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All of you knew this day would eventually come. I've watched the movie and I can't help but disagree with the rating now that I know the context behind this.
At first I attempted to discuss about the canonicity of the movie itself after getting some arguments from an user who said that it made no sense to have it as canon, but outside a few inconsistencies in the characters' designs where some of them having their X784 designs despite this supposedly took place after the GMG. And the 100YQ chapter can't be debunked if besto character Momon appears in it.
Instead, I'll talk about the feat itself, because I found a few reasons to believe this can't be used for scaling.
Debating about the Phoenix's power
The old men were debating about the Phoenix's power based on what they knew about it.
They knew that the Phoenix obliterated two mountains. Well, that's certainly impressive, but nowhere near enough to Multi-Continental power as far as I know. I suppose that even assuming vaporization you wouldn't get such potency.
They also said that they have reasons to believe that was only a small fraction of its power. Then they proceeded to compare it to Zeref's power by assuming they should both be comparable. But the prpoblem is that they don't know the actual extent of the Phoenix's power at all. They are just guesstimating they should be comparable because the Phoenix obliterated two mountains only, with no clear evidence of it being X times more powerful. In fact, the wizard said that they have reasons to believe it's more powerful, but they aren't sure of that at all.
The Phoenix's power
The feat by itself is also dubious. First of all, the Phoenix started absorbing magic power, according to Eclair, from all living things. Whether or not it did this on a global scale or not, it's quite clear that it couldn't do this by itself. Otherwise, it'd have do it from the beginning.
You can see that people like Happy, Charle, Lucy and even Mirajane feels the magic draining. Lucy and Charle felt weaker, Laxus noticed the draining almost instantly and Mirajane shook her body while flying.
Even if you argue that the amount of magic power the Phoenix absorbed isn't enough to give High 6-A energy, considering the characters were 7-B at the time, there's also the fact that it not only absorbed energy from the enviroment (as I said before, possibly on a global scale) but it also did it stupidly over-time. It took like 3 minutes to reach the power calculated in the blog, and Eclair who was connected to the Phoenix and knew about him more than most people, said that it was gathering the magic power to destroy the world. Why would the Phoenix do that if it can do it by itself?
The amount of time the Phoenix needed to perform such feat is als a problem. The charge time suggests that it can't perform High 6-A levels of energy by itself, which makes sense considering the Phoenix was trying to die and resurrect.
Conclusions
The High 6-A feat shouldn't be usable.
Note: I probably won't be able to connect to the wiki for some hours, so don't burn this thread, please. Be civil about it.
At first I attempted to discuss about the canonicity of the movie itself after getting some arguments from an user who said that it made no sense to have it as canon, but outside a few inconsistencies in the characters' designs where some of them having their X784 designs despite this supposedly took place after the GMG. And the 100YQ chapter can't be debunked if besto character Momon appears in it.
Instead, I'll talk about the feat itself, because I found a few reasons to believe this can't be used for scaling.
Debating about the Phoenix's power
The old men were debating about the Phoenix's power based on what they knew about it.
They knew that the Phoenix obliterated two mountains. Well, that's certainly impressive, but nowhere near enough to Multi-Continental power as far as I know. I suppose that even assuming vaporization you wouldn't get such potency.
They also said that they have reasons to believe that was only a small fraction of its power. Then they proceeded to compare it to Zeref's power by assuming they should both be comparable. But the prpoblem is that they don't know the actual extent of the Phoenix's power at all. They are just guesstimating they should be comparable because the Phoenix obliterated two mountains only, with no clear evidence of it being X times more powerful. In fact, the wizard said that they have reasons to believe it's more powerful, but they aren't sure of that at all.
The Phoenix's power
The feat by itself is also dubious. First of all, the Phoenix started absorbing magic power, according to Eclair, from all living things. Whether or not it did this on a global scale or not, it's quite clear that it couldn't do this by itself. Otherwise, it'd have do it from the beginning.
You can see that people like Happy, Charle, Lucy and even Mirajane feels the magic draining. Lucy and Charle felt weaker, Laxus noticed the draining almost instantly and Mirajane shook her body while flying.
Even if you argue that the amount of magic power the Phoenix absorbed isn't enough to give High 6-A energy, considering the characters were 7-B at the time, there's also the fact that it not only absorbed energy from the enviroment (as I said before, possibly on a global scale) but it also did it stupidly over-time. It took like 3 minutes to reach the power calculated in the blog, and Eclair who was connected to the Phoenix and knew about him more than most people, said that it was gathering the magic power to destroy the world. Why would the Phoenix do that if it can do it by itself?
The amount of time the Phoenix needed to perform such feat is als a problem. The charge time suggests that it can't perform High 6-A levels of energy by itself, which makes sense considering the Phoenix was trying to die and resurrect.
Conclusions
The High 6-A feat shouldn't be usable.
- The feat took from 2-3 minutes (I got lost while watching it so I'm not sure).
- The Phoenix used more than his own power to create it.
- The evidence used to scale Zeref is flawed and it wasn't complete when this was discussed before.
Note: I probably won't be able to connect to the wiki for some hours, so don't burn this thread, please. Be civil about it.
