High 3-A downgrade Anos

[ShionAH]

GUYS THIS MIGHT JUST BE EE. ANY REASON WHY ITS NOT HAX?

 

[KingNanaya]

I agree with this. What if its like EE?

it very well could be. if it was, then it wouldn't get a rating

 

[BadSystems]

GUYS THIS MIGHT JUST BE EE. ANY REASON WHY ITS NOT HAX?

Could be a case like say, Zen-Oh, where the EE originates from some sorta energy which relates it to AP, but I may be wrong so we’d need a supporter’s opinion.

 

[ShionAH]

Could be a case like say, Zen-Oh, where the EE originates from sorta energy which relates it to AP, but I may be wrong

We dont really list those in AP

 

[KingNanaya]

Could be a case like say, Zen-Oh, where the EE originates from sorta energy which relates it to AP, but I may be wrong so we’d need a supporter’s opinion.

zen-oh's ee is ap based because of how ki works iirc

 

[ShionAH]

I agree with the downgrade it can just be EE

 

[ShionAH]

zen-oh's ee is ap based because of how ki works iirc

Plus Zeno scales above everyone else normally wiithout EE too

 

[KingNanaya]

We dont really list those in AP

zen-oh and db as a whole are special cases, but let's not get off topic

 

[ShionAH]

zen-oh and db as a whole are special cases, but let's not get off topic

They have Ki stuff and scaling, plus thats whataboutism lol

 

[ShionAH]

Why did everyone stop talking...

 

[KingNanaya]

Why did everyone stop talking...

they scheming and plotting. give them a sec

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Hax can be listed as AP if they can affect structures or something.

Idk but Blazblue has that

 

[BadSystems]

I was just saying that could be the case to keep the rating and not to bandwagon on that reasoning , can we at least wait on a supporter to address the claim that Venezuela’s destruction is pure hax?

 

[Ionliosite]

In matter of fact, we never gave high 3-A for this statement.

Before Anos was upgraded to Tier 2, this statement was rated as High 3-A, so this is factually wrong.

 

[ShionAH]

Hax can be listed as AP if they can affect structures or something.

I am pretty sure that was disagreed upon somewhere

I was just saying that could be the case to keep the rating and not to bandwagon on that reasoning , can we at least wait on a supporter to address the claim that Venezuela’s destruction is pure hax?

We are waiting.

 

[BadSystems]

I agree with the downgrade it can just be EE

You already agreed tho

 

[KingNanaya]

I was just saying that could be the case to keep the rating and not to bandwagon on that reasoning , can we at least wait on a supporter to address the claim that Venezuela’s destruction is pure hax?

if they would talk, then sure. we just gotta wait for the most diabolical paragraph lol

 

[Planck69]

I'm going to bed. Please don't tear each other apart in the mean time.

 

[ShionAH]

You already agreed tho

I agreed to it unless further arguments come

 

[StrymULTRA]

GUYS THIS MIGHT JUST BE EE. ANY REASON WHY ITS NOT HAX?

Chara

 

[ShionAH]

I'm going to bed. Please don't tear each other apart in the mean time.

Alright good night planck!





Okay he is gone lets start the chaos now...

 

[BadSystems]

I wanna know what makes you think that in the first place, though.

Mod is gone, time to post inflammatory comments gg

 

[ShionAH]

Chara

She doesnt have EE

 

[ShionAH]

I wanna know what makes you think that in the first place, though.

If the weapon has EE then its pretty fair to think that it has H3-A EE and not H3-A AP all together.

 

[StrymULTRA]

She doesnt have EE

They literally said they erase the world lol.

 

[ShionAH]

They literally said they erase the world lol.

Cool. She still doesn't have that. Plus the feat is written as "Destroyed the entire game and its cosmology" Destroy not Erase

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

They literally said they erase the world lol.

Erase just means "remove all traces of; destroy or obliterate"
Like all Tier 2 characters (That destroy a timeline) would count as erase

 

[BadSystems]

If the weapon has EE then its pretty fair to think that it has H3-A EE and not H3-A AP all together.

The weapon has EE?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Cool. She still doesn't have that. Plus the feat is written as "Destroyed the entire game and its cosmology" Destroy not Erase

Should be reworded then.

 

[BadSystems]

Also, please don’t derail with Chara bullshit, this thread is already a headache for any reader

 

[ShionAH]

Should be reworded then.

Disagree. She just used a normal slash which is the same as Frisks slash which doesnt erase.

Also, please don’t derail with Chara bullshit, this thread is already a headache for any reader

undertale is everywhere

 

[ImmortalDread]

I was away for a bit, what should I address? Also, I will upgrade staff tally in OP, I assume two disagreements as far.

 

[ShionAH]

I was away for a bit, what should I address? Also, I will upgrade staff tally in OP, I assume two disagreements as far.

What do you think about the H3-A feat just being a potent EE?

 

[BadSystems]

I was away for a bit, what should I address? Also, I will upgrade staff tally in OP, I assume two disagreements as far.

I’d like you to address my full post pls.

“Also, as I said before, NLF depends on our interpretation. If we interpret “destroying infinite structures” without additional context on dimensionality and shit, then we are applying a limit to his statement, Tier 3-A, the actual minimum interpretation because the rest would be (you guessed it) NLF”

 

[ImmortalDread]

“Also, as I said before, NLF depends on our interpretation. If we interpret “destroying infinite structures” without additional context on dimensionality and shit, then we are applying a limit to his statement, Tier 3-A, the actual minimum interpretation because the rest would be (you guessed it) NLF”

You are correct, NL statements depends on our interpretations (where also you can discard it if no feats are supporting it as far), but which reason are you giving the limitations to a clear-cut NL statement?

Also, no we no longer give infinite statements without additional context in any tiering.

Statements regarding infinite power, infinite strength, or unlimited quantities do not automatically indicate an ability to produce an infinite amount of energy at once. For example, a power source that never depletes could have an infinite quantity of energy, but can't necessarily be wielded with infinite magnitude (not all at once). Statements involving "infinite power/strength" must be clearly indicative of magnitude to qualify for tiering, in order to avoid inflated ratings or inconsistencies in a story. Further, the hyperbolic nature of the phrase must be taken into consideration, where characters are prone to describing someone's power as infinite in a context where it is so great as to be insurmountable from their perspective, but not truly infinite in a manner relevant to their tier. If proven, however, statements of infinite strength would qualify for '''High 3-A''' or higher if evidence regarding a higher degree of infinity above baseline is established.

 

[ImmortalDread]

What do you think about the H3-A feat just being a potent EE?

We no longer rate those as AP if they are under low 2-C.

This has been discussed here:

(STAFF ONLY) EE AP revision

very simple, Existance Erasure is a hax not AP therefore profiles that have EE that have extenssive feats of affecting an determined structure with said hax EE should have an "with Existance Erasure", similar to how we list creation feats that don't scale to the characters statistics, so that...

vsbattles.com

 

[BadSystems]

You are correct, NL statements depends on our interpretations (where also you can discard it if no feats are supporting it as far), but which reason are you giving the limitations to a clear-cut NL statement?

Also, no we no longer give infinite statements without additional context in any tiering.

I understand the standard, but the context here pretty clearly entails “destroying infinite structures”. Not harboring just infinite power, exercising it.

 

[ShionAH]

We no longer rate those as AP if they are under low 2-C.

This has been discussed here:

(STAFF ONLY) EE AP revision

very simple, Existance Erasure is a hax not AP therefore profiles that have EE that have extenssive feats of affecting an determined structure with said hax EE should have an "with Existance Erasure", similar to how we list creation feats that don't scale to the characters statistics, so that...

vsbattles.com

Yes thats my point. High 3-A should be possibly or removed entirely

 

[BadSystems]

But, I see your point. I think we should say “Likely High 3-A” for Venuzdonoa on the profiles until the feats you talked about have been translated.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Which has never been supported by any feats that the sword has been shown as far in these 4 volumes official translations (LN)
(where most of them are hax-feats)