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(GRACE) Obi-Wan VS Kakashi
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obiwan force chokes and mind haxes
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What is Obi-Wan's level of mind hax and resistance in Disney Canon?
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Thousand years of Pain FRA.
Kakashi can mind hax him (albeit it's not his opening move), paralyze and distract with lightning clones and clones in general, he can spam Kamui which is a long range one-shot BFR, so that's a win con as well. Telekinesis won't do anything due to his superior LS, durability, and AP. He has much more win cons as far as I can see, and is just as skilled if not more so.
Kakashi can mind hax him (albeit it's not his opening move), paralyze and distract with lightning clones and clones in general, he can spam Kamui which is a long range one-shot BFR, so that's a win con as well. Telekinesis won't do anything due to his superior LS, durability, and AP. He has much more win cons as far as I can see, and is just as skilled if not more so.
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"Those who abondon their friends are less than scum" FRA
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Again, LS on its own doesn't allow you to resist TK if you can't anchor yourself, fly or generate thrust. Kakashi can't do any of that so he can still get rag-dolled. And a 4.5x difference, while large, doesn't render TK completely ineffective though it means that Obi would have to be careful. Some skill feats for Kakashi like the ones posted above would also be nice since a claim like more skill should be substantiated.UchihaSlayer96 said:
Kakashi still wins with Kamui though.
Cyclops FRA.
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As someone mentioned above, he can use Chakra to anchor himself to the ground like he did with Pain. The only reason it wasn't that effective against Pain is because he was significantly more powerful than Kakashi, which isn't the case here obviously.
Not to mention that Kenobi will have to get through a bunch of clones to get to Kakashi first, which is usually Kakashi's opening move. By which point Kakashi has multiple options to end the fight such as Mind hax, Kamui, or a Raikiri to the chest. All of these options would end the fight immediately, so Kakashi has multiple win options.
Additionally he has a myriad of lightning Jutsu for mid to long range which cause paralysis.
As for intelligence and skill, Kakashi is just as smart as Shikamaru who has an IQ of over 200. He's considered a genius and one of the smartest characters in the series. He became a Jonin at an extremely young age, and was always noted to be a genius.
He's mastered Taijutsu, Ninjutsu, and Genjutsu, and has supposed copied a thousand techniques with his Sharingan. He always fights tactically and comes up with plans on the fly, surprising even much superior opponents such as Pain. If you want more specifics just watch the Pain fight or the fight against Kakuzu.
Not to mention that Kenobi will have to get through a bunch of clones to get to Kakashi first, which is usually Kakashi's opening move. By which point Kakashi has multiple options to end the fight such as Mind hax, Kamui, or a Raikiri to the chest. All of these options would end the fight immediately, so Kakashi has multiple win options.
Additionally he has a myriad of lightning Jutsu for mid to long range which cause paralysis.
As for intelligence and skill, Kakashi is just as smart as Shikamaru who has an IQ of over 200. He's considered a genius and one of the smartest characters in the series. He became a Jonin at an extremely young age, and was always noted to be a genius.
He's mastered Taijutsu, Ninjutsu, and Genjutsu, and has supposed copied a thousand techniques with his Sharingan. He always fights tactically and comes up with plans on the fly, surprising even much superior opponents such as Pain. If you want more specifics just watch the Pain fight or the fight against Kakuzu.
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does kakashi have mindresistances
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Anchoring yourself to the ground doesn't really mean much because the ground can give way, even if you don't.
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Well, let's assume that he gets lifted off the ground and gets thrown around. It still doesn't negate any of his win conditions. He can still Kamui spam, he can still mind hax, he can still make clones... etc. So I don't think it matters to be completely honest.C2 of Omegon said:
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the force is immesureable it is already in his mind its everthing.it makes up life
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Ummm okay? Lol.123d5678 said:
Obi-wan isn't the Force itself last I checked though XD.
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Yeah but he can't control an infinite amount of the Force.123d5678 said:
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but kakashi cant get close to him
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His force shield is 7-A.
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Why? The TK could pose a problem but Kakashi has ranged options
Saud ranged options get thrown right back at him with TK.
Saud ranged options get thrown right back at him with TK.
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he can delfect with the light saber and keep him away with the force so he cant get a hit
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Kakashi can make multiple clones which would help him.
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whar?
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what?
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Lmao how's he gonna deflect BFR and Minhax?
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BFR means removing someone from the battlefield.123d5678 said:
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I don't recall saying that it negated any of his wincons. I'm just pointing out that Kakashi doesn't really have an answer to TK in and of itself other than taking Obi-Wan out.
Besides, the more thorough we go over the information, more solid the verdict.
Besides, the more thorough we go over the information, more solid the verdict.
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kakashi has no resistense to the forces tricks
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everthing else no
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I also find it funny that Obi-Wan is losing to Kakashi, while it was the opposite for their students back when Sasuke was 5-B.
Scarecrow sensei fra.
Scarecrow sensei fra.
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@C2 of Omegon
Yeah fair enough.
Yeah fair enough.
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Compared to his student, this version of Obi lacks the variety of skills Kakashi has. Not only does Kakashi has elemental manipulation, hand-to-hand skills, weapon, assassination, illusions but he's also intelligent. Obi-Wan is limited and while he was trained from a young age so was Kakashi, both fought in War and have experience under their belt but in the end, the Jedi is limited.
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the force lets him win easy he cant touch him
