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Immeasurable? Then I'm not sure how gravity is an issue. Iirc, Shadow is casually immeasurable in lifting strength, and has invulnerability to boot.
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Hearts vs Shadow
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This is the only piece of evidence I need
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Hearts has more LS due to scaling chain, but yeah due to invulnerability he only gets paralysed
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Does he really tho? Shadow has is own scaling chain and the baseline of the scaling chain is already above a baseline Multiverse by a fair amount at that. Not to mention, even if he did have a lifting strength advantage, he would need an ap advantage to crush him. You can't crush with only a lifting strength advantage
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So are you saying that he can’t read hearts at a certain range even if he looks at them I have 0 idea what you’re saying here referring to Range
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I’m pretty sure Shadow’s immeasurable LS is a bit above baseline whereas Hearts’ is decently above infinitely above that.
I am aware, other people seem to not be
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Hearts can read people’s mind from all across the planet in this form, however we don’t know if he can do anything beyond that.
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I think Hearts can summon people too, right? Not sure How he would dealnwiyh them.
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Infinitely in the literal sense, or figurative sense. That said, I'm pretty sure you can argue Shadow to be infinitely above baseline immeasurable.
Ah, I see
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Exactly, the vs battle wiki fanbase part of both are so much more fun than youtube's, 2 of my favorites having a nice debate over it, i love it
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Doesn’t matter since Hearts is dead by the time he finishes that + those people would get blitzed too.
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Isn’t it only Solaris who’s finite 4D? Literal sense btw.
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How would Shadow have enough time to realize that he can read his mind I don’t see him getting past the gravity manip and then EE because even if he tries to attack him Hearts can read him
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Why?
Not really, because of stacked stamina Reduction.
Shadow can't really deal with a bunch of people passivily reducing his stamina.
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Until it gets removed i will go with it, if you want me to stop i will
and i wait for proof of said elaboration
do they have to activate the card to use it in game? Because if so that is how they should and will be treated
be civil i ask
Elasticity + invulnerability makes gravity only ablr to make him not move
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Solaris scales to being able to consume the multiverse down to the very concept of time in lifting strength. Said Mulverse is already is already infinite, but for every dream across those infinite universes a new universe is born, meaning infinite more universes (as dreams are treated as universes in maginaryworld). On top of that, Sonic's multiverse operates on every possibility creating a new universe. So at bare minimum, Sonic's 2-A Multiverse is infinite*infinite*infinite. Though it can easily be argued far higher than that. And that's ignoring the scaling chain.
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Our discussion is a bit outdated but my reasoning was that Shadow would realize because Heart would teleport himself outside of mind reading range when Shadow tries to chaos spear him. Thus making Hearts unprepared for Shadow’s attack after that, which Shadow will notice.
This doesn’t matter anymore since Shadow can now just speed up his thoughts to the point Hearts can’t keep up so gg
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Million times speed amp give or take
If Hearts can summon 1 person during this fight it’s enough, Hearts likely can’t even finish the thought of summoning someone before he’s dead.
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Hmm, not sure if that’s allowed for LS though since it doesn’t do anything for AP
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For AP, all I think it does it put it above "baseline" 2-A if I'm reading the vsbw pages right. Pretty sure it does put lifting strength infinitely above baseline though (Shadow doesn't scale to The End yet, but The End is good for the scaling chain because that people like Solaris are finite and that they are infinite).
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Well, there's one that reduce in 7x, one that reduce to half, and other that reduce to zero.
I noticed now that you voted, okay then.
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I'm back. Anywho, hearts can only summon from ultra god mission iirc. But summoning Cumber means Shadow is getting passively Mind haxed.
And as for Speed amps. 1-Hearts can't decrease speed. 2- The slower character in an eqaul speed battle can't use amps to speed blitz the faster character. So shadows speed amps are useless. 3- why would shadow Go out of hearts range without any reason?
And as for Speed amps. 1-Hearts can't decrease speed. 2- The slower character in an eqaul speed battle can't use amps to speed blitz the faster character. So shadows speed amps are useless. 3- why would shadow Go out of hearts range without any reason?
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Could please put jade ghost and violet void into shadow's arsenal in the match?
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Can you send me a link to those decreases?
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Resisted
he can actually, the match just can't be added if that happenS
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How good is Shadows mind hax resistance?
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Isn’t dark ki mind hax layered?
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If Hearts can anticipate the attack why would he go out of his range when he wouldn’t need to do that to avoid a spear? That logic makes 0 sense wtf
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Only thing I wanna reply to here for now (ill respond to more after reading the thread later) is the speed part. What does Hearts scale to in speed? Because Shadow is a FUCKTON above Baseline immeasurable in Super
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How many layers does heart's have?
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Speed amp makes him far faster thab what hearts can do by thinking
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Only that it can't be added. Nowhere do the rules state that they cannot be used
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That is a very very good question.
Unfortunately for you, The scaling chain is messed up so i can only give you the most bare bone answer.
How many times is shadow above baseline?
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Thats what i meant by it can't be used, i should've explained it a bit more.
And now, I'm researching Hearts accepted card hax...and oh boy-
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I wasn’t referring to that I was referring to his “outdated discussion” but how would Sonic get that fast either way?
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What are tou refering to exactlt?
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As of right now, casually above quintillions of times baseline immeasurable. That's not accounting for scaling chains ofc. But after a CRT I have planned, he will scale infinite*baseline Immeasurable and then some (not accounting for scaling chains for simplicity sake). It is a verse known for speed, so this ain't too much of a surprise.
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His safest option to avoid the spear is to go outside of Shadow’s teleportation range, which is equal to his mind reading range, at least.
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