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1-A, possibly High 1-A Franklin Richards Upgrade Thread

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Whelp. This was a long time coming. The following is a list of feats I gathered about Franklin. I figured these would be more than enough for an upgrade: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:PrincessofGods/FRUpgrade
  • He was shown overpowering an amped Mephisto (Fantastic Four #277), the very same Mephisto who was blatantly overpowering Doctor Strange in a contest of ability (This all happened in the issue in parentheses)
  • Consistently referred to as the most powerful mutant of all time (Power Pack #36, X-Man #19, X-Men Unlimited #14, Heroes Reborn: The Return #1 for having powers unprecedented in humanity's history and stating humanity reaching it's pinnacle in Franklin, Fantastic Four #600 explicitly stating him as being the most powerful mutant, History of the Marvel Universe Vol 2 #3 confirmed by a Galactus who is aware of all of Marvel's history that he's the most powerful mutant ever born, Fantastic Four Vol 6 #20 stating a severely weakened Franklin is still the most powerful boy in the Multiverse. X-Men/Fantastic Four Vol 2 issue 4 being stated to be Krakoa's greatest mutant by Doom
  • The Cormorant stating that it didn't believe anything on this plane of existence had the ability to even remotely challenge it until Franklin tried it with the very last embers of his power. (Fantastic Four Vol 6 #25)
  • Roma described him as capable of reshaping the entire Cosmos and capable of destroying Everything (Fantastic Four Vol 3 issue 7) . Roma is aware of an High 1-A Cosmology considering the Otherworld she observes and the fact the exact same issues this statement comes from has it stated that Roma watches every level of the Ominverse (Either Fantastic Four Vol 3 #7 or #8, in the same event as the prior mentioned #7) . As a result, the context of Cosmos would refer to the entirety of it as well, as it'd make no sense for Franklin to be capable of only shaping lesser than that if Roma is hyping him up as capable of destroying everything in her view.
  • Stated to be a threat to every plane of existence (Fantastic Four #365).
  • Harmed Nightmare as well as Phoenix Force Rachel, as well as defeating Phoenix Force Rachel (Excalibur #29). Phoenix Force Rachel has shown a multitude of absurd feats during the Excalibur run, varying from 1-A to High 1-A due to scaling to the Otherworld, a High 1-A Structure.
  • Even way before the Heroes Reborn his powers were consistently referred to as a threat to the timeline. (Fantastic Four #375, #376) . During Fantastic Four #375, Franklin and Agatha were doing battle across the full gamut of reality, implying Franklin's raw power and range reaches that high despite it being stated in these very issues that his powers grow geometrically every moment.


So, because of this, I believe a "1-A, possibly High 1-A" is necessary for him.
 
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Thank you for the feedback !

Oh. Also. A proposal I've been meaning to do for a long time: Franklin should be a smurf regardless. What I mean by that is that he isn't automatically 1-A/High 1-A. He's like Molecule Man in the sense he's just a regular human who just so happens to be able to tap into his power to perform impressive feats. Plus, the only times he's ever amped his physical stats to that level was during Hickman's Run and Fantastic Four Volume 6 when he fought that Other-Dimensional Entity briefly.
 
Fair enough point. Changed.

Unfortunately It's treated as a different continuity. I definitely would've mentioned Daydreamer in my blog if it was still part of the same continuity.
 
Should be at the very least comparable to a normal Onslaught
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Why?

This is insane because Phoenix Force Rachel's feats in Excalibur are nothing short of utterly absurd, easily universal abstract level at the very low-end.
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Uh, scans, references or anything to actually quantify this would be nice?

and could harm the Cormorant, who should scale above the Zero Force
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Again, provide scans and/or references (preferably both), and an explanation as to why this matters. Also, “should scale above” is not a valid reason to scale without an actual reason.

In general, there’s a lot of feats listed in the sandbox that don’t have scans attached to them. Normally, I’d say just references should be fine, but since this is a Tier 1 profile, both would be preferable.
 
LordTracer said:
Why?


Uh, scans, references or anything to actually quantify this would be nice?


Again, provide scans and/or references (preferably both), and an explanation as to why this matters. Also, “should scale above” is not a valid reason to scale without an actual reason.

In general, there’s a lot of feats listed in the sandbox that don’t have scans attached to them. Normally, I’d say just references should be fine, but since this is a Tier 1 profile, both would be preferable.
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Okay, I'll deal with that when I have time. What about everything that actually is sourced in the Sandbox ?
 
The arguments and claims holds up to the proposed stats, but each of them needs to be substantiated with scans
 
Referenced comic book issue numbers are also required of course. 🙏
 
A good chunk of those have feats in the blog or state where they are coming from, but for those that don't , when I'm not ridiculously busy I'll gather them.
 
LordTracer said:
That’s the same sandbox that’s in the OP, and it doesn’t seem to have changed since this thread was created.
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My bad then. I did not remember noticing it earlier. 🙏
 
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