(GRACE) The Hero Hunter VS The Legendary Sannin (0/11/0)

[Shadowbokunohero]

random question how does Garou Account for Tsunade's Sleep Manipulation, I don't see any resistances on his profile

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

random question how does Garou Account for Tsunade's Sleep Manipulation, I don't see any resistances on his profile

He can fight unconscious.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

How good is it in comparison to his conscious self? or is it roughly the same.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Even though she’s stated to know all 5 nature transformations in the databook. Kishimoto, why.

She has pretty high stat in Genjutsu in the databook as well lmao

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

How good is it in comparison to his conscious self? or is it roughly the same.

Fairly good, but his skill decreases.

She has pretty high stat in Genjutsu in the databook as well lmao

Right.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I'm not as knowledgeable in regards to Garou but from what I can gather from the profile and from some of the arguments here Tsunade has a decent amount of wincons.



* She Obliterated a massive chunk of Madara's Physical body with a single punch who himself upscales quite a bit above the actual calc

• She can enhance her speed greatly with the body flicker ability.
• Her regeneration and endurance seem to be much better, literally fighting with massive swords still within her and getting Bisected, she also prior to this survived the lightspeed teleportation jutsu via regeneration which supposedly rips your body to pieces.
• Her stamina is ridiculously good, not only was she fighting someone much stronger than her for hours she followed that up by healing thousands of Ninja alongside Sakura.
• She can also negate durability and regeneration with her Medical Ninjutsu

* She can fight against Sharingan users who have precognition
* She can summon Katsuyu which can not only heal her but has extremely potent corrosive acid that can hurt summons like Manda, katsuyu's Physiology also makes it hard for anyone to actually damage her as shown by her being immune to the large scale shinra tenseis of Pain


The biggest issue I see for Tsunade is Garou's reactive evolution but I feel there are at least enough opportunities for Tsunade to put him down before it comes to that.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about Tsunade's Poison, Sleeping gas, and Biological Manip with Medical Ninjutsu even though I'm the one who added them lol.

 

[Popted2]

Tsunade FRA
she has two wincons at her side

 

[TauanVictor]

Tbh, OP is kinda misleading as it uses Half Monster Garou for the match up yet it has a picture of pre awakening Garou

I just thought the image was beautiful, so I decided to put it on.

 

[TauanVictor]

Also, I changed the OP to make everything clearer. I saw that there was some confusion.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I think Shadow is also voting for Tsuna, but he didn't say it explicitly.

 

[Nierre]

Just woke up... (gm)

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

So one of my favorite Naruto characters VS one of my favorite OPM characters? What's next, Madara VS Psykos?

Anyways, I read through the arguments, and I already check both pages like bi-weekly (for some reason lol), and I'm siding with Jiraiya's queen FRA.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

High 7-A versions

That doesn't help as Garou has 2 High 7-A keys

 

[Nierre]

Yess I change my vote to Tsuna fra

 

[TauanVictor]

That doesn't help as Garou has 2 High 7-A keys

Specified.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This is all pretty irrelevant, mate.
It doesn't matter if he scales so far above baseline High 7-A that he upscales all the way to High 7-A+ (Which he clearly doesn't), he would still get one-shot by her.
Tsunade can one-shot Madara and his ribcage Susano'o, both of whom can easily tank attacks from the Raikage (baseline High 7-A+) without taking any damage.
So it goes like;
Tsunade >>>> Madara's ribcage > Madara >= Raikage (High 7-A+)

To be fair, she didn't ONE SHOT the Susanoo, her initial punch only cracked it. And the Madara she one shot was a clone. She'd still probably one shot Garou though.

Tsunade fans know suffering unlike any others.....

Also I'm changing my vote to Tsunade FRA

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Tsunade fra

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

To be fair, she didn't ONE SHOT the Susanoo, her initial punch only cracked it.

She one-shot it when she kicked it later in the chapter. And she one-shot Madara's own physical body, who's already High 7-A+. The point was that she scales significantly above High 7-A+.

And the Madara she one shot was a clone.

Nah, it was the real deal. He just substituted with a clone before getting sealed.
I know it's hard to tell, as I myself didn't know this until recently, but if you look really closely you'll notice that the Madara she one-shot had the Edo Tensei ash swirls, which are always notably missing from Wood Clones as we saw with Hashirama.
Plus, Tsuna herself said that they forced him to substitute with clone to avoid getting sealed, which annoyed Madara and led to the whole 25 clones flex lol.

She'd still probably one shot Garou though.

No sir. Nope. No way.
One Minato downgrade will NEVER outweigh decades of trash Tsunade downplay putting her at below Land of Waves Kakashi level. Forget it!

Also I'm changing my vote to Tsunade FRA

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Ok, I thought that this was pre-Awakening Garou, not Half-Monster Garou, because I think there's a rather big difference between the two, since the pre-Awakening Garou clearly has better regenerative skills, fighting techniques, and a greater reactive evolution, such as being able to learn Bang's Awakening Breath and use his Explosion Release Fist only after having looked at the scrolls detailing the technique once. That should've been made clearer. In that case, after having seen the solid arguments made in her favor, I think I'm gonna change the vote to Tsunade. Though Garou's fighting skills are impressive, I've been reminded that she has several other abilities such as the poison and sleeping gas, as well as her other nature transformations which I assume she can use effectively. I wasn't aware of the AP difference, since I don't really pay attention to the details of that. Anyway, I'm also not sure that Half-Monster Garou would be able to evolve quickly enough to match Tsunade's strength, nor do I think that his regenerative abilities as a Half-Monster match hers with the Creation Rebirth technique, especially since he didn't fully heal himself during his fight with Darkshine: he actually fell to the ground, and if it'd kept going, Darkshine could've actually killed him.

 

[Rez]

Old lady fra

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I believe we've hit Grace, fellow men of culture.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

She one-shot it when she kicked it later in the chapter. And she one-shot Madara's own physical body, who's already High 7-A+. The point was that she scales significantly above High 7-A+.

Nah, it was the real deal. He just substituted with a clone before getting sealed.
I know it's hard to tell, as I myself didn't know this until recently, but if you look really closely you'll notice that the Madara she one-shot had the Edo Tensei ash swirls, which are always notably missing from Wood Clones as we saw with Hashirama.
Plus, Tsuna herself said that they forced him to substitute with clone to avoid getting sealed, which annoyed Madara and led to the whole 25 clones flex lol.



No sir. Nope. No way.
One Minato downgrade will NEVER outweigh decades of trash Tsunade downplay putting her at below Land of Waves Kakashi level. Forget it!

But that's because she'd already damaged it prior.

Hm, maybe, could be an inconsistency cause that's not really how substitution works but idk.

Bold of u to assume that's all the downplay that exists. Almost everyone knows he's High Kage level, but where he falls in that range is almost always underestimated.

Tsuna's pretty underrated too tho I'll give u that. She can be overrated quite a bit tho. She's not the strongest of the Five Kage overall which seems to be a fairly common opinion.

So,

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

But that's because she'd already damaged it prior.

Well, it was just a crack like you said. The second kick completely shattered it and sent Madara flying. At best you can argue she two-shot it.
Plus, she scales to Ay anyway, who did something similar when Onoki amped him.

Hm, maybe, could be an inconsistency cause that's not really how substitution works but idk.

Sparkle, please. You're a big enough fan of Naruto's to know that Substitution works however the hell Kishimoto wants it to at any given moment. Need I remind you of that time Pain straight up teleported out of Jiraiya's restraint?

But anyway, I'm not really seeing any issue. Madara substituted for a clone to trick the Kage into thinking they'd sealed him, then traveled underground using Earth/Wood Release to stab an unsuspecting Tsunade. Makes sense to me.

Bold of u to assume that's all the downplay that exists. Almost everyone knows he's High Kage level, but where he falls in that range is almost always underestimated.

Eh well, fair I suppose, but I'd personally say that Minato is one of the least underestimated characters in the series alongside Orochimaru, I'll just put it like that I guess

Tsuna's pretty underrated too tho I'll give u that. She can be overrated quite a bit tho. She's not the strongest of the Five Kage overall which seems to be a fairly common opinion.

Well, I don't think she'd win if they had a 5-way Battle Royal (that honor goes to either Onoki or Gaara IMO), but I do believe she is the physically strongest by far.

So,

Hehehe

Not until you deal with the "Kid Naruto and Kabuto stomp Tsunade" crowd, it isn't.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well, it was just a crack like you said. The second kick completely shattered it and sent Madara flying. At best you can argue she two-shot it.
Plus, she scales to Ay anyway, who did something similar when Onoki amped him.

Sparkle, please. You're a big enough fan of Naruto's to know that Substitution works however the hell Kishimoto wants it to at any given moment. Need I remind you of that time Pain straight up teleported out of Jiraiya's restraint?

But anyway, I'm not really seeing any issue. Madara substituted for a clone to trick the Kage into thinking they'd sealed him, then traveled underground using Earth/Wood Release to stab an unsuspecting Tsunade. Makes sense to me.

Eh well, fair I suppose, but I'd personally say that Minato is one of the least underestimated characters in the series alongside Orochimaru, I'll just put it like that I guess

Well, I don't think she'd win if they had a 5-way Battle Royal (that honor goes to either Onoki or Gaara IMO), but I do believe she is the physically strongest by far.

Hehehe

Not until you deal with the "Kid Naruto and Kabuto stomp Tsunade" crowd, it isn't.

Sure she two shot it.

Well she doesn't have any direct scaling to Ohnoki amped Ay.

Did he? Also substitutions are much more liberally used in the anime than the manga. That might be what ur thinking of.

But the point of substitution is to replace yourself with something else before an attack lands, not after.

Yeah she's the physically strongest but not the strongest strongest. I'd also say Ay has a better chance than Gaara.

Not until you deal with the Base Naruto>Minato crowd, I literally made a match with SAGE MODE Naruto against Base Minato and Minato has a 100% win percentage, it's obvious Naruto didn't surpass him in the PA

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I would like to add, out of sheer comedic value… if Garou went for a pressure point in the chest, there’s a good chance it just won’t… work.

 

[Nierre]

I would like to add, out of sheer comedic value… if Garou went for a pressure point in the chest, there’s a good chance it just won’t… work.

LOOOOOL

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Well she doesn't have any direct scaling to Ohnoki amped Ay.

She does. There's no reason to assume Madara would be comparing her to a weaker Ay, as opposed to the one he's currently fighting.
Additionally, we actually have a direct comparison in the manga. Amped Ay's chop cracked the Susano'o, while Tsunade's kick did this. Pretty clear cut stuff.

Did he? Also substitutions are much more liberally used in the anime than the manga. That might be what ur thinking of.

I haven't watched the anime in years, so that can't be it.

But the point of substitution is to replace yourself with something else before an attack lands, not after.

Well, the "attack" in this case is getting sealed. I meant he substituted himself for the clone in a literal sense lol. It was all to trick the Kage.

Yeah, totally. Just because not everyone has them as highly as possible, doesn't mean they're downplayed characters overall.
Tsunade, as an example, is much more prone to get downplayed overall.

Yeah she's the physically strongest but not the strongest strongest. I'd also say Ay has a better chance than Gaara.

Base Ay? Nah.
But that's not a discussion for this thread lol.

Not until you deal with the Base Naruto>Minato crowd, I literally made a match with SAGE MODE Naruto against Base Minato and Minato has a 100% win percentage, it's obvious Naruto didn't surpass him in the PA

Yes, yes, but having Naruto be stronger isn't quite the same as Tsunade being downplayed to like Chuunin level lmao.

 

[Nierre]

Sparkle and Slayer always flood Naruto Matchups with Naruto talk.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Sparkle and Slayer always flood Naruto Matchups with Naruto talk.

Sorry, we can't help ourselves lol.

 

[Nierre]

It's fine lol

Just wanted to point it out.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Spoiler: no spoilers

bababuey

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

The only wave to solve this issue is by having Base Minato fight Base Tsunade/s

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[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I’m not sure my unyielding devotion to Tsunade can beat the Minato fans.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I’m not sure my unyielding devotion to Tsunade can beat the Minato fans.

I mean, I think we can all agree that his wee little kunai can't penetrate her "fatty layer"

 

[TauanVictor]

Can I switch to Pre-Awakening Garou for balance?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Probably the same, except Garou’s RE is quicker, but Tsunade’s AP is still high enough to one-shot. Wouldn’t change anything.

 

[SemiRaedi]

Damn, if I voted for Garou then I swap to Tsunade fra

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Tsunade FRA.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

She does. There's no reason to assume Madara would be comparing her to a weaker Ay, as opposed to the one he's currently fighting.
Additionally, we actually have a direct comparison in the manga. Amped Ay's chop cracked the Susano'o, while Tsunade's kick did this. Pretty clear cut stuff.

I haven't watched the anime in years, so that can't be it.

Well, the "attack" in this case is getting sealed. I meant he substituted himself for the clone in a literal sense lol. It was all to trick the Kage.

Yeah, totally. Just because not everyone has them as highly as possible, doesn't mean they're downplayed characters overall.
Tsunade, as an example, is much more prone to get downplayed overall.

Base Ay? Nah.
But that's not a discussion for this thread lol.

Yes, yes, but having Naruto be stronger isn't quite the same as Tsunade being downplayed to like Chuunin level lmao.

Huh, that's weird. How come his punch previously completely blew through the Susanoo?

(Shrugs)

Not rlly what I meant but sure

They still downplayed tho.

I meant LCM, no reason for him not to use it.

I was on a thread about how strong Minato would be without FTG and there were ppl out there saying he'd be Chunin to Jonin level, so we're even there.

The only wave to solve this issue is by having Base Minato fight Base Tsunade/s

̶M̶i̶n̶a̶t̶o̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶s̶ ̶f̶o̶d̶d̶e̶r̶ ̶f̶l̶i̶c̶k̶e̶d̶

Restricting her to base is unnecessary

I’m not sure my unyielding devotion to Tsunade can beat the Minato fans.

*fan