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(GRACE) The Legendary Sannin VS The Demonic Martial Artist (7/1/0)

Obito's not actually intangible though. He just teleports parts of his body to create the illusion of intangibility.
That is true, i mean more in the sense that everything that doesn't counter Obito's intagability likely doesn't counter Akuma's either. (Although i do agree the comparison is far from 1-for-1)
 
Too lazy to hit every point right now but I will see Rakan is NOT power negation. Its a block. One that, even in SF5, even v goddamn DAN, he takes damage using. He just regens it back.

His profile in general is incredibly wanked and often outright wrong. As stated, he never teleports. You see him move during his little knee dash move and shun goku satsu. He can be hit out of the latter. Its just him floating around, and in one case, being to some degree intangible. Which effectively does negate tsunade's power, unlike Rakan, where he's just negating the hitstun. But also has downtime he can be hit after.
Not sure where people are getting it being some super all negating attack from. Its not the game. Its not the menus in the game, which never explain what anything is. Is it from anything actually canon? And even if it is, do we take that source over it clearly, in game, consistently always being presented as a technique that specifically does not negate damage, at all, ever, even once?

Ryu has a proper parry that reduces damage to 0, so does Gil. Akuma does not. And both of those better versions of Rakan are both just parries.
 
If the Rakan isn't Power Nullification then Tsunade likely just wins outright as she can completely overload his nervous system on contact with her Medical Ninjutsu.
Instantly incapacitating him in the process. Frankly i don't really see much Akuma can do against this.

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Voting Tsunade for now. Akuma's best option here seems to be outmaneuvering for chip-damage, but against someone who specialises in healing and can end the fight on contact, it basically just delays the inevitable.
 
I've actually missed the details of the Rakan, which as you said, doesn't actually negates all damage now that I check.
It's never stated that it is a magical thing that negates everything, even in the first revision parries-with-a-name have been agreed to be considered minor powernull for a reason.

Akuma can be hit during the Shun Goku Satsu because, despite the stance being the same, he isn't using the Ashura Senku, which actually makes him intangible when using it specifically.
 
I've actually missed the details of the Rakan, which as you said, doesn't actually negates all damage now that I check.
It's never stated that it is a magical thing that negates everything, even in the first revision parries-with-a-name have been agreed to be considered minor powernull for a reason.

Akuma can be hit during the Shun Goku Satsu because, despite the stance being the same, he isn't using the Ashura Senku, which actually makes him intangible when using it specifically.
The only way to make this match fair is to allow him to transform
 
He's already allowed to transform, Shin Akuma is just an overall and unquantifiable boost, it can't be restricted in the first place by vs threads rules.

About Akuma not standing a chance, I've made an extensive post about his advantages that don't even rely on his Rakan at all, how he can handle Tsunage and close and far range, his options for high damage and even for the instant win if he manages to land the SGK.

They don't necessarily prove he wins most of times, but the Rakan isn't something that turns the table and I've never sponsorized is as such, only as a useful and supportive thing among many others.
I will address the technique in a future CRT as well, probably to downgrade it to a even minor form of damage reduction or something, just because it's a specific technique that allows him to block more efficiently than he normally does.
 
The only way to make this match fair is to allow him to transform
Doesn't really matter since while Shin Akuma has some impressive feats, they're basically all offscreen 'he beats x guy, x guy was a big deal, trust me' things or not from canon storylines. We don't know how strong Shin Akuma actually is
 
He's already allowed to transform, Shin Akuma is just an overall and unquantifiable boost, it can't be restricted in the first place by vs threads rules.

About Akuma not standing a chance, I've made an extensive post about his advantages that don't even rely on his Rakan at all, how he can handle Tsunage and close and far range, his options for high damage and even for the instant win if he manages to land the SGK.

They don't necessarily prove he wins most of times, but the Rakan isn't something that turns the table and I've never sponsorized is as such, only as a useful and supportive thing among many others.
Haven't there been cases of characters such as Gouken and Heihachi surving the Shun Goku Satsu? What is stopping Tsunade, someone who specialises in healing and pain tolerance from doing the same?
 
Shin Akuma actually doesn't have any feats in-canon, Akuma does everything in his base form.
We know that he can transform because the games acknowledge its existence a few times, but it doesn't appear in the story.

Haven't there been cases of characters such as Gouken and Heihachi surving the Shun Goku Satsu? What is stopping Tsunade, someone who specialises in healing and pain tolerance from doing the same?
Because the Shun Goku Satsu is specifically described as a death hax technique, you can see even the japanese translation in the blog linked on Akuma's profile.
Gouken survived because of the Power of Nothingness, which is confirmed in SF4, and this time he straight up nulls the SGS before it starts.

Heihachi comes from an entirely different canon, and Tekken Akuma will most likely lose the death hax powers of the SGS in the future because they aren't supported in the Tekken canon.
 
Haven't there been cases of characters such as Gouken and Heihachi surving the Shun Goku Satsu? What is stopping Tsunade, someone who specialises in healing and pain tolerance from doing the same?
Dunno if Gen's block was canon and he did that via achieving a mental state, while Tsunade is notably not someone with the best mental health.
Gouken got literally buried alive after being hit by it. He was unconcious for actual years.
Otherwise the only time its been blocked in games is via also using it.
Heihachi isn't canon to SF, is he? That's an entire different series Akuma appeared as a guest in and acted ooc to boot (being massively more blood thirsty than he's ever been in any SF game).
Its like saiyan he Akuma can just drag her to the moon so she suffocates because he could do that in Asura's Wrath.

Regardless I don't see her getting hit with it to begin with. Its incredibly telegraphed.
 
Dunno if Gen's block was canon and he did that via achieving a mental state, while Tsunade is notably not someone with the best mental health.
That's actually been bothering me since some time, because I couldn't find its source, it's one of the several things I'm planning to investigate more at some point.

Gouken got literally buried alive after being hit by it. He was unconcious for actual years.
Not really, it took him some time, but he's shown to be fine still in the Alpha era, after his battle with Akuma.
He just decided to reveal himself to his pupils years after for unspecified reasons.

Heihachi isn't canon to SF, is he?
Exactly, Tekken has no business in this match.

Regardless I don't see her getting hit with it to begin with. Its incredibly telegraphed.
It's telegraphed in the games, but from an in-story perspective it's his deadlies technique that he has refined over the years, which totally works and is combined with his generall skill in combat as a whole.
Like, 99% of martial arts techniques, real or made up, across the entirety of fiction aren't meant to work in a realistic setting, but we accept them because they story itself does it.
 
That's actually been bothering me since some time, because I couldn't find its source, it's one of the several things I'm planning to investigate more at some point.
Should be the street fighter alpha manga. Same source as shun goku satsu being blocked by guy, every single hit. Doubt its canon.
Its 6-2 right now.

One more vote for tsunade so this goes as a win for her
If I didn't vote Tsunade I am.
The one touch I **** all your nerves thing is really just something he has no feats applicable to not being instantly beaten by the moment she gets close, and her summon is fast and able to be rode on to catch him easily.
 
I’m going to rep Tsunade, but wow, it seems she’s the only Sannin people use.
Tsunade via acrobatics
Tsunade FRA
Tsunade FRA
Voting Tsunade for now. Akuma's best option here seems to be outmaneuvering for chip-damage, but against someone who specialises in healing and can end the fight on contact, it basically just delays the inevitable.
Tsunade FRA in case I haven't voted yet.

Plus i voted so that makes 7. Its grace.
 
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