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We acting like Nagato uses Chibaku Tensei as anything but a last resort
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(GRACE) Luffy vs Nagato
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Is this alive or edo nagato?
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I know im not saying he'd lead with it, But if he's getting black mamba snuffed out and read like a book he'd for sure pull it out
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Except, casting Chibaku Tensei isn't as easy as you make it out to be, you are conveniently forgetting that Nagato doesn't have infinity amount of Chakra and Chibaku Tensei is a Jutsu that drains enormous amount of Chakra, even if we assume alive Nagato wouldn't bleed after casting Chibaku Tensei, but we never saw him capable of doing that everything else is wild assumption.
Nagato's homing attacks is fodder in comparation to Luffy's homing attacks, tbh missiles doesn't pose a threat to Luffy since his entire body is coated with Busoshoku Haki, it's so hard that even Doflamingo's threads can't bypass it the same strings were capable of destroying Fujitora's meteor and Luffy always has been consistently shown that his pain tolerance & endurance is through the roof.
Since when does Nagato have a speed amp? Sorry, I honestly don't remember that.
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He does in Edo-Tensei
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You remember that his Edo-Tensei body provides him unlimited amount of Chakra and unbelievable Regen, right?
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Yeah, Edo has unlimited chakra and Low-Godly, but im not sure if the op is using Edo-Nagato on this match
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We are using alive Nagato
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Im not exaggerating all he literally has to do is clap lol, Yes it drains alot but he wont be using like 3 of the other paths abilities here Plus nagato already has more chakra then deva pain so using it wont leave him on his death bed
Faster and stronger yes but as far as a distraction nagatos would be better here since they are projectiles. I know im not saying itll kill luffy or anything just distract
Nagato has body flicker (high speed movement) its what they use when they poof away/vanish use subitution etc
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featless, but yeah, I can't see alive nagato defeating Luffy, maybe only with the summoning of gedo mazo, but he only did it when he was really angry, so, he wont use it in character, Luffy FRA
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Nagato was indirectly using Chibaku Tensei, while using deva Pain's body. Konan desperately tried to stop him, but Nagato told her to be quiet which heavily emphasized it was not deva, it was Nagato who used Chibaku Tensei and Deva Pain needed to get far away from 6-tailed Naruto to cast his Chibaku Tensei. Let's assume Nagato somehow (despite Luffy's advantages) managed to find an opportunity to use Chibaku Tensei on Luffy, he essentially reduces his chakra to that of a dying man, and would I repeat, would never expect Luffy to break out. Unbeknownst to him, Luffy can break out due to his greater striking strength, thus it will give Luffy the biggest opening to deliver such a devasting blow to beat Nagato, because the fact he broke out would caught Nagato so off-guard he doesn't have the time to respond to Luffy's King Cobra.
Cough better sensory powers, distraction never really worked on Luffy since he has way more combat experience, he fought cunning, smart and ruthless pirates back then in East blue. If you were to tell me that smoke would hinder Luffy's movements and sight, you are underestimating Luffy he can even fight with closed eyes and his observation haki is far superior to the likes of Doflamingo, Usopp, Enel, Priests, also comparable to Fujitora who's literally a blind man via his advanced Haki he never had trouble fighting against anyone in the show. I almost forgot Kinemon who had the top half of his body from the waist up removed and could run around and fight normally.
Luffy has Soru, and during enies lobby Luffy was able to momentarily disappear from two skilled Soru users. But I honestly doubt it's a 1x speed amp unless it's stated otherwise.
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well yes technically it was nagato using it but because he was using it through deva path he had to bring him closer so he can give him more chakra, And if we are saying luffy is so superior to where nagato cant even put his hands together then this is a stomp, its not like he has to maintain position for a minute straight or anything
Yeah his senses are better but whats that have to do with distractions not working? 6paths naruto has great senses but sasuke was still able to distract him with a fireball then teleport behind and chidori him
body flicker also has fte feats but it also dosent have a stated amp
Yeah his senses are better but whats that have to do with distractions not working? 6paths naruto has great senses but sasuke was still able to distract him with a fireball then teleport behind and chidori him
body flicker also has fte feats but it also dosent have a stated amp
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I still think that if nagato fails to pull of bansho tenin or shinra tensei then he'll immediately go for the chibaku tensei.
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How exactly is that related to his chakra? and I have never once heard of such a statement. Sorry, but can you show me a scan either Nagato or Konan explicitly saying that, because this sounds like an assumption and not solid fact.
"6paths naruto has great senses but sasuke was still able to distract him with a fireball then teleport behind and chidori him."
Ever thought about the possibility that Sasuke had almost as good senses as Naruto's? your comparison doesn't make remotely sense. I am specifically referring to "smoke hindering or distracting Luffy" when he literally has passive precognition meaning future sight, and part of his training consisted of him fighting blind against giant monsters, everytime he would remove the blindfold he gets hit by Rayleigh. Have you forgotten that Hody used various distraction and got casually bullied by Luffy's super senses, and this Luffy is far weaker than Wano Luffy.
"Luffy has precognition (Passive Future sight), telepathy, enhanced Senses, emotional senses, intent senses, danger senses, presence sensing, according to Rayleigh's explanation Luffy should be capable of sensing invisible people/individuals, and Luffy's precognition can counter someone's precognition". Can you please explain to me how Nagato is exactly distracting someone whose sensory powers and other sensing qualities are literally over 70% of the type of sensing listed in the enhanced senses page?.
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Again, greater striking strength, he will immediately break out from Chibaku Tensei and defeat a half-dead Nagato who recklessly used his last resort.
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The pains are stronger in the rain because they are closer to nagatos body, The closer the pains are to nagato the more power he can give them Nagato having to bring deva closer to use chibaku tensei
No sasukes senses are not better then narutos lol. Especially danger awareness wise
Some abilities of observation are passive future sight shouldn't be one of them, Thats something they have to activate kat looking into the future
Again distractions and getting caught off guard is still possible they arent All knowing. luffy did not sense batman and even if you wanna argue he did and he just Didnt care, He cares about tama and she was kidnapped as he was distracted tama getting kidnapped as luffys focus is elsewhere
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No sasukes senses are not better then narutos lol. Especially danger awareness wise
Some abilities of observation are passive future sight shouldn't be one of them, Thats something they have to activate kat looking into the future
Again distractions and getting caught off guard is still possible they arent All knowing. luffy did not sense batman and even if you wanna argue he did and he just Didnt care, He cares about tama and she was kidnapped as he was distracted tama getting kidnapped as luffys focus is elsewhere
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FYI, Lifting Strength is what is needed to breakout of stuff in this site not Striking Strength.
And yes, Luffy does have the Lifting Strength to break out CT
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Sorry my bad. I mixed up both things
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Shit
Luffy for reasons above.
that's a big stretch like luffy 
but why would luffy do something when zoro is literally doing it?
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For the reasons above I vote for luffy
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They did sense him but this is easily only for plot or he can turn off his presence or something
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You know this was PIS.... It's not uncommon in Battle Shounen, for example Goku gets hurt by a bullet going by this logic are we going to downplay Goku to bullet level? One anti feat doesn't exactly invalidate Luffy's instinct feats. When Luffy has consistently displayed to have good senses before Time-skip, in fact even way before Alabasta Arc.
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A sad world where batman is superior to Doflamingo, Hody, Ceaser, and Katakuri.
But this batman beats them without prep time!
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Your using a meme as a legitimate point. Batman is clear PIS. you could just name the other instances. Although I doubt there’s not a reason behind them.
are you being serious?
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........sigh..... I swear! Why do I have to explain this to you? do you even know the meaning of PIS? This was PIS and Doffy getting caught off wasn't.
Law had Observation Haki comparable to Doflamingo, Dressrosa Luffy had Observation Haki comparable to Doffy as well, but are inferior to him in terms of speed and power. What next? Sanji shouldn't dodge Katakuri's bean when this was established very early on to be an Observation Haki battle, and Sanji was explicitly confirmed to have Advanced Observation Haki as well.
Only another user of Kenbunshoku Haki with proficient lvl can counter Advanced and other lvls of Kenbunshoku Haki! It's simple, imagine that. Almost everyone in the new world has pseudo-precognition, and has dealt with someone's pseudo-precognition as well.
Luffy being hit by another proficient Kenbunshoku Haki user isn't PIS because Luffy isn't the only one using Kenbunshoku Haki. However, Batman exist to make the plot more interesting, if you are going to take this route then why didn't Naruto saved Kawakari from Delta's laser beam? You see, this comparison does as much sense as you bringing up batman to downplay Luffy's instinct feats.
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This is basic observation haki luffy link (luffy being shot by a laser off guard)
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@Josh even if batman is PIS what about tama getting kidnapped, Or katakuri not seeing luffy taking brulee and leaving the mirrior world Batman isnt the ONLY example Yes Is there something wrong with citing luffy and laws combo?
@Raz What does luffy and law having comparable obsvervation have to do with doffy not knowing law is about to use shambles on him? Also on the profiles law is Rudimentary where as Doffy is proficient, And I know the authors aren't gonna have those type of abilities on 24/7 for story purposes but we cant write off EVERY instance as PIS. Im not downplaying his feats im just saying the future seeing ability isnt passive
@monkey He could have just reacted, himi ignores dura with gentle fist
@Raz What does luffy and law having comparable obsvervation have to do with doffy not knowing law is about to use shambles on him? Also on the profiles law is Rudimentary where as Doffy is proficient, And I know the authors aren't gonna have those type of abilities on 24/7 for story purposes but we cant write off EVERY instance as PIS. Im not downplaying his feats im just saying the future seeing ability isnt passive
@monkey He could have just reacted, himi ignores dura with gentle fist
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You know you are unnecessarily dragging this out and at the same time just conveniently ignoring all other arguments, instead of focusing on downplaying Observation Haki make a new thread or CTR and do it there, I can tell you already that you will get rejected. This is not about Observation Haki "downplay thread" it's Luffy vs Nagato.@Josh even if batman is PIS what about tama getting kidnapped, Or katakuri not seeing luffy taking brulee and leaving the mirrior world Batman isnt the ONLY example Yes Is there something wrong with citing luffy and laws combo?
@Raz What does luffy and law having comparable obsvervation have to do with doffy not knowing law is about to use shambles on him? Also on the profiles law is Rudimentary where as Doffy is proficient, And I know the authors aren't gonna have those type of abilities on 24/7 for story purposes but we cant write off EVERY instance as PIS. Im not downplaying his feats im just saying the future seeing ability isnt passive
@monkey He could have just reacted, himi ignores dura with gentle fist
Tama getting kidnapped is for the sake of the plot, like the same way they intentionally downplayed Naruto's sensory powers in Boruto so that Naruto doesn't instantly find out Kara's current whereabouts or Goku being fooled by things that he dealt back then in OG DB. Plot made Luffy not one shotting batman or knocking out via Haoshuko Haki, therefore irrelevant. Plot made Naruto not using a shadow close to protect Kawakari, while we are at it let's just downplay every verse for one anti feat!.
Now you are using this as an argument? As I said before, almost everyone in the new world has Kenbunshoku Haki. Law dealt with someone's pseudo-precognition, Doflamingo deal with someone's pseudo-precognition, and Luffy dealt with someone's pseudo-precognition. What do all three have in common? Kenbunshoku Haki which is precognition and pseudo-precognition! Batman is insignificant to the story and mostly a meme character using him as legitimate anti feat is rather sad, tbh. Also, your explanation is pretty bad as to why Luffy shouldn't know Law's ability. Furthermore, Doffy greatly underestimated them and just sat down and watched them fighting against Black knight and Bellamy, Luffy's battle instinct and knowledge of law's ability to teleport/swap thing gave him the idea when he tries to attack law, law can use switch himself with Doffy. Considering Law's abilities are instantaneous Doffy didn't had the time to dodge, you could tell by Doffy's expression he knew it was going to hurt him. Given Luffy's a Combat Genuis is that really something worth questioning?
During wholecake island arc Katakuri and Luffy almost fought for 24 hours with Katakuri passively using Observation Haki and avoiding Luffy's attacks, if it weren't passive then how exactly could he fight for almost 24 hours without being hit at least once by Luffy, who's practically a combat Genuis and effectively uses his environment to find a way to hit him. Luffy only was able to fight him after second round of their fight because Luffy was slowly approaching to his level.
You have two anti-feats, both are not in-combat, secondly for the sake of plot, thirdly Katakuri seeing Luffy taking brulee can honestly not be used to downplay his future sight. He saw Luffy taking brulee and emphasized "Oh no" because he accidentally kicked him near to her.
What next, his future sight or observation isn't perfect? Always has been nor is Sage Naruto's sensory powers and Goku's MUI, yet that doesn't matter because said powers hard counters specific characters. Allow me to clarify: Luffy even without Kenbunshoku Haki could see through distraction and even used it to his own advantage, a bit smoke or explosion wouldn't hinder Luffy's movements and sight, Kenbunshoku Haki and his listed abilities further enhancing this. So my question to you was how do smoke hinder Luffy's movements and sight, you suddenly brought up irrelevant things instead of answering my question.
Luffy was caught off-guard multiple times in Enies lobby, Sabaody Arc Time-skip, Skypia and other Arcs, yet Luffy managed to dodge while being distracted by thinking about his food, Hancock gave him, was being distracted by singing Aho-Baka, caught off-guard by Blueno's door door ability to spin his head, part of his training involved sleeping with a blindfold while sleeping with the animals. I can go on, if you want? and that's already more than your batman and Tama arguments.
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Anyways, I think Luffy got 6 votes, so can we close this already, perhaps my math is bad or forgot someone.
Alright, let's count all the votes.
Alright, let's count all the votes.
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It's 7 votes link
