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Heaven Ascension DIO and Jotaro: Major Downgrade and Revisions

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The thing is, even if they are the "same" person, there are infinite Valentines that Dio erased. Infinite people means infinite mass and as such infinite energy. It's as simple as that.

Why would erasing an infinite amount of mass not be High 3-A? All the arguments against it currently have Nonexistent Physiology. Just about it being range with no justification for why it's not High 3-A
 
I mean at the end of the day it's just an arbitrary number that we choose to represent "hax potency". So I'm fine with either.
 
@Dargoo

Thank you for helping out. It seems like most of this has been accepted then.

It seems like we still need to determine if High 3-A is valid or not though.
 
You know at this point, I've got nothing else to really say here so I'll excuse myself by unsubscribing.

As I said earlier I've already said my piece on the changes. As for the AP for RO, it's really just hax for how stupidly broken it is (in-universe, ofc. Not speaking outside of it) given that Johnny's bullets were OHKO'd and Giorno did...well whatever he tried to do with GER only for it to not work, and ofc the whole just punching everyone he hits and either taking their soul or just outright erase them from reality.

That said, I guess whatever is finally decided for his AP is just that so...yeah.
 
TriforcePower1 said:
The thing is, even if they are the "same" person, there are infinite Valentines that Dio erased. Infinite people means infinite mass and as such infinite energy. It's as simple as that.

Why would erasing an infinite amount of mass not be High 3-A? All the arguments against it currently have Nonexistent Physiology. Just about it being range with no justification for why it's not High 3-A
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The thing is, the word "erased" itself should be a dead give away DIO done it through hax. As far as I know, Existence Erasure doesn't require certain amount of energy to be used. I don't think it's possible erasing stuff through sheer ap. Atomizing maybe, but never heard a character erase through ap.
 
So is somebody experienced willing to apply the accepted changes?
 
Honestly a bit salty that Dio's losing 2-A, since there is a 2-A version of Kakyoin somewhere and Kakyoin vs Dio but in 2-A would have been something to behold.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Honestly a bit salty that Dio's losing 2-A, since there is a 2-A version of Kakyoin somewhere and Kakyoin vs Dio but in 2-A would have been something to behold.
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Kakyoin, did you lay this 2-A egg?
 
I recall making a joke calc measuring Kakyoin's hair noodle and someone commented "Multiversal Kakyoin confirmed" but that's the only thing I can think of
 
Kakyoin is a playable character in MGQ

Therefore he scales to 2-A

Therefore I can make a 2-A Kakyoin profile and no one can stop me.
 
I don't see any 2-A Kakyoin in other media, you ding dong. I know this because I attempted to look it up. You lied to us!
 
Pardon me, Kakyoin is in that game?

Also, HA DIO is a hax based character so I'd be more worried about legally not Kakyoin.
 
Kakyoin looks like he wants to die in that photo, anyways this seems like derailment.
 
Dude, you just made my f*cking day with that screencap.

But yes, we should get back to the topic.

Should RO be downgraded to 4-A then?
 
Well the thing isn't that the High 3-A feat isn't High 3-A, it's that it's EE. And I'm fairly sure we don't give out AP to erasing things of a certain size unless we reach Tier 2 and above.

The 4-A stuff is actually creation/reality warping and thus imo should be used for AP instead.
 
We do give AP to EE, most notably stuff like erasing pocket dimensions. And anyway, that's not really the point. Because Existence Erasure is just Dio using RO in an offensive manner, there's no reason to assume that every other application of said power would be infinitely weaker or be able to affect infinitely less stuff than EE.
 
So can we focus on getting things done here instead of derailing?
 
We got back on track, don't worry.

The only thing that has to be clarified is whether erasing the same person from infinite realities qualifies as High 3-A or not.
 
Destroying an infinite amount of matter should be High 3-A, yes.
 
Antvasima said:
Destroying an infinite amount of matter should be High 3-A, yes.
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It's a bit different though. Because he erased a possibly infinite amount of people who would equal infinite amount of matter, but was that really the idea behind it?
 
I don't think it matters if the developers intended DIO to erase infinite matter, but nobody really intends to make their character overpowered Except the creators of Warhammer
 
I do not know. Sorry.
 
The Smashor said:
I don't think it matters if the developers intended DIO to erase infinite matter, but nobody really intends to make their character overpowered Except the creators of Warhammer
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Suggs would like a word with you.
 
It's a bit different though. Because he erased a possibly infinite amount of people who would equal infinite amount of matter, but was that really the idea behind it?

As Smashor said, Author intent is generally not considered in this wiki.
 
Antvasima said:
So is somebody experienced willing to apply the accepted changes?
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