Hades VS Complete Arceus

[Primaris_Brian]

Since now hades has legit 2-C in every stats, so I decide to create a rematch, This battle happen in a neutral multiverse and with the speed was equalized since otherwise Arceus blitz.

-Arceus: 8 Votes

-Hades: 2 Votes

-Inconclusive: 1

Who win?



"Death is the Absolute Salvation..."


Get wrecked by PIS is the Absolute Salvation....

 

[KazarianFahs]

We have not seen an higher end for complete arceus(or even mid end for that matter),and even incomplete arceus is borderline almost a solid 2C,complete arceus has headroom for a higher tier,but we will probably never get such feats,Also arceus is beyond concepts,such as willpower,knowledge,existence,non existence,space,time and practically all the concepts that we can comprehend since he created all those concepts in the first place and exists beyond them.And all attacks i see on hades's profile depends on similar concepts that simply don't apply to arceus.but hades has acausality,so the question is,is arceus's conceptual manipulation strong enough to override hades's acausality? i think it is since arceus is at least 2C with potential to be higher,while hades is a solid 2c.so for the time being,i am voting for arceus.PS-i am unfamiliar with SS.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I will say Arceus for reasons Kazarian stated.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Hades is hax but arceus is on a whole other level, arceus conceptual manipulation basically makes it so hades can't do anything to it conceptual manipulation is broken as hell because everything is a concept unless you're beyond concepts you're screwed against it and hades isn't beyond concepts at this point.

 

[LlamaGod1411]

Arceus.

Arceus is Atleast MultiUniverse Level, while Hades, is MultiUniversal.

Arceus's Conceptual Manipulation is hax as ****, due to it creating the very Embodiments of Space, Time, Antimatter & whatever the Lake Trio stood for.

If iirc, Arceus can negate some of Hades's attacks too~


So yea, Arceus~

 

[Cropfist]

I'm unsure about Arceus having concept manipulation but I think this is inconclusive since they both have great hax. Leaning towards Arceus if anything since he could be stronger depending on how many universes there are in Pokemon.

 

[LlamaGod1411]

^ Why does Arceus not have Conceptual Manipulation?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It says on his page that he has conceptual manipulation, anyway side note havent seen pokemon in a long while what atacks can arceus plates negate again? I dont remember

 

[KazarianFahs]

Arceus got ooooooooooooool da plates XD but seriously arceus has a plate of every pokemon type that there is i.e. 17 plates which includes stuff like psychic,ghost,dark,steel,fighting etc etc so psychic plate negates all mental attacks such as hypnosis,telepathy,telekinesis etc etc ghost plate negates soul absorption/manipulation and other plates do similar stuff,which combined with arceus's immeasureable speed,should be able to react to whatever kind of attack hades is using and whip out a plate that can counter it,if hades can move at all,since a quantifiable speed is infinitely smaller than arceus's speed which is immeasureable/infinite speed since he isn't bound by the concept of space and time hence he is not bound by concept of speed,to him(complete arceus) hades will probably appear as frozen in place and time

 

[LlamaGod1411]

@Celestial

Plates : http://www.ign.com/wikis/pokemon-omega-ruby-alpha-sapphire/How_To_Find_All_Arceus_Plates


If I'm not wrong.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Oh ok wow there are fairy type pokemon now lol haven't kept up with the new stuff.

 

[LlamaGod1411]

Yea.

I'm not keeping up much either. I just read through stuff.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Fairy types are new to the series they were used for balancing Dragons, Steel and Poison types.

And Fairy Types I assume are Magic or Lunar based..

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

Conceptual manipulation comes from lake trio+creation trio which was overlooked he has creation but destruction so it's hardly any useless in combat unlike madoka who could erase a concept

With godly regen there's not much he can do against Hades who can simply come back and erase his existence across universes w/o him even knowing it

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Conceptual manipulation comes from lake trio+creation trio which was overlooked he has creation but destruction so it's hardly any useless in combat unlike madoka who could erase a concept

It's highly unlikely Arceus can't erase the concepts that it created, especially as the Lake and Creation Trio all can.

In actuality, the Creation Trio and Lake Trio are all aspects of Arceus.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

In character I don't see him doing any of that even if he had it he just uses his regular move set unless it's prime arceus who created them maybe ?

That said Hades techniqually could kill him fairly easily with his life and death manipulation unlike Arceus

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

This is Complete Arceus, who hardly uses its moveset at all (even when it should) instead almost completely relying on its hax and special abilities.

The first thing it did when it got back its plates in the anime was perform some extravagant displays of Telekinesis, erase several things from existence and stop time.

It's very in character for Arceus to use hax. In the games and manga it seems very fond of bfr'ing enemies to different Universes and defensively creating its own pocket dimensions that protect it from attacks.

I don't think Life and Death manipulation would work on Arceus. See note under its page.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I have to go with the majority here. Arceus actually haxxes out the SS character, and it isn't ooc for him to do that.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

Could you give me an example of complete Arceus using anything else but his move set or his plates for anything than negation?

Edit: Nvm I saw it

Those are impressive but nothing Hades would have to fear he fought ppl with and has dunamis and could create and revert anything to nothingness by Will alone including space times which should be above any existence erasure Arceus has shown

Also Arceus can die actually that's pretty much why ash and co were dissapearing in jewel of life because he was dying

Hades has better TK than Arceus w/o his true body

Hades also has better reality warping feats

I'll post some scans once I get my computer back

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

If arceus can indeed destroy concepts and does do so in character then it doesn't what existence erasal or reality warping or TK or whatever other feats hades has shown all of those are concepts unless he has been shown to be beyond concepts then he can't win that's just how broken of a power conceptual manipulation is.

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

How would Arceus beat Hades with conceptual manipulation when the concept of cosmos is beyond anything he can do as its what created the verse and its countless universes/timelines?

 

[Akuto_Sai12]

Be back busy atm later

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I don't think you fully realize how broken of an ability conceptual manipulation is it can be used to do virtual anything it, it might sound like an NLF but that just because the ability is that broken and unless you are beyond concepts you can't beat it. Now just like all other abilities we can't ascribe feats which characters haven't showcase so clearly i won't be saying something like it can be used to do literally "anything" as that would make it seem omnipotent though when you get to advance reality warping conceptually manipulation is a default.

Think of it like this you have characters like hades who can reality warp and you have characters like arceus who i am assuming can based on the info i see in here, use conceptual manipulation. Conceptual manipulation>>>>>reality warping as a default at the lower levels of tiering but once you hit like tier 1 everyone has like an advanced form of reality warping that includes conceptual manipulation as a default as you don't see that ability in those tiers.

Conceptual manipulation and causality manipulation are higher forms of reality warping that beat the normal reality warping but that doesn't apply to the upper tiers as their reality warping basically is like the next step to reality warping after conceptual manipulation and causality manipulation. Anyway normal reality warping can't beat conceptual manipulation (assuming both have showcased similar feats)

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I feel I should mention, in character Arceus wouldn't destroy the concepts himself, he would create the entities to do it (because it's a canonically lazy bastard) which is the absolute worse scenario, in which case Hades would have Arceus, three lesser Multi-Universe level entities and several Universe level+ entities to deal with simultaneously.

 

[Victor2]

hades is indeed beyond concepts

thanatos could manipulate the concept of death, tokisada maipulates time

both can`t do anything to hades

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

hades is indeed beyond concepts
thanatos could manipulate the concept of death, tokisada maipulates time

both can`t do anything to hades

That does not show Hades is beyond concepts. It shows he is beyond the concepts of death and time.

Cthulhu is beyond the concept of death. This does not mean he is beyond all concepts.

 

[Victor2]

That does not show Hades is beyond concepts. It shows he is beyond the concepts of death and time.

Cthulhu is beyond the concept of death. This does not mean he is beyond all concepts.

i know just pointing out few that hades is beyond of it

 

[Sir_Ovens]

I'm placing my vote on Arceus. Hades does not have the same level of Hax Arceus has. He can probably beat Hades low-difficulty.

 

[RadicalMrR]

After reading what other people have said I will side with Arceus because he seems to have the bigger bag of tricks

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Ok, I have requested this as a victory.

 

[Aparajita]

I know this has been resolved, but i vote for Arecus for the reasons that have already been stated.