouldn't work

 

[speedster352]

Nope it's layered resitance negation Ark decon<high ranking demon, domain of god decon< 2c Esstarossa resitance< Higher ranking demons resistance<Zeldris and Meliodas reistance<Demon king<True magic rsitance negation

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Resistance Negation is the ability to remove an opponent's ability to resist certain effects, allowing the user to then affect them with those abilities. In extreme cases, this ability can even override apparent immunity
Meliodas has resistance negation for deconstruction, hellblaze and darkness. Also darkness powernull is layered.

Prove that it's layered, also even if it's layered Grimgor has resistance to resistance negation and all of mels hax on a 5-D level so he can't neg the resistance of Grimgor

 

[speedster352]

His going to do Physical attacks not magical when i mean physical H2H combat since he resist all of meliodas' hax and trillion dark scales above 200 giga to an unknown degree so it still wouldn't work

Darkness is not magic and Meliodas can FC his attacks or use RC

 

[Rabbit2002]

Nope it's layered resitance negation Ark decon<high ranking demon, domain of god decon< 2c Esstarossa resitance< Higher ranking demons resistance<Zeldris and Meliodas reistance<Demon king<True magic rsitance negation

That dude has resist 5D hax

 

[speedster352]

Nope it's layered resitance negation Ark decon<high ranking demon, domain of god decon< 2c Esstarossa resitance< Higher ranking demons resistance<Zeldris and Meliodas reistance<Demon king<True magic resistance negation

Prove that it's layered, also even if it's layered Grimgor has resistance to resistance negation and all of mels hax on a 5-D level so he can't neg the resistance of Grimgor

Here that’s what resistance negation is read it.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Nope it's layered resitance negation Ark decon<high ranking demon, domain of god decon< 2c Esstarossa resitance< Higher ranking demons resistance<Zeldris and Meliodas reistance<Demon king<True magic rsitance negation

Stop getting an Layered shit out of nowhere this wasn't even probably discussed properly and you just said this thing thinking it would help him prove it's Layered or don't use it

 

[speedster352]

Darkness is physical so trillion dark can work and Meliodas can spin it around himself for offense and defence

Stop getting an Layered shit out of nowhere this wasn't even probably discussed properly and you just said this thing thinking it would help him prove it's Layered or don't use it

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Here that’s what resistance negation is read it.

Did you really read what i said he can't resistance neg since he has resistance to resistance neg and at a 5-D level s

 

[speedster352]

Stop getting an Layered shit out of nowhere this wasn't even probably discussed properly and you just said this thing thinking it would help him prove it's Layered or don't use it

Too bad read This

 

[Naito-desu]

Too bad read This

If there's no proof of it working against 5D Resistances, we shouldn't presume it works

 

[speedster352]

Did you really read what i said he can't resistance neg since he has resistance to resistance neg and at a 5-D level s

Fine Meliodas can win this with hellblaze, trillion dark, clones and darkness.

 

[Rabbit2002]

Give up Speed, meli can't win this match, unless you can prove meli hax low 1C

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Darkness is physical so trillion dark can work and Meliodas can spin it around himself for offense and defence

And? Grimgor scales to 510 gigatons

Too bad read This

Do you know how to read? He has RESISTANCE TO RESISTANCE NEGATION you're just basically stone walling now and repeating argument that has been debunked many times

 

[speedster352]

If there's no proof of it working against 5D Resistances, we shouldn't presume it works

I concede then so that resistance is for deconstruction right? Any scans? Also Meliodas can grab him he has the superior LS.

 

[Naito-desu]

This page is the personification of "Bro trust me"

This is the page that goes into more detail plus the spells are scattered throughout different Army Books and resources, so it'd be a pain the ass to just scan them all for the sake of this. But if yall want some references to verify:

1. Warhammer Fantasy Battles 8th Edition
2. Warhammer Fantasy Battles 7th Edition
3. Warhammer Fantasy Battles 6th Edition
4. Warhammer Fantasy Battles 5th Edition
5. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd Edition
   1. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd Edition: Tome of Corruption
   2. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd Edition: Tome of Salvation
   3. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd Edition: Realm of the Ice Queen
6. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 4th Edition

This isn't really including all the Army Books, older editions and other RPG supplements

 

[speedster352]

Give up Speed, meli can't win this match, unless you can prove meli hax low 1C

Meliodas can win this with physical attacks and darkness which is physical and can use hellblaze and can FC his attacks to do damage

 

[speedster352]

This is the page that goes into more detail plus the spells are scattered throughout different Army Books and resources, so it'd be a pain the ass to just scan them all for the sake of this. But if yall want some references to verify:

1. Warhammer Fantasy Battles 8th Edition
2. Warhammer Fantasy Battles 7th Edition
3. Warhammer Fantasy Battles 6th Edition
4. Warhammer Fantasy Battles 5th Edition
5. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd Edition
   1. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd Edition: Tome of Corruption
   2. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd Edition: Tome of Salvation
   3. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 2nd Edition: Realm of the Ice Queen
6. Warhammer Fantasy RPG 4th Edition

This isn't really including all the Army Books, older editions and other RPG supplements

What are grims resistances?

 

[VsReferee]

Where dod I find the gig numbers for Meliodas? I only find 6-C for example

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Meliodas can win this with physical attacks and darkness which is physical and can use hellblaze and can FC his attacks to do damage

Hellblaze can't do a single shit same as FC since all of Grimgor's attack is Physical and probably by fist

 

[speedster352]

Hellblaze can't do a single shit same as FC since all of Grimgor's attack is Physical and probably by fist

Why won’t hellblaze work? I said Meliodas can FC his own attacks to do damage to grim.

 

[VsReferee]

Why won’t hellblaze work? I said Meliodas can FC his own attacks to do damage to grim.

No, hax won't work. Dude has risistance against hax

 

[speedster352]

Hellblaze can't do a single shit same as FC since all of Grimgor's attack is Physical and probably by fist

He has no resistance to hell fire and hellblaze has resistance negation for those immune to regular fire

 

[VsReferee]

Did you really read what i said he can't resistance neg since he has resistance to resistance neg and at a 5-D level s

But where do I find those gig numbers?

 

[speedster352]

Hellblaze can't do a single shit same as FC since all of Grimgor's attack is Physical and probably by fist

Explain this We only use what’s on their profiles. Resistance to the following: Aethyr Manipulation(Through his talisman, Mork watches over Grimgor and protects him from enemy spells.), Pain Manipulation (Like all Orcs, Grimgor is highly resistant to pain, as a Black Orc, he is particularly even more resilient due to the extreme torture and training of the Chaos Dwarfs), Fear Manipulation (Like all Black Orcs, Grimgor is hardened, cowardice long stamped out and replaced only with a need for war), Ice Manipulation (Resisted the blizzard of the Katarin the Ice Queen), Causality Manipulation/Matter Manipulation/Physics Manipulation/Conceptual Manipulation/Law Manipulation/Reality Warping (Able to contain the massive amount of Aethyr required to become an incarnate without losing his form. Aethyr in high concentrations causes Matter, Reality, Concepts, Causality and Laws to break down as it does in the Realm of Chaos) as well as Chaos Manipulation/Empathic Manipulation/Corruption/Transmutation/Madness Manipulation/Possession/Soul Manipulationand Mind Manipulation (They are also immune to the Corrupting, Mutating, Ensnaring, Maddening, possessing and Soul stealing nature of the power of Chaos that is Aethyr), (All the possible Incarnates are resistant to this) | As before but massively enhanced

 

[VsReferee]

I would only debate hax if it is connected to AP? otherwise it would be useless indeed

 

[Naito-desu]

Grimgor's resistances encompass everything also in the Aethyr Manipulation page, you cannot ignore that for this debate

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

But where do I find those gig numbers?

Check the verse page if it's not there it's probably on some scaling thread

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Teory

Speed is a troll

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Where dod I find the gig numbers for Meliodas? I only find 6-C for example

He resist this

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