(Grace) Base Post-Flashpoint Batman vs 20% Izuku Midoriya

[Therefir]

@Momolilya I've already explained why Deku being able to one-shot Chisaki is completely reasonable, and Chisaki can take hits to the head from 3.19 tons characters without being knocked out.

 

[Mickey1940]

No items, he still has the batsuit and all the built-in stuff the batsuit has.

then why is Deku's uniform not allowed?

If Bats gets his suit, which has a lot of stuff already, then Deku should at least get his Hero Costume and Iron Soles

 

[Ogbunabali]

Where does it say his uniform isn't allowed?

 

[KingEzran]

Now that I think about it, the rules of this match are going a little haywire. I think it would be best if this thread get deleted.

 

[Jasonsith]

Now that I think about it, the rules of this match are going a little haywire. I think it would be best if this thread get deleted.

No.

Either we go back to the topic and clarify rules, or it should get locked at most.

 

[KingEzran]

It's not in your power to delete the thread, Jason. Only I can do that.

 

[Jasonsith]

It's not in your power to delete the thread, Jason. Only I can do that.

I know. I am just asking you to really think about whether you really want to delete a thread where a calc group member and a discussion moderator can discuss normally.

Deleting a post should be estrained unless a mod, admin or bureaucrat demands so. Or one really accidentally opens one by glitch.

 

[Mickey1940]

Where does it say his uniform isn't allowed?

check previous comments

Deku's uniform and Iron Soles were restricted

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Batman is vastly more skilled, talented and experienced than Deku is. Deku has limited stamina that Batman can take advantage of. Batman is also far more resourceful so he would be capable of taking advantage of the location to quickly hide and set up an ambush for Deku.

Deku has a clear advantage statistically but Batman is simply more than capable of closing that gap as he has proven time and again throughout his history.

 

[TheArsenal1212]

Switching to Batman FRA

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Switches to BAtman FRA but that restriction.

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

I count eight votes for Bats now, and that's not including people who appear ambiguous.

 

[Therefir]

I don't think this match should be added without before addressing my points.

As I said before, Chisaki, someone who couldn't even percieve Izuku's movements, was able to easily predict and dodge his attacks, now in this match where speed was equalized, Izuku is against someone who I suppose is much more skilled than Chisaki, and Izuku is not under the effects of adrenaline which is what allowed him to use 20% to fight Chisaki in the first place.

How exactly is he going to hit Batman, let alone win this match?

Izuku's chances of hitting Batman with 20% are less than zero, and he can't even use 20% to fight normally without being under the effects of adrenaline, that's why I keep saying this match is a stomp.

 

[Jasonsith]

I count eight votes for Bats now, and that's not including people who appear ambiguous.

So grace for ~5 more hours and some one can finally add it unless arguments for Izuku are ready?

 

[MrKingOfNegativity]

See what Therefir said.

If his side isn't addressed soon, I'll be closing it based on Batman stomping.

If it does get (successfully) addressed, then yeah. This can be added in five hours or so.

 

[Jasonsith]

Well Deku has an AP and durability advantage on paper bats has to launch some attacks to really take Deku down.

And by saying that this Batman skill stomps is saying that many matches need to be removed (esp. Matches on real animals being slaughtered by fictional characters who wins by skill and intelligence)

 

[Therefir]

OFA 20% doesn't increase his durability, so the advantage is almost nul.

Having the AP is useless when it's 100% certain that you are not going to hit your opponent no matter what, and I'm not talking about Batman's combat skills, I'm talking about Deku's weaknesses in this form.

 

[Qawsedf234]

That makes the difference ~3+ times right?
But Batman outskills so hard, I'm pretty sure he can take this. If I'm not mistaken there have been statements of Batman knowing every single martial arts, and at the very least he traveled 7 years around the world vigorously training. He was Ra's al Ghul's apprentice, who is the leader of the League of Shadows and one of the greatest martial artists in the world, whom Batman even beats. And Midoriya isn't that skilled or experienced when it comes to fighting.

Just a scan dump for skill statements

• Stated as mastering virtually every known combat martial art
• States that he's learned every martial art
• Narration states that he is a master of all fighting arts
• Report states that he's the most skilled person in the world
• Guidebook states that he has master virtually all forms of combat
• Batman has a disk where he explains 127 different martial arts that he has mastered (guidebook with a similar statement )
• He teaches the League of Assassins moves they have never seen before and is called the most skilled combatant in the world
• Guidebook states that he's a master of every single martial art

All of this is important as he has fused all of his known martial arts into a specialized super style . Now some people may be asking "Well that's good and all, but that's for Post-Crisis Batman and this is Post-Flashpoint". But its noted that PF Batman uses the same style as PC Batman here by Superman when he was watching him.

So for refrence we're not talking about some minor skill gap. We're talking about, basically, a composite human with every single known form of combat martial art fused into one ultimate style vs an intelligent street brawler. This also isn't factoring in Batman's ability to just read people's bodies or nerve strikes that can incap people instantly

 

[Ogbunabali]

Thank you. I think those scans should be linked to the profiles, I've some saying that Batman is just a street brawler.

 

[Therefir]

God, I wish that Deku would someday have at least a minuscule part of that combat skill.

 

[Qawsedf234]

To add he also has stuff like this where he mixes five different martial arts styles into one lunge. So if he needs to use more agility based or precision styles he'll totally use them.

 

[Ogbunabali]

He ca also do pressure point strikes.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Could be boasting, but Nightwing has also said that Batman knows every single nerve strike in the DCU . But basically, I agree that with the skill gap and various one shot moves Batman has he stands a good chance at consistently winning. At least, if he manages to last long enough to use those styles.

 

[Therefir]

So Batman can also one-shot Izuku, there goes his only "advantage".

 

[CCMac27]

Think I'll change my vote to Batman

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Batman Logic can pressure point Deku down.

sure you read profiles?.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So is the grace period over?

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Darn it Deku.

 

[Jasonsith]

While Batman clearly will win in this match, people are yelling this is a skill stomp and cannot be added as a notable match unless one winning condition for Deku is found achievable.

Else...

 

[Qawsedf234]

My main issues are the following

• Batman is unlikely to bust out the nerve attacks from the start. Only after the fight has gone on for a bit.

• Despite being vastly less skilled, Deku's shockwave attacks means that he does have a chance to tag Bruce.

Now I do get why someone would give Batman the win automatically. But Its not like Superman vs Deku where Deku is just incapable of doing anything against his opponent. There is a means for him to win, its just that Batman's greater experience and better skill make it hard for Deku to easily get that win.

 

[Therefir]

Again, the problem is not just Batman's combat skills, the real problem is Deku's weaknesses in 20%.

No one has successfully addressed my points, people keep saying that Batman's combat skills are not stomp worthy when I wasn't even talking about that, the only thing I said was that Batman is far superior in combat skills than Chisaki, who can easily dodge Izuku's attacks because at 20% his movements are extremely predictable, that's the real point, his weaknesses.

I'm pretty sure matches have been closed before because one of the characters has a serious weakness in certain forms or against certain type of attacks that made the battle a stomp.

 

[Jasonsith]

(Ditto)

I have stopped saying "Batman's combat skills are not stomp worthy" for a while. Now I am just asking if anyone for Deku would suggest a feasible winning condition for Deku, which could translate from his (only) AP advantage (20% does not even boost durability).

Otherwise not just this match cannot be added, other concluded matches may need rematches.

 

[Therefir]

Sorry I got confused with other people's arguments.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

Bring it on home Brucey Boy FRA

 

[KingEzran]

It was already home.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

Where is it on his account, then?

 

[KingEzran]

To be fair, Bats is locked. I don't know why it hasn't been added to Midoriya's profile yet.

 

[TitanCrusher101]

Oh. It's been this long, somebody needs to get people who can add this. It's an obvious win, lol. (Saying this off of votes only)

 

[Therefir]

Because it's a stomp?

 

[TitanCrusher101]

How so?