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Sure, I'll edit it on the OPYou should show that dean is extremely capable of copying attacks first
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Sure, I'll edit it on the OPYou should show that dean is extremely capable of copying attacks first
Why notNot really seeing fate hax layers for the gods or the new layers for power null.
all magic is essentially law manip as explained here, but it has different additional affects, like fire magic has fire manip + law manip, ice magic has ice manip + law manip and so onthe anti magic thing I’m not seeing for layered hax when that’s power null, not law hax.
refer to above part for thisThe whole “affecting other unique skill users” thing doesn’t tell me much for layered hax since you’re just doing power null prior.
all magic, and skills, are law manip in their coreLaw hax would need to be separate from this. So far I see 2 layers for both sides here.
Sorry, i was just trying to understand since their fate hax bypasses the resistance of Ultimates@Jozaysmith? because none of them qualifies, do I need to spoonfeed you every information to you or can you figure it out on your own? I’m not gonna baby you over every decision I make.
Yeah but this verse laws are conceptual and altering them alters everything around itselfNote that most magic through fiction is defined as some force used to bend the laws of reality to obtain a desired effect. We cannot stretch and say that every time magic is used is altering rules and reality in a great scale when almost always the spellcasting limit to perform mundane stuff like manipulating natural elements, boost attributes or alter the mind, nor we can assume that characters needs to specifically resist law/reality manipulation in order to resists such magick.
forgot to add it thus edited the previous reply, but saying it again, magic is law manip, and anti-magic is a magicand the post is using anti magic, something not really connected towards law hax, this feels like a stretch and a half to scale something literally made to be anti magic, and scale to the basic applications of magic itself.
I agree to that whole heartedlyNote that most magic through fiction is defined as some force used to bend the laws of reality to obtain a desired effect. We cannot stretch and say that every time magic is used is altering rules and reality in a great scale when almost always the spellcasting limit to perform mundane stuff like manipulating natural elements, boost attributes or alter the mind, nor we can assume that characters needs to specifically resist law/reality manipulation in order to resists such magick.
Yeah.@DavidTPPM do you have the scans for the passive mindhax and the soul vapor stuff at baseline
And here are soul hax.
You mean the Mujin verbal mind hax having 2 layers with karma?though the karma stuff you’re gonna need some proof that with it, it allowed for layered hax.
The only one that come closes to 100 layers is DnD...And DnD is so horribly outdated that it may as well not count (ignoring verses with infinite layers, or above)Ban layering (other verses have 100 layers)
it may as well not count, as in "the main suporter refuses to participate in anything related to the high tiers and beyond, where those tiers actually start mattering".just because DND is outdated doesn't mean the layers shouldn't count wtf
I mean Makina's profile claims she has unquantifiable layers.The only one that come closes to 100 layers is DnD...And DnD is so horribly outdated that it may as well not count (ignoring verses with infinite layers, or above)
Okay, so out of these@DavidTPPM the power mimicry stuff is fine, but the karma stuff specifically you're gonna need to show that it allows someone to hax those with an established resistance.
I only need more evidence for number 3?1.
Mori Dan and Mujin Park have passive mind manipulation that makes people completely submit to them. Mujin Park also has mind manipulation where he commands people to do what he wishes, which was shown to work on characters not affected by their passive mind hax.
Mujins word based Mind Manipulation > Odins and Satans resistance > Mujins passive mind manipulation (1 Layer)
2.
Moris passive mind manipulation after he gained karma has been shown to affect Mujin and Tataghata inside of him, who has previously been completely unaffected by it.
Karma Moris passive mind manipulation > Mujin/Tataghatas resistance > Moris base passive mind manipulation (1 Layer)
3.
Since Mujins verbal mind manipulation has been consistently shown as superior to his passive MM, this relationship should stay the same after he gained karma as well. Seeing as how it upgraded Moris mind manipulation by 1 layer, Mujin should have at least a "Possibly 2 Layers" on his verbal mind manipulation with karma.
Mujins karma verbal mind manipulation > Mujins word based Mind Manipulation > Odins and Satans resistance > Mujins passive mind manipulation (2 Layers)
4.
Satan who could resist Diamond Sutras base ability to turn people into soul vapors was affected by 1800 agonies which clearly started to deconstruct him, although it's not enough to completely deconstruct him in one go. Besides being a supposedly stronger form of attack than 1800 agonies, it's heavily implied that if Satan were to not block the Empty Agonies from the bell, he would have gotten erased. Since the superiority of Empty Agonies is more so implied than shown, I think it's safe to only give it a "likely" rating.
Empty Agonies > 1800 Agonies > Satans resistance > Basic Diamond Sutra attacks (at least 1 Layer, likely 2 Layers)
5.
Satan was shown capable of copying recoiless attacks. Dean stated he can't copy recoiless attacks.
Edit: Dean can perfectly copy both martial arts and Borrowed Powers that he's only seen once
Satans Power Mimicry > Recoiless resistance to PM > Deans PM (1 Layer)
well notice how in the scan it says, "the difference between unique and ultimate skills are" but than says "all skills at their core are ways to manipulate the world laws"That can work, though I'm not really sure I see layered hax for the unique and ultimate skill users there, especially when it's abilities unique from one another being used on each other and not just people throwing law hax left and right unless it's specified to be such.
I think you can if you just don't forget to link the post/message of staff where it was acceptedOh and BTW can I add the accepted layers on the profiles without making an additional CRT when they're accepted here?
BumpCan someone check this thread (last comment)
That because Makina's RE scales to Alice who can instantly break out of Chronois's spatial hax (it works for both resistance and potency).I mean Makina's profile claims she has unquantifiable layers.
Uh, you need to get that accepted here on this thread.That because Makina's RE scales to Alice who can instantly break out of Chronois's spatial hax (it works for both resistance and potency).
Makina fought her rival for 100 million years and was evolving through that timeframe but we do not have a exact number for it but its likely more then just 100 million layers even with the lowest of lowballs (1 year per layer). Still there is no exact way of telling.
Characters with RE and can gain resistance to something above their layer, that's still not enough for infinite layers.That because Makina's RE scales to Alice who can instantly break out of Chronois's spatial hax (it works for both resistance and potency).
Makina fought her rival for 100 million years and was evolving through that timeframe but we do not have a exact number for it but its likely more then just 100 million layers even with the lowest of lowballs (1 year per layer). Still there is no exact way of telling.
who said anything about infinite layers for makinaCharacters with RE and can gain resistance to something above their layer, that's still not enough for infinite layers.
I used it as an examplewho said anything about infinite layers for makina
Okay, than, is there a need of a thread for it or can I implement the changes into their profiles just from this?@Astral_Trinity439 then I’m fine with the layered hax then so long as it’s only for the law hax and not every single unique ability from unique skills
Skills :
- Law Manipulation, Subjective Reality (Skills are, in true essence the ability to wish whatever the user desires, affecting the very fundamentals of the world, bringing in nonphysical phenomenon and turning it real, in any case the user of a skill can invoke any wish they want into the world, affecting the root of everything)
So.... every magic and skill at base also has Subjective Reality/Reality Warping other than law manip
You know this was already evaled here like two weeks ago right?
I clearly didn't if I posted in this thread. Thanks for letting me know though.You know this was already evaled here like two weeks ago right?
Mb just letting ykI clearly didn't if I posted in this thread. Thanks for letting me know though.
Hello ! I am here to answer that.@Eseseso that would need to be evaluated then.
Yeah there isHello ! I am here to answer that.
Makina has unquantifiable layers because
1) Makina scales to Alice's RE
2) Alice's RE which can grow indefinitely can near quickly break out of Chronois's Spatial Manip and allow her to use Kuromueina's powers which are Unresisted to Non World Creators. This is important because this confirms that Alice can gain an extra layer with her RE. Chronois's hax scales to shiro because she directly uses her authority.
3) Makina stalemated her rival for 100 million years
even with the lowest of lowballs it "could" easily exceeds 100 million layers (assuming 1 layer per year) . Its unquantifiable because its very abnormally high and there is no safe way to estimate it.
Yeah there is
Just one layer!
Lol.Yeah there is
Just one layer!
I am enlightened.Lol.
What happened with you Reaper...