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Considering this thread is pretty dead at this point, I think that a new one is in order.
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(Also add this scan supporting Bill destroying reality to his AP. Said scan should also be added to his Mind Manipulation as Bill replaced the word "Burden" with "Sea Otter" in Ford's mind)
Infinite speed feat addition?
The argument was already tried here, but was rejected due to the Weirdmageddon lacking proofs of affecting speed. Well, no more!
Going back on the feat, we all know that the Dimensional Rift would have destroyed the fabric of existence with a giant explosion. This would be already infinite speed due to the Nightmare Realm being an infinite-sized Bulk space that encompasses within itself an infinite multiverse.
Bill should be comparable to the Rift due to him not only having created the Rift, but also having his powers linked to and empowered from the Rift, other than also sustaining it, as when he dies, the Rift also disappears along with all of its effects, implying some UES kind of stuff going on here. This is further shown that Bill initially could fight evenly, with Bill later straight up blitzing Time Baby once empowered by the rift. This implies a speed increase too.
This won't affect his current speed as it's Immeasurable, but it's a nice addition nontheless (especially given that Mario characters are infinite off the same argument lol).
TLDR
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- The updated cosmology blog (yes it's a new one, will update depending on how the thread goes), which elaborates on:
- The main multiverse, despite still being 2-A, possibly High 1-C, has slighty more solid basis on the latter, due to these aliens being straight up being called 7-Dimensional, other than Bill also relating additional spatial dimensions to additional directions of movement, hinting more that said 11-D dimensions are inhabitable and not just compactified (prolly should become a "likely" now).
- There is more information about the Mindscape, due to it also housing ideas, which can also be immortalized humans who are remembered forever in the story of humanity due to their stories.
- There's not just a Nightmare Realm, but infinitely more of them as Hypertimelines, due to infinite variations of it existing, which are also called directly as timelines from both Bill and Time Baby. Due to the Nightmare Realm already using infinite universes, each being a different space-time continuum, the only logical conclusion is for each Nightmare Realm to also have a higher temporal dimension that encompasses all these space-times, making it not just a +1 compared to the multiverse, but actually a +2, hence each Nightmare Realm is a 1-C, possibly 1-B structure with 1 level of dimensionality higher (aka 6-D to 13-D). This is similar to how Kingdom Heart's Ocean Between had also a +2 compared to the cosmology, thus being a 6D structure (before being reduced to a +1 due to strictier standards regarding being bigger than Tier 2 structures while still having the Higher time dimension valid).
- Added more things that are relatively minor, like Theraprism or the Astral Plane, which are still minor compared to the whole thing, but worth to mention nontheless.
- There's the infamous "feat" of Pre-Weirdmageddon Bill and Time Baby going in Dennis' world and even moving a card holder with their physical strenght. For context, it is a world that perceives the multiverse as an illusion due to it being merely a hologram projected in a trading card which, for anything happening to it, the same happens to the world within it, something that Bill himself relates to the string theory, which is also mentioned by himself and others both in the series and in supplementary materials (1 and 2). This leaves us with some choices:
- Option 1: The event is an anti-feat for 1-A, meaning that Dennis is just +1D compared to the rest of the cosmology. Considering how the verse makes it clear that Reality-Fiction gaps can be explained by dimensionality differences in-verse, due to Ford saying that the world within a comic is 2-D and similar showings, it'll mean that the High 1-C part of the cosmology will be solidified as it gives us a confirmation that higher dimensions in GF are always infinitely larger than lower ones, making the Nightmare Realm straight up 1-B (13-D) and Dennis' World also to 1-B but higher (14-D). This would technically count as a 14-D feat for Bill and Time Baby, especially when the card holds within it all the infinite Nightmare Realms and is superior to them (though it does feel wrong, especially if you look at Option 2).
- Option 2: The event can be ignored as it is a complete outlier for Bill and Time Baby due to the fact that Bill himself could fight evenly against the Shacktron, which is merely powered by a portal that has shaken a single Nightmare Realm out of the infinite ones, other than Time Baby also saying that Bill is a threat for a single timeline, or Bill very explicitly affecting a single Nightmare Realm in his most powerful form. This would make Dennis' world still 1-A, if we take in account the fact that the "2-D" comic world acts like a 3-D one (examples here, here and especially here) despite the fact that we saw other 2-D worlds acting like one would expect to, meaning that in that case it acts as a qualitatively inferior world (note that Giffany and Rumble's worlds are excluded here as they come out from actual electricity, meaning that their gap isn't a qualitative one either, especially when they're potrayed as having the same level of existence). It should be also noted that similairly to Dennis' world, affecting the paper of the comic affects the comic world, too. This obviously leaves the "possibly 11-D" stuff unchanged too.
(Also add this scan supporting Bill destroying reality to his AP. Said scan should also be added to his Mind Manipulation as Bill replaced the word "Burden" with "Sea Otter" in Ford's mind)
Infinite speed feat addition?
The argument was already tried here, but was rejected due to the Weirdmageddon lacking proofs of affecting speed. Well, no more!
Going back on the feat, we all know that the Dimensional Rift would have destroyed the fabric of existence with a giant explosion. This would be already infinite speed due to the Nightmare Realm being an infinite-sized Bulk space that encompasses within itself an infinite multiverse.
Bill should be comparable to the Rift due to him not only having created the Rift, but also having his powers linked to and empowered from the Rift, other than also sustaining it, as when he dies, the Rift also disappears along with all of its effects, implying some UES kind of stuff going on here. This is further shown that Bill initially could fight evenly, with Bill later straight up blitzing Time Baby once empowered by the rift. This implies a speed increase too.
This won't affect his current speed as it's Immeasurable, but it's a nice addition nontheless (especially given that Mario characters are infinite off the same argument lol).
TLDR
- The Nightmare Realm gets from 5/12-D to 6/13-D, and there are infinitely more of them in the overall cosmology, and the "possibly" probably becomes a "likely".
- Dennis' world either is 1-A or is 1-B (14-D).
- Bill gets Type 9 Immortality and an infinite speed feat.
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