Guys Patrick isn't even Human Level

[Pokémon_Trainer_Jacob]

Patrick couldn't escape the "Cyclops" (aka the human in the Spongebob Squarepants movie that ISN'T David Hasslehof) nor could he do anything to stop the "Cyclops", he couldn't do anything against Kevin (That's the name of the fish that Plankon sent after Spongebob and Patrick in the movie right?), and is inferior to Sandy who is a squirrel.

Maybe I shouldn't be trying to use logic in Spongebob, but none of the main characters in the Spongebob Universe are even Human Level due to sheer size.

 

[Ryukama]

Coincidentally, a huge amount of staff were discussing the Spongebob stats a few days ago (I won't list names unless they want to comment here. But it was around 4 admins including myself and 2 mods)

And we all agreed that the current Spongebob stats are pretty ridiculous and should be changed to "Unknown." or something else rather than Town level.

I personally always was not fond of the idea of using a stock explosion as proof for Town level when the destruction that actually was shown was explicitly nowhere near that scale (destroying only the Krusty Krab in the Spot case)

As well as Bikini Bottom again being a place for small fish. A place where a pinapple is a two story building.

Spongebob may not always have consistency (which is why I'd be fine with a simple "Unknown") but in practically every incarnation they are always meant to be greatly dwarfed by regular humans, minus the mutated Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy.

There's the two Spongebob Movies, the time Sandy dared the cast to go on land, the time spongebob was used by a human as an actual sponge, or the fact that in literally every episode Spongebob starts off inside of a pinapple.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

Interesting, I will be following this thread.

 

[Pokémon_Trainer_Jacob]

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That's why they shouldn't be put as unknown, but more of "Below Average Human Level" as that would be the most consistent tier to put them in.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

For the longest time, I'd always wondered how they were this small, I mean look at pearl and mermaid man and barnacle boy or even sandy cheeks. They are supposed to be normal size when they exit water, yet they are roughly the same size as everyone.SpongeBob is so beyond inconsistent with its height, that I think unknown would probably be safe to apply.

 

[LordAizenSama]

I would also put the spongebob profiles at unknown until someone finds a actual good reason for their tiers.

 

[Pokémon_Trainer_Jacob]

For the longest time, I'd always wondered how they were this small, I mean look at pearl and mermaid man and barnacle boy or even sandy cheeks. They are supposed to be normal size when they exit water, yet they are roughly the same size as everyone.SpongeBob is so beyond inconsistent with its height, that I think unknown would probably be safe to apply.

Probably. Seriously though what the heck is with Pearl, Mermaid Man, and Barnacle Boy? Although it seems Unknown is what's being agreed upon.

Personally, I think we should list the tier as "Unknown, likely 10-C" considering (as I said before) that they couldn't defeat the Cyclops.

 

[Ryukama]

Mermaid Man and Barnacle boy can at least have some justification since they are mutated humans given one of the episodes explaining their origin story IIRC.

However I too have no idea how a supposed whale can fit inside a pinapple.

Spongebob may be heavily inconsistent, but almost every showing is portrayed as a varying level of 10-C, minus some higher things which are certainly not Town level though.

I think Unknown or simply deleting their profiles will be best, unless we want to make some Marvel/Pokemon style guideline for them and calc the higher things.

 

[Pokémon_Trainer_Jacob]

Mermaid Man and Barnacle boy can at least have some justification since they are mutated humans given one of the episodes explaining their origin story IIRC.
However I too have no idea how a supposed whale can fit inside a pinapple.

Spongebob may be heavily inconsistent, but almost every showing is portrayed as a varying level of 10-C, minus some higher things which are certainly not Town level though.

I think Unknown or simply deleting their profiles will be best, unless we want to make some Marvel/Pokemon style guideline for them and calc the higher things.

I say if we can't go "Unknown, Likely 10-C", we'd probably need to delete them due to the inconsistencies and their difficulty to place (in terms of a tier).

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

They're iconic enough to have profiles, but they're definitely not where they should be due to hilarious outliers. The only superhuman thing about them is their speed and toonforce.

 

[Ryukama]

They're iconic enough to have profiles, but they're definitely not where they should be due to hilarious outliers. The only superhuman thing about them is their speed and toonforce.

I agree their notability warrants them profiles, but not if they are too hard to evaluate due to their inconsistencies.

And these aren't even outliers. The feats listed on the profiles are straight up not Town level.

Unknown until we decide how to rate them and calc different showings seems to be our best option, and it was an option 6 staff members agreed upon in chat just a few days ago.

 

[Pokémon_Trainer_Jacob]

They're iconic enough to have profiles, but they're definitely not where they should be due to hilarious outliers. The only superhuman thing about them is their speed and toonforce.

I agree their notability warrents them profiles, but not if they are too hard to evealuate due to their inconsistencies.
And these aren't even outliers. The feats listed on the profiles are straight up not Town level.

Unknown until we decide how to rate them and calc different showings seems to be our best option, and it was an option 6 staff members agreed upon in chat just a few days ago.

Works for me

 

[Professor_Voodoo]

I'd say Unknown myself given the way the cartoons run. While not as extreme as Looney Tunes (though exceptions exist), the series relies too much on cartoon logic that actual logic is not exactly a priority....

Examples

• Squidward alternating between getting burned, cut in half, growing excess eyes, and being skinned alive thanks to SpongeBob misusing the Mermabelt

• Campfires happening underwater

• Dennis punching the main Thug Tug rough so hard, the Thug Tug sunk ala The Titanic

• SpongeBob walking into Sandy's treedome, showing no ill effects until a bit later on for sheer plot convenience

• SpongeBob struggling and failing to lift a stick with 2 Marshmallows in one episode, failing to be able to move a drinking straw in another, and then being able to lift mailboxes and beds in other episodes

I'll think of more....

 

[Antvasima]

"Unknown. Varies between 10-C on average, and ... at his/her peak" seems like the best option.

 

[Grudgeman1706]

I also agree with antvasimas proposal.

 

[Pokémon_Trainer_Jacob]

"Unknown. Varies between 10-C on average, and ... at his/her peak" seems like the best option.

I agree with it.

 

[Ryukama]

Since there is a big consensus by staff and other users that the 7-C ratings are not okay, I have revised the profiles as such:

Main Cast (Spongebob, Patrick, Squidward, Sandy, Plankton) were given an "Unknown. Varies between 10-C on average to higher at his/her peak"

This "higher" can be replaced with an actual rating if someone calcs the higher feats, though I believe this will suffice for now.

One off villains/characters or those who had their ratings for overpowering main cast once were given a straight up "Unknown."

I also changed their speed stats to "Unknown." as there was little to no justification for their Superhuman ratings. If we can find better feats I will change that as well.

 

[Antvasima]

Couldn't we simply have kept the 7-C ratings as their maximums?

 

[Ryukama]

The 7-C ratings were from destroying a town inhabited by tiny fish where pinapples are the size of two story buildings.

Or the usage of stock footage nuke explosions despite the actual destruction that really happened on screen and within the story explicitly being nowhere remotely close to that scope.

A bunch of the staff agreed that the size of Bikini Bottom is too small to constitute a Town level rating through destroying it. And that was the major issue being discussed in this thread in the first place.

If someone could calculate the true size of Bikini Bottom and the level destroying it would be, perhaps we could then have something for their peaks.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Never mind then.

 

[FanofRPGs]

Has there been statements of the population for Bikini Bottom, and what city it is based on?

 

[Ultima_Reality]

there is a episode where Spongebob along with Patrick travel to bikini botom of the past, it says the number of bikini bottom population

 

[Ultima_Reality]

And Spongebob stated that it has 39 inhabitants

 

[WeeklyBattles]

there is a episode where Spongebob along with Patrick travel to bikini botom of the past, it says the number of bikini bottom population

That was back when bikini bottom was a small village. There was an episode where Spongebob left bikini bottom and he erased himself from the population count, cant remember what episode tho...

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Its kinda funny, the population has varied from 538 to over 1,000,000...

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

This could help, although the exact amount is unclear.

 

[Ryukama]

Spongebob Wiki actually has a rather in depth analysis on Bikini Bottom's population, and like everything else in the show, it's highly inconsistent.

EDIT: Got ninja'd by Colonel

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

EDIT: Got ninja'd by Colonel

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[Ultima_Reality]

Shouldn´t Bikini Bottom be just a really big aquarium in terms of size?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Colonel I ninjaed both of yall

 

[Colonel_Krukov]

WO4h, S10w d0Wn bR0!

I do remember some other feats if anyone's interested, but they may be outliers.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Since these are cartoon characters we're talking about here, I feel like we could be a bit nicer with how we demand consistency. Not defending the Town Level rating, though.