ShionAH
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Disagree. First of all this makes it likely and theres also the big possibility it might be EE so it should be unknown.
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High 3-A downgrade Anos
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I prefer the latter.
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The idea is, nothing contradicts the statement within the setting, so why take it as false? It has very few showings of AP, but none of which negate the statement
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Those few AP feats with the sword are nowhere near the level you are suggesting to give it.
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Yes, but they don’t contradict the statement, so “possibly” is fine.
ShionAH
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No it is too vague. Unknown until further proof
ShionAH
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Its like less than %33 thats not on the “possibly” side thata more on the Unknown side.
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Geez, you consider this vague? Where did the idea that the sword is carried by EE come from, again?
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I’d put it at around 50%, using this completely arbitrary numbering funny you just did
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ShionAH
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Because it has EE so it means it might have just used EE
No. This thread made it 50 but the EE thing makes it a 33.
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Can I see the EE scan rq?
ShionAH
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I think it should be:
Unknown with <Venuzdonoa> (Venuzdonoa is the destroyer of anything in all of existence. Be it providence, fate, or a miracle, all bows down before it and disappears. No matter how sturdy, how eternal, or how infinite something is, Venuzdonoa can destroy it - even Reason itself[114]. Dimensions and spaces mean nothing to it and reduces all logic to nothing[115], though it is unknown if it actually carries this power or uses its hax to apply this destruction)
Unknown with <Venuzdonoa> (Venuzdonoa is the destroyer of anything in all of existence. Be it providence, fate, or a miracle, all bows down before it and disappears. No matter how sturdy, how eternal, or how infinite something is, Venuzdonoa can destroy it - even Reason itself[114]. Dimensions and spaces mean nothing to it and reduces all logic to nothing[115], though it is unknown if it actually carries this power or uses its hax to apply this destruction)
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ShionAH
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No I dont watch nor read this shitty verse
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On the page, it seems that EE is from Anos’s spells rather than Venuzdonoa.
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I maintain that “possibly High 3-A” is a good idea. Maybe even likely. On that note, going for tonight.
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What? Which spell?
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<Beno Ievun>, unless that’s something entirely else and I’m mistaken
KingNanaya
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aye aye captain
KingNanaya
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it wouldn't be listed at all, actually. ee doesn't get listed unless it's tier 2 or above, and it usually gets either "environmental destruction" or "over time". I've only seen case where a character get's "hax" listed with a rating. and they were tier 1. it was Terumi
ShionAH
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Seems like the sword doesnt actually have EE. Very weird…
KingNanaya
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it makes it even more weird when you see all the stuff it's claimed to have/do
ShionAH
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Yeah I think the supporters
KingNanaya
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"Venuzdonoa is the destroyer of anything in all of existence. Be it providence, fate, or a miracle, all bows down before it and disappears. No matter how sturdy, how eternal, or how infinite something is, Venuzdonoa can destroy it - even Reason itself[114]. Dimensions and spaces mean nothing to it and reduces all logic to nothing" sounds like existence erasure, yet it isn't listed at all, with the exception of one spell or something. it quite literally sounds like ee and hax, which would not get a rating, unless it meets some criteria that I don't know enough about.
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High 3A is the lowball though. Stretching it to higher dimensions and whatever is unnecessary, but it explicitly says that it can destroy something even if it's infinite. That is an explicitly High 3A feat
ShionAH
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Yeah I am gonna make a CRT about it if this CRT doesnt remove the tier 3
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So you are implying that the tiers above high 3-A are also not infinite?
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Sure, but at baseline it's High 3A. Using NLF on a statement this blatant is dumb. You can use that to prevent it being higher than High 3A, not lower
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I am not even trying to make it lower, I am trying to make it unknown rating.
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Which doesn't seem like the smartest move if we can baseline it at High 3A
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Why? I have reasons for tiering it as unknown, given the current limited sources we got here.
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So, for the people asking why isn't this taken as simply hax: I believe Venuzdonoa, by the description, does include a hax component. However, the description elaborates to suggest an AP component, that being the destruction of something that's infinite. As Planck raised, that does suggest at minimum High 3-A when not contradicted.
Venuzdonoa, I feel, it's one of those nuanced cases like, using a great example I know of, The Green from Swamp Thing. The Green as a realm sees time itself as a lonely tree inside a vast forest. Swamp Thing, as The Green's active avatar, has the job to maintain it. The same way a gardener would care for their flowers. He has the power to affect its totality, to change its laws, to accept other materials as part of the web of life that The Green sustains. This, by the tiering system, qualifies as significantly affecting a 2-A structure.
The same case applies here for the sword. The sword is capable of twisting logic in order to destroy infinity. That's hax that significantly affects at minimum High 3-A.
So gotta disagree with the OP.
Venuzdonoa, I feel, it's one of those nuanced cases like, using a great example I know of, The Green from Swamp Thing. The Green as a realm sees time itself as a lonely tree inside a vast forest. Swamp Thing, as The Green's active avatar, has the job to maintain it. The same way a gardener would care for their flowers. He has the power to affect its totality, to change its laws, to accept other materials as part of the web of life that The Green sustains. This, by the tiering system, qualifies as significantly affecting a 2-A structure.
The same case applies here for the sword. The sword is capable of twisting logic in order to destroy infinity. That's hax that significantly affects at minimum High 3-A.
So gotta disagree with the OP.
KingNanaya
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aight bro, thank you
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Your reasons are that it's an NLF, and I'm saying that at the very least it'd still be High 3A
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Should be 11-C smh, the scans clearly mean that it reffers to infinitely sized 2D spaces.
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