Popted2
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WTF really? i always tought that he can become intangible,WTF seriously??
I literally never knew this
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(GRACE) The Legendary Sannin VS The Demonic Martial Artist (7/1/0)
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AdNiBN002
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That is true, i mean more in the sense that everything that doesn't counter Obito's intagability likely doesn't counter Akuma's either. (Although i do agree the comparison is far from 1-for-1)
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Too lazy to hit every point right now but I will see Rakan is NOT power negation. Its a block. One that, even in SF5, even v goddamn DAN, he takes damage using. He just regens it back.
His profile in general is incredibly wanked and often outright wrong. As stated, he never teleports. You see him move during his little knee dash move and shun goku satsu. He can be hit out of the latter. Its just him floating around, and in one case, being to some degree intangible. Which effectively does negate tsunade's power, unlike Rakan, where he's just negating the hitstun. But also has downtime he can be hit after.
Not sure where people are getting it being some super all negating attack from. Its not the game. Its not the menus in the game, which never explain what anything is. Is it from anything actually canon? And even if it is, do we take that source over it clearly, in game, consistently always being presented as a technique that specifically does not negate damage, at all, ever, even once?
Ryu has a proper parry that reduces damage to 0, so does Gil. Akuma does not. And both of those better versions of Rakan are both just parries.
His profile in general is incredibly wanked and often outright wrong. As stated, he never teleports. You see him move during his little knee dash move and shun goku satsu. He can be hit out of the latter. Its just him floating around, and in one case, being to some degree intangible. Which effectively does negate tsunade's power, unlike Rakan, where he's just negating the hitstun. But also has downtime he can be hit after.
Not sure where people are getting it being some super all negating attack from. Its not the game. Its not the menus in the game, which never explain what anything is. Is it from anything actually canon? And even if it is, do we take that source over it clearly, in game, consistently always being presented as a technique that specifically does not negate damage, at all, ever, even once?
Ryu has a proper parry that reduces damage to 0, so does Gil. Akuma does not. And both of those better versions of Rakan are both just parries.
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I've actually missed the details of the Rakan, which as you said, doesn't actually negates all damage now that I check.
It's never stated that it is a magical thing that negates everything, even in the first revision parries-with-a-name have been agreed to be considered minor powernull for a reason.
Akuma can be hit during the Shun Goku Satsu because, despite the stance being the same, he isn't using the Ashura Senku, which actually makes him intangible when using it specifically.
speedster352
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The only way to make this match fair is to allow him to transform
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He's already allowed to transform, Shin Akuma is just an overall and unquantifiable boost, it can't be restricted in the first place by vs threads rules.
About Akuma not standing a chance, I've made an extensive post about his advantages that don't even rely on his Rakan at all, how he can handle Tsunage and close and far range, his options for high damage and even for the instant win if he manages to land the SGK.
They don't necessarily prove he wins most of times, but the Rakan isn't something that turns the table and I've never sponsorized is as such, only as a useful and supportive thing among many others.
I will address the technique in a future CRT as well, probably to downgrade it to a even minor form of damage reduction or something, just because it's a specific technique that allows him to block more efficiently than he normally does.
About Akuma not standing a chance, I've made an extensive post about his advantages that don't even rely on his Rakan at all, how he can handle Tsunage and close and far range, his options for high damage and even for the instant win if he manages to land the SGK.
They don't necessarily prove he wins most of times, but the Rakan isn't something that turns the table and I've never sponsorized is as such, only as a useful and supportive thing among many others.
I will address the technique in a future CRT as well, probably to downgrade it to a even minor form of damage reduction or something, just because it's a specific technique that allows him to block more efficiently than he normally does.
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Doesn't really matter since while Shin Akuma has some impressive feats, they're basically all offscreen 'he beats x guy, x guy was a big deal, trust me' things or not from canon storylines. We don't know how strong Shin Akuma actually is
AdNiBN002
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Haven't there been cases of characters such as Gouken and Heihachi surving the Shun Goku Satsu? What is stopping Tsunade, someone who specialises in healing and pain tolerance from doing the same?
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Shin Akuma actually doesn't have any feats in-canon, Akuma does everything in his base form.
We know that he can transform because the games acknowledge its existence a few times, but it doesn't appear in the story.
Gouken survived because of the Power of Nothingness, which is confirmed in SF4, and this time he straight up nulls the SGS before it starts.
Heihachi comes from an entirely different canon, and Tekken Akuma will most likely lose the death hax powers of the SGS in the future because they aren't supported in the Tekken canon.
We know that he can transform because the games acknowledge its existence a few times, but it doesn't appear in the story.
Because the Shun Goku Satsu is specifically described as a death hax technique, you can see even the japanese translation in the blog linked on Akuma's profile.
Gouken survived because of the Power of Nothingness, which is confirmed in SF4, and this time he straight up nulls the SGS before it starts.
Heihachi comes from an entirely different canon, and Tekken Akuma will most likely lose the death hax powers of the SGS in the future because they aren't supported in the Tekken canon.
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Dunno if Gen's block was canon and he did that via achieving a mental state, while Tsunade is notably not someone with the best mental health.
Gouken got literally buried alive after being hit by it. He was unconcious for actual years.
Otherwise the only time its been blocked in games is via also using it.
Heihachi isn't canon to SF, is he? That's an entire different series Akuma appeared as a guest in and acted ooc to boot (being massively more blood thirsty than he's ever been in any SF game).
Its like saiyan he Akuma can just drag her to the moon so she suffocates because he could do that in Asura's Wrath.
Regardless I don't see her getting hit with it to begin with. Its incredibly telegraphed.
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That's actually been bothering me since some time, because I couldn't find its source, it's one of the several things I'm planning to investigate more at some point.
Not really, it took him some time, but he's shown to be fine still in the Alpha era, after his battle with Akuma.
He just decided to reveal himself to his pupils years after for unspecified reasons.
Exactly, Tekken has no business in this match.
It's telegraphed in the games, but from an in-story perspective it's his deadlies technique that he has refined over the years, which totally works and is combined with his generall skill in combat as a whole.
Like, 99% of martial arts techniques, real or made up, across the entirety of fiction aren't meant to work in a realistic setting, but we accept them because they story itself does it.
YoutubeForKing
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Its 6-2 right now.
One more vote for tsunade so this goes as a win for her
One more vote for tsunade so this goes as a win for her
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Should be the street fighter alpha manga. Same source as shun goku satsu being blocked by guy, every single hit. Doubt its canon.
If I didn't vote Tsunade I am.
The one touch I **** all your nerves thing is really just something he has no feats applicable to not being instantly beaten by the moment she gets close, and her summon is fast and able to be rode on to catch him easily.
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Tsunade FRA in case I haven't voted yet.
YoutubeForKing
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I think thats 7 so grace
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No, that's six votes.
YoutubeForKing
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Plus i voted so that makes 7. Its grace.
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Milly hasn't voted for Tsunade yet, she just said she would defend her.
YoutubeForKing
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@Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Just vote tsunade since a rep doesn't count as a vote.
Just vote tsunade since a rep doesn't count as a vote.
speedster352
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I change my vote to tsunade
YoutubeForKing
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Grace
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When I’ve been doing so much work by the time I get back the match is over.
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I got your back, chief!
YoutubeForKing
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TBH bro im not really sure how to add these matches.
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You can just use the source editor to see how it was done with other matches. If you know how to do it, then you can just do it.
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You have to wait for the grace to end, though.
YoutubeForKing
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Think it over rn
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