Hold on. You misunderstood what Mad Dog is saying.I removed it here as well:
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Well, we try to avoid controversy as much as possible, so we can work more seamlessly in collaboration without recurrent hostility due to hurt feelings.
This is definitely the preferable option, yes. It seems as though the majority of this thread had people agreeing with the notion of just listing their gender and nothing else, so I think this will appease the majority of people here.
The problem is Fuji is saying it isn’t a inherently offensive thing for what is being stated in the profile. Also technically speaking I am pretty sure the guidelines still applies to all fandom pages
Okay then. I have informed our Fandom wiki representative about this. He has yet to respond though.
I am just point out something. Trans gender technically don’t correlate with biological sex… There is even evidence of this in the past so it is not something you inherently born with necessarily.
Anyway, about this...
Ant was aware of that. See here:
He is merely trying to use the most broadly accessible terms to please as many people as possible. Nobody will be offended if we merely list trans characters as their gender, but a small handful of people may be upset at the use of AMAB/AFAB.
Actually I will prefer if what exactly are the ppl’s actual stances about this as by definition and according to Wikipedia.
HammerStrikes219, I am aware of that you have a history of serious mental illness, so you do not understand social or cultural contexts very well, but this is considered an extremely sensitive and explosive topic in society currently, so to avoid getting in trouble, it seems safest if you try to not accidentally cause any problems for yourself or others here.
I understand. But right now, there seems to being some confusion here as what exactly are staff members and regular members’s stance on this as it is kinda annoying to sort out these comments.
Surgery has 0 relation to being transgender. Even ignoring those who choose not to undergo surgery, many trans people lack the funds or legal safety in order to undergo surgery. What you are saying here can essentially be boiled down to "poor people and those living in countries with transphobic laws cannot be transgender". Furthermore, there are still many ways to transition without surgery, such as hormone replacement therapy, voice training, or even things as simple as a change in self-presentation and pronouns.
What? I not saying that at all. The point is anyone can been a transgender as well.
As someone pointed out earlier, we can and do alter certain parts of character profiles for the sake of being tactful in regards to certain topics. This is one of those cases, I believe.
If we're going to wait, I think that the page should be reverted back to what it was before until we have an official answer.
That seems best, yes.
I'm fine with being tactful. I was the one who edited Yamato's page in the first place to be compliant with Fandom's guidelines. What is being done right now is too strict and information is being removed unnecessarily.
Let's wait with that please. It might be labelled transphobic if we do so, and I have no interest in seeing our community quickly decimated by Fandom, which is a part of Silicon Valley, especially as it isn't a big issue if a few of our pages are affected in this manner.
Yeah, I agree with this as this is being too overly strict about one’s own gender.
I can assure you, it will not be labelled as transphobic. It's Fandom's own guidelines. They'd have to ban themselves.
https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Gender_Identity_Guidelines#General_Style_Guide
Okay. I suppose that you can probably undo the most recent changes that I made to the three pages in question that I linked to above then.
I agree, and by this I mean recover the profiles back to this timestamp (Revision as of 21:12, 12 August 2022 according to VBW clock) as this is before Ant sent a request for the Fandom staff to evaluate.
I have listed those latest revision before Ant sent a request:
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I updated my post above.
The real risk is when we are asking them the Fandom Central staff to evaluate on the appropriateness of certain character's presentation format, then change the presentation format mid-progress. This is like destroying evidence in a court trial and persuade the judge to make a judgement in favour of a certain side.
Also corrected this comment of my own as it was a mistake on my part. Anyway, time to wait then
Aren't you the person that literally has a screenshot posted around Discord equivalent to "we can literally ignore valid feats as long as it pleases 3 staff members"?
I suggest we close the thread for now until then.
Why because you happen to agree on those certain aspects since it matches your vision? What about my vision, Damage? There is no "us" or "we" here, if you're arguing against sensibilities of others in a trivial a field as gender and acting like irrelevant accuracy there is crucial over basic respectfulness, you'd better make sure you have actually voiced opinions in your support so people actually know which person is being this ridiculous publicly.
Then why are you insistent on the character's biological sex to be listed?
Stop nulling multiple pages addressing why it's insensitive to label a character this way and instead hyperfocusing on your nonsensical version of accuracy.
