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Hiei vs Shinju (High 6A Tourney)
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bruh, thats naruto not yyh are we even talking about the same thing anymore?
Naruto Revision - Juubi Tenpenchii
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Sorry, I don't seem to really have understood your words.
Anyways, here Hiei scales to 4 Petatons.
The Shinju is 10 Petatons.
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but thats a naruto calc thread that you linked. It literally says The juubi tenpenchii is 4.5 petatons. Either way it wasnt accepted
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The scaling for YYH IMO is:
Shinobu Sensui 6-A ( 2.2 / 3 Pentatons ) < Hiei High 6-A ( 4.4 / 5 Pentatons )
Shinobu Sensui 6-A ( 2.2 / 3 Pentatons ) < Hiei High 6-A ( 4.4 / 5 Pentatons )
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none of the members ever stated hiei was 4.5
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He's baseline
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...It doesn't matter. The strongest of the verse don't go beyond being far abive 5 petatons. The Juubi is twice that, can regenerate whole limbs worth of flesh on the fly, and can grow stronger.
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Baseline was never stated in the thread you sent I even checked the comments
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again that is never stated, also can we just wait for cal? he probably know more about their ap than me
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The requirement for High 6-A is 4.435 Petatons. Given that Sensui is 2+ Petatons, High 6-A for the upper S-class makes sense. Sensui's power level is below Hokushin's power level). The weaker upper S-classes like Yusuke and Hiei have PL's several times that while suppressed while the strongest (Three Kings and Raizen's friends) are in the millions.
Edit: I'm not saying we should abuse power levels and use linear multiplication. I'm saying that the sheer difference in power between the Lower and Upper S-class would warrant a High 6-A rating for the latter (if the former are already bordering on mid-end of 6-A).
Sensui is 6-A (2+ Pentatons) < Hiei is High 6-A ( 4.4 or 5 Pentatons or higher) < Yusuke High 6-A < Three Kings and Raizen's Friends < Prime Raizen.
In other the threads I checked, the Three Kings are capable of stomping Baseline High 6-As (4.4 Pentatons)
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The requirement for High 6-A is 4.435 Petatons. Given that Sensui would most likely end up at 2+ Petatons, High 6-A for the upper S-class makes sense. Sensui's power level is below 36,000 (Hokushin's canon power level). The weaker upper S-classes like Yusuke and Hiei have PL's several times that (200,000+ while suppressed) while the strongest (Three Kings and Raizen's friends) are in the millions.
Edit: I'm not saying we should abuse power levels and use linear multiplication. I'm saying that the sheer difference in power between the Lower and Upper S-class would warrant a High 6-A rating for the latter (if the former are already bordering on mid-end of 6-A).
This is the actual statement. He says 4.435 is the requirement but never say that hiei or yusuke is baseline
Edit: I'm not saying we should abuse power levels and use linear multiplication. I'm saying that the sheer difference in power between the Lower and Upper S-class would warrant a High 6-A rating for the latter (if the former are already bordering on mid-end of 6-A).
This is the actual statement. He says 4.435 is the requirement but never say that hiei or yusuke is baseline
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:4320695
The real cal howard said this:
Easier to explain it than use greater than signs.
A Classes are well into 6-A. Lower S Classes are baseline, as they stomp the heck out of that. S Classes can fodderize literally hundreds of Lower S Classes, and Upper S Classes can fodderize dozens of S Classes.
Mukuro shitstomps Hiei, who’s one of the strongest Upper S Classes, and that’s when she’s calm. Angered Mukuro is the strongest living person in the setting (Raizen would still kick the shit out of her in his prime).
In short, basically Low S Class (Baseline or 4.435) < S Class < Strongest Upper S Class
The real cal howard said this:
Easier to explain it than use greater than signs.
A Classes are well into 6-A. Lower S Classes are baseline, as they stomp the heck out of that. S Classes can fodderize literally hundreds of Lower S Classes, and Upper S Classes can fodderize dozens of S Classes.
Mukuro shitstomps Hiei, who’s one of the strongest Upper S Classes, and that’s when she’s calm. Angered Mukuro is the strongest living person in the setting (Raizen would still kick the shit out of her in his prime).
In short, basically Low S Class (Baseline or 4.435) < S Class < Strongest Upper S Class
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you realize that Yusuke and co aren't low s class right? They arguably one shot most low s class. If anything your point just made it clear that Yusuke and Hiei are way above baseline. Not to mention if you dive further into the discussion cal proceeds to say that Mukuro beats 100 High 6A Baseline Characters all at once
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You do realize that I never said they were right? Their just above the baseline and not your 20x or 30x the 2 Pentaton feat Idea
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I never mentioned the power level again I just said they definitely arent baseline seeing as they stomp Baseline characters
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All the mid to high S Class demons in YYH mostly just have being far superior to Sensui. And we also go by the manga, not the Anime. Anime has some Low 5-B stuff to calculate iirc. But Sensui's at least 1.1 Petaton feat was something he could do extremely casually just by standing still when 50% of his Sacred Energy aura was unleashed on Earth. Meaning 100% Sacred Energy could do at least 2.2 Petatons. The baselines for High 6-A start with Hokushin due to being "Multitudes stronger than Sensui". Then the 6 100,000+PL demons are over 2.5x above that. So at least 10 Petatons roughly. And then the million+ PL demons are obviously multitudes above that. Raizen's friends, Yomi, Mukoro, Yusuke, possibly Hiei. They're all multitudes stronger than the likes of Jin or Shu. 20 Petatons is like a reasonable lowball, but they could be up to 100. Though, I don't think Hiei is half as strong as Mukoro, but he's implied to be almost as strong as Yusuke, so 50 Petatons might be appropriate for a high end on his watch.
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so my estimate could actually be correct? Also isn’t the anime and manga the same thing?
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The Anime is a different continuity and simply an adaptation of the manga with various differences.
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so the yomi vs yusuke feat didn’t happen in the manga? also does that mean anime exclusive feats arent gonna be used?
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Yusuke Vs Yomi did happen in the Manga, it was just no where near as epic. It still lasted 60 hours, but we didn't see much of it off panel. But Friendship energy or their calculations never happened in the manga. Anime exclusive feats or statements won't be used.
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why isn’t the anime feats going to be used?
Edit: So I checked the manga battle and that sucks since they kind of made it a flashback in the manga and it has no feats at all.
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Because it's not canon to the original manga; though there could be a separate thread to make Anime version of the verse that will use different feats. But we had multiple discussions about cross-scaling Anime and Manga, they're two different continuities.
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Is Hiei Manga version being used for this fight or anime version ?
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i mean obviously manga since anime doesn’t have a profile
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yeah i think it would be wise to do that since this wiki is missing out on alot by not using the anime version. Also kinda sucks that manga profiles are mostly scaling but that explains why I was so confused on yyh profiles
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Wouldn't that mean that the outcome of this match is invalid if Hiei is actually in the 20s to 50s Pentaton Range?
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why would it be invalid?
Edit: Nvm yeah I also checked that match out and noticed it was kind of outdated
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Shinju FRA
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The match assumes that Hiei is only unquantifiably above baseline while Garou scales to Saitama's casual 23 Pentaton feat
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yeah I noticed that. But back to the topic since were scaling yyh to 20-50 petatons again
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If their Low End and High End are 20 and 50 Pentatons respectively, then their Mid End would be 35 Pentatons.
Third Form Jubi's AP > Second Form Jubi's AP 10 Pentatons
Third Form Jubi's Durability > Second Form Jubi's Durability > 10 Pentatons
Second Form Jubi took no damage from detonating its own TBB inside it's body
Third Form Jubi's AP > Second Form Jubi's AP 10 Pentatons
Third Form Jubi's Durability > Second Form Jubi's Durability > 10 Pentatons
Second Form Jubi took no damage from detonating its own TBB inside it's body
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we are only using one form since the others lead to a higher tier iirc
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Third Form is the one that I'm using though?
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Shinju FRA
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so what exactly is third forms ap?
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