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The problem is that there are series with canonical layers (ie Dnd)
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Hax Layer Evaluation Thread
- Thread starter Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Rakih_Elyan
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Hax potency should be able to bypass the layers it equal with.
Jozaysmith?
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How many layers were accepted I'll add it to the blog, then add it to profiles.
Astral_Trinity439
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5 layers
Magic -> Baseline
Anti-Magic -> 1 Layer
Holy Field -> 2 Layers
Unique Skills -> 3 Layers
Shion's Skill [Chaotic Fate] -> 4 Layers
Ultimate -> 5 Layers
the rest you already know, including the world system and stuff, which would be the same layers above ultimate skills as accepted before. 6 Layers ig.
Was wondering if we could do the same for subjective reality with this since both are base of skills and magic, or if it has to be accepted separately
Jozaysmith?
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Law=Concept=reality
Pretty much it, so it might work
Anyways I'll add it to the verse layered blog and then to the ultimate skill profile page
Astral_Trinity439
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nice, and ok
Astral_Trinity439
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You forgot to add the layers to holy field and anti-magic in the skills page, or maybe didn't had the time
so I added it
Tho I didn't add layers for concept and reality manip with the analogy [Law=Concept=reality] for now, leaving that to you if you have time
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Yeah because glass never replied or accepted it
Astral_Trinity439
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yes. Whether they work on the same principle or not, I don't wanna break a rule I may not know
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Bumping this bevause its been decades
Anyways can OP add the ReZero layers to the OP? I have like a whole ass list to go through
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Pedonar
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Layered Explosion Manipulation for Kamen Rider Kuuga.
- Baseline Power = Kuuga's finishers always leave a mark on his targets, which causes them to explode, this power is also shared with his Rider machines, like Trygouram.
- Baseline Resistance = Me-Garima-Ba resisted the Trygouram Attack.
- 1 layer = Rising Titan Form explodes Me-Garima-Ba with Rising Calamity Titan.
- 1 layer resistance = Go-Gamego-Re resisted the Rising Calamity Titan.
- 2 layers = Rising Mighty Form explodes Go-Gamego-Re with Rising Mighty Kick.
- 2 layers resistance = Go-Gadol-Ba resisted the Rising Mighty Kick.
- 3 layers = Amazing Mighty Form explodes Go-Gadol-Ba with Amazing Mighty Kick.
Jozaysmith?
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Explosion manip is a degree type hax there's no layers
Fezzih_007
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Bruh, you have zero scans for all of that, It makes hard to evaluate.Bumping this bevause its been decades
Anyways can OP add the ReZero layers to the OP? I have like a whole ass list to go through
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This is the first time I've seen someone saying this.
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basically resisting explison manip is not a kind of conventional hax resistance, as explosions, as a mixture of overpressure and heat, are a form of AP. Sure, it can be resisted, but it does not have layers.
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The thing is that the explosions are caused by Sealing Energy, they do not work like conventional explosions such as real-life bombs or fictional energy blasts usually do, his kicks/punches marks you with a Sealing into a specific part of your body, and it explodes your after it.
Fezzih_007
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Which it literally is. Not only did Valkyrie's Gate: Another outright ignore the Demon Lord's resistance to Valkyrie's Gate, but it also made it so that Ristarte's healing factor WOULD NOT WORK after Seiya used it. Valkyrie's Gate: Another even had a mind of its own, something Valkyrie's Gate doesn't have!
Which it ALSO literally is.
Look, man. I don't get why you're not seeing it as layered hax despite all the signs showing proof that it's layered hax.
Jozaysmith?
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You probably never asked anyone then lmao, this is like saying layered temperature manip.
Explosions are generated through fire and some level of heat, fire is degree associated, degree associated abilities cant be recognized
Jozaysmith?
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What is an explosion?
What causes explosion
You're finding this hard to grasp aren't you?
Its like saying explosions are their own thing haha, that guy was just more solid, doesn't sound like something that's layered
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Kuuga and Sealing Energy for the first two. Elaborate the third, and yes, they are their own thing in this case. There is no "more solid", he got his resistance bypassed by a physically weaker form when it didn't for a physically stronger form. If you want to at least say a single useful thing here, be more elaborated with your words and I'll concede this is a enhanced form of explosion manipulation.
Jozaysmith?
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I am not a mod and i practically don't care about your arguments, just telling before you wait to only get a response of "it's a degree ability"
So yeah, ejoudese (that's all)
EL_xWatcher1234x
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I only watched the anime, and it look like all what Seiya did is overpower the demon king with two Valkyrie's Gates. It's like casting the same spell twice to affect someone, but you know more about the series than me.
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Okay, so here's another case. So... I think Zeno's Existence Erasure should be one layer of Existence Erasure. The reason I say this? Well, here's the deal.
For Hakai, Hakai as an energy form, which is either used by those not fully-versed in Hakai (like Toppo) or by those intentionally nerfing their power (ex. Sidra) can both be survived AND resisted. For surviving Hakai, we have Frieza (who survived Toppo's onslaught) and Zamasu (who in the manga survived an incomplete Hakai and regenerated from it). Frieza's case is shown here:
Despite being utterly brutalized by Toppo, Frieza has shown to survive both Toppo's incomplete Hakai techniques and Toppo's passive Hakai aura.
As for Zamasu, we have this:
Which Goku said is a failure later on, as Zamasu had later survived and regenerated from it. Again, this would make it an incomplete Hakai.
But as for resisting, here is Frieza earlier on compressing an earlier, intentionally-incomplete Hakai:
A more complete Hakai looks like this:
No need for energy orbs; it just gets the job done.
However, Zeno's existence erasure has shown no evidence of anyone resisting it whatsoever. First time Zeno used it (and this is the same as in the manga, only instead of Giygas, Infinite Zamasu would instead be an endless supply of Zamasu clones), Zamasu was just... Gone-zo.:
And later on, Zeno would erase each and every universe that got eliminated, including Gods of Destruction (who should be able to utilize the same Hakai Toppo had, so they should more or less be able to handle Hakai), but not angels because the angels are at the top rung of the ladder and Zeno didn't think erasing them made sense. The first instance of such is this.:
From what I can tell, I think Zeno's Existance Erasure is only worth one layer, as while Hakai is based on power and can be resisted or survived, the weaknesses of Hakai DO NOT APPLY to Zeno's own Existence Erasure, and the difference between an incomplete Hakai and a complete Hakai are too negligible to warrant different layers on their own.
For Hakai, Hakai as an energy form, which is either used by those not fully-versed in Hakai (like Toppo) or by those intentionally nerfing their power (ex. Sidra) can both be survived AND resisted. For surviving Hakai, we have Frieza (who survived Toppo's onslaught) and Zamasu (who in the manga survived an incomplete Hakai and regenerated from it). Frieza's case is shown here:
Despite being utterly brutalized by Toppo, Frieza has shown to survive both Toppo's incomplete Hakai techniques and Toppo's passive Hakai aura.
As for Zamasu, we have this:
Which Goku said is a failure later on, as Zamasu had later survived and regenerated from it. Again, this would make it an incomplete Hakai.
But as for resisting, here is Frieza earlier on compressing an earlier, intentionally-incomplete Hakai:
A more complete Hakai looks like this:
No need for energy orbs; it just gets the job done.
However, Zeno's existence erasure has shown no evidence of anyone resisting it whatsoever. First time Zeno used it (and this is the same as in the manga, only instead of Giygas, Infinite Zamasu would instead be an endless supply of Zamasu clones), Zamasu was just... Gone-zo.:
And later on, Zeno would erase each and every universe that got eliminated, including Gods of Destruction (who should be able to utilize the same Hakai Toppo had, so they should more or less be able to handle Hakai), but not angels because the angels are at the top rung of the ladder and Zeno didn't think erasing them made sense. The first instance of such is this.:
From what I can tell, I think Zeno's Existance Erasure is only worth one layer, as while Hakai is based on power and can be resisted or survived, the weaknesses of Hakai DO NOT APPLY to Zeno's own Existence Erasure, and the difference between an incomplete Hakai and a complete Hakai are too negligible to warrant different layers on their own.
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Jozaysmith?
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Okay, so here's another case. So... I think Zeno's Existence Erasure should be one layer of Existence Erasure. The reason I say this? Well, here's the deal.
For Hakai, Hakai as an energy form, which is either used by those not fully-versed in Hakai (like Toppo) or by those intentionally nerfing their power (ex. Sidra) can both be survived AND resisted. For surviving Hakai, we have Frieza (who survived Toppo's onslaught) and Zamasu (who in the manga survived an incomplete Hakai and regenerated from it). Frieza's case is shown here:
Despite being utterly brutalized by Toppo, Frieza has shown to survive both Toppo's incomplete Hakai techniques and Toppo's passive Hakai aura.
As for Zamasu, we have this:
Which Goku said is a failure later on, as Zamasu had later survived and regenerated from it. Again, this would make it an incomplete Hakai.
But as for resisting, here is Frieza earlier on compressing an earlier, intentionally-incomplete Hakai:
A more complete Hakai looks like this:
No need for energy orbs; it just gets the job done.
However, Zeno's existence erasure has shown no evidence of anyone resisting it whatsoever. First time Zeno used it (and this is the same as in the manga, only instead of Giygas, Infinite Zamasu would instead be an endless supply of Zamasu clones), Zamasu was just... Gone-zo.:
And later on, Zeno would erase each and every universe that got eliminated, including Gods of Destruction (who should be able to utilize the same Hakai Toppo had, so they should more or less be able to handle Hakai), but not angels because the angels are at the top rung of the ladder and Zeno didn't think erasing them made sense. The first instance of such is this.:
From what I can tell, I think Zeno's Existance Erasure is only worth one layer, as while Hakai is based on power and can be resisted or survived, the weaknesses of Hakai DO NOT APPLY to Zeno's own Existence Erasure, and the difference between an incomplete Hakai and a complete Hakai are to negligible to warrant different layers on their own.
Didn't they separate manga from anime, despite that, i guess layered EE due to frieza resistance seems very logical
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Not completely. They were quite similar until Future Trunks arc, and the Tournament of Power arc was mostly different aside from the baseline of Universe 11 being the main obstacle and Jiren being the "final boss" of that arc. They split off for real in the Galactic Patrol Prisoner arc and the Granolah arc, but then met back up with each other in the Super Hero arc.
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it really is that obvious
I love how you just copypaste from the profiles lmao
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Okay, so here's another case. So... I think Zeno's Existence Erasure should be one layer of Existence Erasure. The reason I say this? Well, here's the deal.
For Hakai, Hakai as an energy form, which is either used by those not fully-versed in Hakai (like Toppo) or by those intentionally nerfing their power (ex. Sidra) can both be survived AND resisted. For surviving Hakai, we have Frieza (who survived Toppo's onslaught) and Zamasu (who in the manga survived an incomplete Hakai and regenerated from it). Frieza's case is shown here:
Despite being utterly brutalized by Toppo, Frieza has shown to survive both Toppo's incomplete Hakai techniques and Toppo's passive Hakai aura.
As for Zamasu, we have this:
Which Goku said is a failure later on, as Zamasu had later survived and regenerated from it. Again, this would make it an incomplete Hakai.
But as for resisting, here is Frieza earlier on compressing an earlier, intentionally-incomplete Hakai:
A more complete Hakai looks like this:
No need for energy orbs; it just gets the job done.
However, Zeno's existence erasure has shown no evidence of anyone resisting it whatsoever. First time Zeno used it (and this is the same as in the manga, only instead of Giygas, Infinite Zamasu would instead be an endless supply of Zamasu clones), Zamasu was just... Gone-zo.:
And later on, Zeno would erase each and every universe that got eliminated, including Gods of Destruction (who should be able to utilize the same Hakai Toppo had, so they should more or less be able to handle Hakai), but not angels because the angels are at the top rung of the ladder and Zeno didn't think erasing them made sense. The first instance of such is this.:
From what I can tell, I think Zeno's Existance Erasure is only worth one layer, as while Hakai is based on power and can be resisted or survived, the weaknesses of Hakai DO NOT APPLY to Zeno's own Existence Erasure, and the difference between an incomplete Hakai and a complete Hakai are too negligible to warrant different layers on their own.
Hakai is what 3-D/4-D?
Zeno's EE is 5D, this already eliminates the possibilities of layers since the guys are receiving higher dimensional EE.
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Layered stealth Mastery isn't a thing.
Arkenis
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I don't see why not but I figured as much.
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Is Layered Martial Arts a thing?
How about Layered Superhuman Physical Characteristics?
Oh oh, how about layered Genius Intelligence?
Arkenis
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They don't work like stealth mastery, not a good comparison. I guess its just better considered esp resist
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Stealth Mastery is just "I'm skilled at being stealthy". Martial Arts and Genius Intelligence are apt comparisons.
Arkenis
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not when they involve supernatural stuff
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