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Halo. Ur-Didact Upgrade+ Ability additions.

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VersusJunkie54

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Edit:. Posting the suggested changes here so it's the first thing people see.

Potential Stat Changes to be made.

At least 8-A. Likely Higher. | 6-A.

Attack Potentcy. At least Multi City Blocl Level. Likely Higher. (Very casually ionized a metal barrier. Can face other Prometheans on equal footing)

Striking Strength. At least Multi-City-Block level. Likely Higher. (Can fight Prometheans of similar power)

Durability. At least Multi-City-Block Level 'Likely Higher (Can fight with comparable Prometheans and Warrior Servants on equal footing)

Base | Piloting War Sphinx

Abilities.(To be added)\

Resistance to Transmutation. Also Applies to Master Chief) Energy Manipulation (Capable of creating Shockwaves from his armor) Portal Creation & Dimensional BFR (?) (Able to make little ruptures that lead to Slipstream-Space) Teleportation (Comparable to other Forerunner Warriors who were able to Teleport to other Instalations) Levitation/Restricted Flight . Reactive Evolution (Forerunners's Warrior armor could "evolve" during and after long fights) Adaptation (Forerunner armor is able to adapt to plantes eco-system, wich include High Gravity, Extreme Temperature, Radiation, etc...) Many Resistance that are already mention above and in the Forerunners page. Summoning (Can summon a gigantic army of Promethean Knights, Crawlers and Watchers that follow his command.) Immortality Type 1,3, and possibly 6) (Master Chief implied that the Didact is still alive even after being composed.) Pain Tolerance (A knife several inches through his eye didn't even faze him) Regenerationn at least High-low, Possibly Low-Mid Transmutation. With The Composer.

Lifting Strength. At least Class 10 Physically. Higher with Constraint Fields.

Potential AP upgrade. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...54/Halo_Calc._Ur-Didact_melts_a_metal_barrier

I think this is everything.
 
Constraint fields aren't used for attacking people; they're used to telepathically stun people from a distance. It is true that they can stun Didact, like it did when Cortana hacked one but it's not necessary an AP thing.

As for the durability, Didact actually was severely injured when the 2nd time Havok Nuke was used. The first time, he did escape via slipspace portal and wasn't actually hit I think. But the second time, where he fell in his ship at the end of Halo 4; he ship was destroyed by the Havok Nuke and Didact survived the explosion. He may have survived, but he was injured and needed to reconstruct his body.

The speed thing is is fine.
 
I just looked back over the scene where the Didact falls into his ship. And the one where he exits on Instalation 03. His body was smoking. But his armor was otherwise unharmed. Though if he was injured and reconstructed his body. That would imply some degree of Regenerationn. Likely Mid-Low at best.

I've also called KarmodF here. Since he's fairy knowledgeable in the Forerunners specifically. And its been well over a year since I read the Forerunner Novels.
 
Reconstruct, as in replacing damaged parts with cybernetics; I think that's how Fanof worded it, but there's also Soldier Blue to ask.
 
His 7-B durability feat is useless, he fell to the Slipspace portal before the nuke detonated.

The only feat that I remember about Warrior Forerunners are them leveling and destroying Continents, wich Sphinxes (already having a profile) have this feats, but I dont have any scans and dont remember were It actually ocurred.

Speed seems fine (Take into acount that he is comparable to Ship captains who worked on Ships with MFTL+ and Immesurable speeds, not strict scaling but experience with higher speeds are notable), I feel like is worth mention that in the Halo 4 terminals there is a part were Prometheans are able to move their weapons and aim while Lightspeed Hardlight is still in movement.

Also some hax additions:

Energy Manipulation (Capable of creating Shockwaves from his armor)

Portal Creation & Dimensional BFR (?) (Able to make little ruptures that lead to Slipstream-Space)

Teleportation (Comparable to other Forerunner Warriors who were able to Teleport to other Instalations)

Levitation/Restricted Flight

Reactive Evolution (Forerunners's Warrior armor could "evolve" during and after long fights)

Adaptation (Forerunner armor is able to adapt to plantes eco-system, wich include High Gravity, Extreme Temperature, Radiation, etc...)

Many Resistance that are already mention above and in the Forerunners page.

Possible Regenerationn (High, Master Chief implied that the Didact survived being atomaized.)

This one is exclusive to the Didact as far as I am aware of:

Summoning (Can summon a gigantic army of Promethean Knights, Crawlers and Watchers that follow his command.)

I dont know about any feat that could be calc'ed.
 
I wouldn't count out the nuke feat just yet. I mean, the shockwave might've spread through the portal. As the Didact came out of Slipspace smoking.

If that's truly unreliable. I recall that he survived a section of a Halo falling on him before he was composed. I could be wrong though.

And if all of that fails. He should be superior to the Warden Eternal who in Warzone can casually laugh off hordes of 8-C, and High 8-C weapons. (Splasers and pretty much all Forerunner Weapons, rq variants included. don't even scratch him. Same goes for the Wraith Mortar.

If the Warden can tank that much damage without issue. That's gotta be 8-B durability, albeit baseline.
 
Well, Massively FTL+ speed is their ship travel speed yes, but Immeasurable speed was already discussed and debunked repeatedly. Still, they simply operated those ships and don't necessarily pilot them Jojo style. So Combat speed and Reactions should definitely remain. At least SuperHuman is fine for regular movement speed on foot though.

Well, I addressed cutscene already, but in the end of Halo 4 where you sneak up behind him, shove a grenade in his chest, and push him down, he also falls into his ship, which is later detonated by a Havok Nuke. That's where the City level durability feat came from. And yeah, War Sphinxes are Continent level, but those are just giant mechs much stronger than the Forerunners themselves. They don't scale to Didact.

The abilities listed on Forerunner profile could possibly scale to Didact.

Edit: Multiple High 8-C weapons would still be High 8-C; we can't calc stack to get 8-B
 
I'm pretty sure only being marginally effected by hordes and hordes of those weapons would warrant such a rating. Anything lower tha At least High 8-C Likely Higher is downplaying.
 
Incinerator Cannon is the only High 8-C weapon, and maybe Spartan laser, and it only takes a few shots; which is still Large Building level durability.
 
Oh yeah, on second thought, it was the pulse grenade that severely injured Didact; not the nuke. So his durability should probably be downgraded; he did espace before slipspace exploded.

Well, the campaign is the primary canon; sadly. So I'm unsure if Warzone variants should really be considered. We don't use Linked Arena as a source for scaling Fire Emblem characters or scale Dan Hibiki to Akuma via competitive multiplayer; so I'm a little skeptical about using Warzone. And Wraith mortars were never really used on Warden Eternals. Large Building level durability is fine, but it should still be noted that their backs are a weak spot for WE's.
 
John shoved the grenade in his chest. Not his back. The Splinter grenade only seemed to momentarily stun him, not severely injure him.

This is a bit wierd because the Splinter grenade in Halo 4 and Halo 5 work completely differently. The former creates a pulse that can vaporize enemies and EMP vehicles. While the latter creates a bunch of floating charges that are best for area denial iirc.

I'm inclined to call the Splinter grenade stunnig the Didact more related to hax, rather than AP.
 
I meant Warden Eternals have a weak spot on their back; not Didact. And it was the Pulse Grenade shoved up Didact's chest, not the Splinter grenade; those are different. Pulse Grenade would be in the 8-C to High 8-C range; and more likely the latter as it does ionize spartans and could do the same to foes bigger than Spartans.
 
KarmodF said:
VersusJunkie54 said:
I'm inclined to call the Splinter grenade stunnig the Didact more related to hax, rather than AP.
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Or just Plot-Induced Stupidity, he survived shots from the Scattershot and a charged Boltshot to the face without even being stunned.
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Yeah, I'd prefer PIS. In fact most of the Didact's scenes involve PIS against him. He should've ******* destroyed Blue Team, and MC. But for obvious reasons they won.
 
Well, if the "PIS" is really that consistent/frequent, it becomes more like CIS. Also, Halo 4 wasn't that bad of a game; especially compared to Halo 5 or ODST.
 
Halo 4 had a legitimately good story. PIS and CIS aside. The Multiplayer was trash. Halo 5 is the reverse imo.

Again even if it is CIS. The Splinter grenade is more likley to be hax. Since it does have some sort of EMP effect irc.
 
No, is more like "PIS" moments and most of his apperance in the Comicbooks are more on the CIS spectrum since he doesnt want to kill a bunch of Spartans when he murdered more than a Billion harmless people.

Anyway, any Hax additions?
 
All of those new abilities look fine except for the Regenerationn thing. He was more so ionized, not atomized; which is basically between vaporization and atomization. Even if he regenerated, it be Mid-High, not High. Still, I don't think he actually regenerated his body from that. It's more so his mind/memory lived without the body and then there was a programmed that contained his body. So Immortality Type 2 would be more like it.

Speaking of which, I'm surprised he doesn't have immortality type 1 already.
 
The High/ Mid High regen is wank. Mid is more likely since he seemed to be unaffected by a knife being thrusted into his eye, through his brain.
 
Mid Regen is growing your head back after it was cut off. Anyway, as I mentioned earlier; I don't thing Ur-Didact has regen. Yes, he was mostly unaffected by being stabbed in the eye, but that's not Regenerationn. That's just durability mixed with pain tolerance.

Anyway, I did mention earlier that it is possible that Didact can possibly survive without a body and transfer his mind to a robot of some sort.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Mid Regen is growing your head back after it was cut off. Anyway, as I mentioned earlier; I don't thing Ur-Didact has regen. Yes, he was mostly unaffected by being stabbed in the eye, but that's not Regenerationn. That's just durability mixed with pain tolerance.
Anyway, I did mention earlier that it is possible that Didact can possibly survive without a body and transfer his mind to a robot of some sort.
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I imagine that Forerunners would have some degree of regen. I think we could settle for Mid-Low at the least?

The Didact could probably trasnfer his mind into a Warden Eternal body. (Why 343I didn't do this with Halo 5 is beyond me >_>)
 
I mean they regenerated from fights were parts of their body were Ionize I dont see why Mid-High is "wanked".
 
@Karmod

Regen doesn't care how the part was destroyed, but how much of your body that's left you can regenerate from.

Regenerating an ionized arm would just be Low-Mid.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Karmod

Regen doesn't care how the part was destroyed, but how much of your body that's left you can regenerate from.

Regenerating an ionized arm would just be Low-Mid.
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It was the complete body, If I remember correctly Ionization>Vaporization, so Mid- High?
 
I need context on this. Since Ever and I have been a little skeptical about this.

Do you have scans or official excerpts?
 
Didact never regenerated his body; his body was never ever restored when his body got ionized. What happened is that his mind lived without a body and then his mind got trapped within the Composer Forge. It sounds more like he has the ability to transfer his mind into technological constructs. Not sure what the word for said ability is, but he definitely doesn't have regen any higher than let's say Low-Mid.

And yeah, some of the Halo profiles were pretty wanked in the past. I slowly but surely fixed parts of Master Chief's profile and his stats are good now; but yeah, I'm in the process of removing all of the links to Halo Natio and putting his various weapons and equipment in tabbers. As seen in one of my blogs. The Forerunner, Flood, and Precursor profiles are still a mess though.
 
@Dragon

I was going to look into Halo to try and fix them, but got really sidetracked.

If you can, can you message me on my wall for all the stuff I should look at? Besides the games, of course.
 
Reppuzan said:
Do you have scans or official excerpts?
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Here, that is how Ionization looks (He was Ionized by the Halo), or well, at least in Halo, in the same comic Chief says that he hasnt been stopped and in a Halo Adult Coloring Book is hinted that he is still alive, but nothing has been 100% confirmed, thats why is Possible Regenerationn.

EDIT: He wasnt composed.

The Everlasting said:
I was going to look into Halo to try and fix them, but got really sidetracked.
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I am fixing the Forerunners profile, I know what you think but I will try to not make any big changes in the Tiering.
 
Both Master Chief and The Didact can resist the Composer. Would that be some sort of resistance, if any?

Edit: I edited in the Didact's travel speed being superior to MC on his profile. Since its pretty straightforward and agreed that it is the case.
 
VersusJunkie54 said:
Both Master Chief and The Didact can resist the Composer. Would that be some sort of resistance, if any?
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The Composer destroys (Ionize really) the physical body and transfers the consciousness to another Composed Body (Promethean Knights).

I dont think It can apply to any resistance.
 
So what changes can we agree to here?

Any more abilities or resistances that should be added or the like?

The Didact's durability will be downgraded. But I think it should be 8-B. Base Warden Eternal variants in Warzone can tank shots from Wraith mortars. When amped with a X2 damage booster, witch would yield 8-B AP. There's no reason to think the campaighn Warden Eternals shouldn't be comparable at least to the Warzone one. So at least 8-B dura for likely being superior to the Warden Eternal.

Now lifting strength via teleknesis....

The Didact casually threw Chief with it several dozen meters or so. I'm inclined to say that's above class 10. But Higher via contraint fields should do.

I still think resisting the Composer should warrant some kind of resistance though. It feels kinda dumb not too.
 
Hmm, for those resistances and abilities, not quite certain. Mid-High regen is a definite no, but Immortality type 6 might work instead. The other abilities mentioned above alright.

Warzone is just a game mode; not quite canon. It's best to stick to what's seen in the campaign; which Wraith Mortars were never used against the Warden Eternals. There's a reason we don't scale Akuma to Dan Hibiki, and Linked Arena feats are also rejected for Fire Emblem. I really don't want to go back to High 6-A and Relativistic Fire Emblem Fodder. But using Warzone variants of Warden Eternals is pretty much the same thing.

Additionally, Wraith Mortars are nerfed compared to the book counterparts; Wraith Mortars are typically capable of wiping out like 10 Spartans with one attack. Also, I don't think 2x Attack multiplier doesn't multiply the attacks of vehicles; just weapons they carry. Cyberdemon only scales to the regular BFG 9000 and not the Quad Multiplier for similar reasons. But High 8-C might be reasonable for their durability.

Lifting strength is good, and yes, it's likely much higher than John's.

Composer's not really an attack but more so it transforms biological life into Computer AIs. Didact possibly has resistance, but I it looks more like Cortana protected John from it; so if there is any sort of resistance, I don't think it should scale to John.
 
No. Cortana was not even in the Chief's systems when the Composer fired. And it was explicitly shown that the Librarian granted him immunity to it.

Did you not read what I wrote? It's the base variant of the Warden. There's no reason to think it wouldn't be comparable. Warzone firefight's base difficulty is Heroic. So the Heroic campaign warden should be comarable. You'd have a point if I was mentioning the special, mythic warzone variants. But these are the regular base forms I'm talking about.......

Again, wrong. X2 multiplier does apply to Vehicles. I literally play Halo 5 regularly. So I know.

If not 8-B. Anything less than High 8-C+ is downplay.
 
Perhaps some resistance to Data Manipulation?

I did read what you type'd, but, it's still a non-canon multiplayer mode. Just because Aureola uses the same animation in linked arena and characters can dodge it, we do not use it to scale to Fire Emblem characters. So we should not be using any feats seen in Warzone. Difficulty settings is a game mechanics, so that's also irrelevant. Legendary portrays Spartans as being physically weaker than Unggoy, who are weaker than normal humans, so that's not really a good argument either.

And okay, I've been busy with many other things and I play a wide variety of video games; so my memory isn't always perfect, but still. 2x multiplier is still a game mechanic of doing 2x damage. Which is not the same thing as using joules of energy; that would be Calc Stacking.

So just High 8-C scaling from the Incinerator cannon is the best that can be aloud; and please stop being so quick to call everything downplay. Skepticism =/= downplay, and civilization is important on the wiki.
 
Alright, in that case, I suppose Large Building level+ is alright.
 
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