Gurren Lagann: Anti-Spiral durability upgrade

[JustSomeWeirdo]

After looking at his profile, I noticed that anti-spiral has a durability of Multi Galaxy level, yet there's problems with this.

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (post IBB storm) wasn't able to defeat Granzemboa, which shouldn't have been a problem when it's AP is so much higher, Granzemboa was even able to tank a significant amount of attacks whithout showing any real damage.

 

[AquaWaifu]

it has universe+

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

That's Super Granzemboa, not regular Granzemboa, which is what I'm talking about in the OP

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Post Infinity Big Bang Storm Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann was still beaten by Granzemboa

If Granzemboa was only Multi Galaxy level in durability then it would've been destroyed by the Tengen Toppa Giga Drill Breaker, instead the drill was broken and then Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann was destroyed, then the previous mechs were destroyed along with it except for Lagann, which was thrown. TTGL was Low 2-C at this point, meaning it should've EASILY destroyed Granzemboa if it was merely Multi Galaxy level in durability.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Bump

 

[Lina_Shields]

Will respond soon. I distinctly remember that the TTGL and the Granzeboma clasheing evenly with Granzeboma even after TTGL post-absorption however.

 

[Antvasima]

This does seem like a problem. I would appreciate more community input.

 

[NotEvenHuman]

IIRC, Granzemboa was pretty much stomping TTGL before the big bang, and was fighting evenly with it after that happened, so this seems fine to me.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Yea, Granzemboa was curbstomping TTGL pre-IBB storm and they were around even (With Granzemboa still being superior) after it

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Also, shouldn't Granzemboa's AP be upgraded to match Post Infinity Big Bang Storm TTGL? Since Granzemboa was actually stronger

 

[Lina_Shields]

Granzeboma should be rated straight-up Low 2-C for matching TTGL after absorbing the Big Bang Storm. This would include AP and durability as well. This would also mean that the Anti-Spiral would not even be phased by any of TTGL's attacks.

However, the gap between Low 2-C and 3-B in terms of power is basically infinite. It would make more sense in terms of context if the Big Bang Storm was rated 3-A however.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Maybe a key could be made seeing how AS tends to go on a somewhat equal level (albeit still above) against his opponents in 1v1 (Well....1 mech v 1 mech...)

 

[Antvasima]

@Lina Well, the problem here seems to be that the TTGL series does not make a particular distinction between 3-A and Low 2-C, much like plenty of other franchises. The member The living tribunal1 is eventually going to suggest a revision of our system in this regard.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Just wondering if the Anti-Spiral's Infinite Big Bang Storm has any mention of space-time continuum creation/destruction at any moment throughout the series.

This is because Pre-Crisis Superman is rated 3-A for busting something that withstood the big bang as well, but no mention of space-time was involved.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I am not aware of the specifics in this case, but creating a universal continuum is currently usually rated as Low 2-C.

 

[Joseph619]

Just wondering if the Anti-Spiral's Infinite Big Bang Storm has any mention of space-time continuum creation/destruction at any moment throughout the series.
This is because Pre-Crisis Superman is rated 3-A for busting something that withstood the big bang as well, but no mention of space-time was involved.

No, infinity big bang storm has energy equivalent to big bang. The attack itself doesn't mention space-time, nor it creates a new universe. It's just energy projection

 

[Lina_Shields]

Then shouldn't the feat itself be 3-A instead of Low 2-C? There is no space-time involved in the feat, after all.

 

[Joseph619]

Then shouldn't the feat itself be 3-A instead of Low 2-C? There is no space-time involved in the feat, after all.

Yes. Here are the scans which might have been misinterpreted for low 2-C

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Perhaps the statistic should be changed to 3-A then.

At least unless DarkLK would accept that "between the 10th and 11th dimension" statement.

 

[Lina_Shields]

I am okay with this suggestion, although would this affect the STTGL and Super Granzeboma's tiering as well?

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know enough about TTGL to say. Sorry.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, I don't quite recall anything refering to a space time continuem, so I'm okay with Infinite Big Bang Storm being 3-A. I'm only familiar with the anime, so I don't know anything about STTGL among other things from the movie or other secondary canon sources.

 

[Joseph619]

So have the changes been made?

 

[Joseph619]

Yeah, I don't quite recall anything refering to a space time continuem, so I'm okay with Infinite Big Bang Storm being 3-A. I'm only familiar with the anime, so I don't know anything about STTGL among other things from the movie or other secondary canon sources.

Don't worry about STTLG, it's non canon

 

[Lina_Shields]

I will check the changes. The profiles that need to be changed are:

• Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Mech)
• Anti-Spiral
• Simon the Digger
• Lord Genome after Big Bang absorption

Are we in agreement with this?

 

[Joseph619]

You can link the pictures I posted above to the profiles for reference

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that seems fine, yes.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Changes have been made. This means that

• TTGL is now Universe level with the Infinity Big Bang Storm absorbed
• Anti-Spiral is now flat-out Universe level
• A key for both the series and movies have been added for Simon the Digger
• Lord Genome is now Universe level after absorbing the Big Bang Storm

That would be all.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks for the help.

 

[Joseph619]

There is no reasoning for Super Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann's Low 2-C stats. Why is he Low 2C again?

 

[Lina_Shields]

I believe it's because of the Anti-Spiral containing and maintaining an entire space-time continuum inside his body, as well as STTGL causing the entirety of space-time to literally warp around him.

Then again, STTGL/Super Grand Zamboa follows an entirely different continuity altogether, so someone who has watched the movies in detail may expand on this subject.

 

[Joseph619]

You sure anti spiral had entire universes in his body? I don't remember it. I will watch the movie again soon.

 

[Lina_Shields]

I believe DarkLK mentioned something about space-time continuums being mentioned in a guidebook. However, I will watch the movie again to see if this is true or not.

 

[Joseph619]

STTLG page is very poorly made overall, it needs major updating. if DarkLk can provide with the guidebook scan it will be good for reference

 

[Reppuzan]

@Joseph619

TheEverlasting is also a huge fan of the series, so he would also be a great source of input.