Heaven Ascension Dio vs Madara

[TacticalNuke002]

Isn't Genjutsu more about Perception manip and illusions rather than true mindhax?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

From what im remember there is thread that explained that Bill is not a actual 4D and he 2A rating comes from enviroment destruction it doesnt scale to his other abilities unlike Dio.

2A is infinetely above 2C.

Again is not AP its hax.

Yes it does. He litirally rips apart the laws of reality, willingly removed cause and effect, and his mindhax is caused by the ripping of reality. And this still aplies to characters like sim and cthulhu.

Yeah. A high 3-A is also infinitly above a 10-B, their mindhax doesn't become infinite due to it. Again, we don't scale hax to AP like that, the end.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Isn't Genjutsu more about Perception manip and illusions rather than true mindhax?

Most are, but the tought based ones happen to be the experion to the rule.. This one specifically puts the target into an eternal dream where all their wishes come true.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

We should stop talking about mindhax since it's irrelevant here anyway, time stop and reality overwrite is a thing.

 

[Axl233]

Anyways, what can DIO do here if he gets sniped since he can't see him with that distance.

Mindhax,soul SUCC ,erasure and teleportation.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

We should stop talking about mindhax since it's irrelevant here anyway, time stop and reality overwrite is a thing.

You... did you not read anything above?

Like, it's tought based, so if they are close enough to see each other it still boils down to who fires jt first.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Regardless, since the mindhax resistance wasn't even aplied, and the only reasoning for it goes against what we use as a standard, I'l just ignore that.

So, can you vote without that? It doesn't change overly much anyways.

 

[Ecstasy_Amphetamine]

Yeah since both of them have to walk up to each other without killing, I'd vote incon.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I still think dio wins, but alright.

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Yeah since both of them have to walk up to each other without killing, I'd vote incon.

Hmm Madara can´t do not a lot of stuffs against that time stop.

 

[Axl233]

From what im remember there is thread that explained that Bill is not a actual 4D and he 2A rating comes from enviroment destruction it doesnt scale to his other abilities unlike Dio.

2A is infinetely above 2C.

Again is not AP its hax.

Yes it does. He litirally rips apart the laws of reality, willingly removed cause and effect, and his mindhax is caused by the ripping of reality. And this still aplies to characters like sim and cthulhu.
Yeah. A high 3-A is also infinitly above a 10-B, their mindhax doesn't become infinite due to it. Again, we don't scale hax to AP like that, the end.

im just saying what im saw in the other thread that was downgrade Bill,if im said something wrong feel free correct me.

missed my argument again dude.

he doesnt have 2A AP he has hax on a 2A scale,he doesnt destroy multiverse by nuking it its by using his RO to screw it over.

the difference between a high 3A and a 10-B is not the same as a 10-B to a Low-2C or 2A,the first ones are in the same dimension while the other is beyond his comprehension.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No to most of those.

Hax doesn't scale to each other either, point. Again, there are plenty characters with one hax far stronger than the other, and the energy source just plain doesn't matter to a mindhax's potency. Unless he has feats or a direct statement that he can mindhax a 4D being, ir's just isn't a thing, point. It isn't for cthulhu, sim, and monika, and they all have 4D powers. Monika does her mindhax through a 4D power as well, doesn't matter.

What? The difference between 10-B and High 3-A is infinite. The difference between Low 2-C and 2-A is infinite.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

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