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This is a continuation of this dis-continued thread:
Though I am not proposing for this to be an AP feat, more specifically a range and speed feat
This will also only temporarily be in the calc forum, after the calc for this feat has been fully addressed we can move this onto the regular CRTs, though here we can still discuss on the feat itself.
In the next two pages it's revealed by Kibito that Super Saiyan 3's power reached the Kaioshin Realm they're in
Herms himself translated how in DB, パワー (power) is an explicitly distinguished stat from 気 (Ki)
Here power is used to describe the shockwave generated from Goku's movement
And many more examples listed in the previous thread:
Though this feat is kinda ki related. The feat is performed via SS3 Goku's explosive ki, many times before we see that explosive aura can cause vibrations that destroy/affect the area around the user
It's also shown to be able to cause powerful gusts of wind
This means Goku can accomplish this feat via vibrations/force that comes from his aura, a sort of chain reaction if you will. Similar to how vibrations or shockwaves can be the result of a regular explosion
It's (again...) similar to an explosion yield, how it gets weaker the further it is from the centre, so while Earth can feel it shaking, those away from the center are barely affected
Not much to elaborate here, it's as simple as it can be. Since DBZ is a big verse more calc members just need to go over it but it already has the approval of one calc member currently.
Super Saiyan 3 Goku, all versions of Buu (Even the weakest Buus are comparable to Super Saiyan 3 Goku), Super Saiyan Gotenks (pre-RoSaT; currently accepted as being above SS3 Goku), Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT; superior to himself before), Vegito (Superior to SS3 Goku)
DBS Anime and Manga:
bog Vegeta (Surpassed a stronger SS3 Goku)
DBS Manga only:
Pretty much all the current profiles except for Gas and Granola in their first keys and Bardock
Note: Toei is already far above this feat by the time of the Other World Tournament Saga in terms of speed, but for range it should still be applied but just for Goku and Janemba's first key. The DBS anime at the start also surpasses this easily. Anyone who has Low Multiversal Range shall not have this applied in that section
SSJ3 Goku 4-B/4-A Justification Change
I read on SSJ3 Goku's profile that his 4-A rating is currently explained with: Comparable to Anime Kid Buu, who gradually obliterated entire galaxies) I believe this should be replaced with his own 4-A feat that he has, which would be cited before scaling. The Feat After Goku transforms...
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This will also only temporarily be in the calc forum, after the calc for this feat has been fully addressed we can move this onto the regular CRTs, though here we can still discuss on the feat itself.
1. The Feat Itself
After Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3, a large explosive aura surrounds him that pushes back Buu and Babidi (this happens in the Toei anime as well)In the next two pages it's revealed by Kibito that Super Saiyan 3's power reached the Kaioshin Realm they're in
This is really impressive as it showcased how Goku's power from transforming can reach whole other worlds from Earth in just a short amount of time, making this feat blatantly Massively FTL+ in speed and big in range.と…とても信じられん…こ…この聖域にまでパワーがとどくなんて
I can't believe the power reached this sacred region
2. This is a regular physical force, not ki (kinda)
It's verbatim stated to be Goku's power that reached the Kaioshin Realm, not ki. These are not one of the same thing as many times throughout the manga there is a distinction made between the two.Herms himself translated how in DB, パワー (power) is an explicitly distinguished stat from 気 (Ki)
Other feats we see in the series have this happen too, like when Jiren powers up it's the force caused from his aura that reaches everyone in the stadiumここまで気の圧力がとどいていてくるなんて
The force of his Ki is reaching this far
Here power is used to describe the shockwave generated from Goku's movement
And many more examples listed in the previous thread:
Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P14.3 Context: after fighting merged Piccolo for a long time No.17: “Heh. Even if our power is on par, it looks like a gap is starting to open up between our stamina…My energy is infinite, and never falls…”
Chapter: 387 (DBZ 193), P10.3, P13.1-4 Context: Goku just achieved Super Saiyan Grade III for the first time. Gohan: “Ab-absolutely incredible power! You’ll definitely be able to defeat Cell like this!” [ ] Goku: “I can’t win like this…Probably not…[ ] With my muscles swelled up like this, my power greatly increases, but it kills my speed. Huge power doesn’t mean anything if I can’t hit my opponent…And it uses up energy at too intense a rate. Balance-wise, regular Super Saiyan is best. I know that well enough…”
Chapter: 431 (DBZ 237), P13.5-7, P14.2-6 Context: taking the punch machine preliminaries test Kuririn: “Hey, don’t put too much power into it! You’ll break the machine.” No.18: “I know.” she hits it Referee guy: “Se-se-se-774!? I-I’m sorry, it seems to be malfunctioning! Wait a minute.”
Chapter: 421 (DBZ 227), P12.3 Context: talking about the ‘golden warrior’ Random guy: “He had absolutely incredible speed and power…! He knocked over the fleeing robbers’ car from a distance with a…what would you call it?...It looked like a kiai…”
Chapter: 371 (DBZ 177), P6.4 No.16: “According to my calculations, my power is about equal to Cell’s.”
Chapter: 373 (DBZ 179), P5.4, P6.1, P8.3 Cell: “Even I’m surprised at this magnificent speed…Obviously this is thanks to absorbing No.17…I wonder what my power’s like? [he blasts No.16] Hoh…Seems that’s gone up quite a bit too…”
Chapter: 411 (DBZ 217), P8.1 Context: after Cell bulks up Trunks: “He’s using a transformation that’s too concerned with power, so his speed can’t keep up…Cell himself is making the same mistake he pointed out to me…! He’s really lost it…”
Chapter: 414 (DBZ 220), P14.2 Context: after getting hit by Cell’s attack while saving Vegeta Gohan: “Cell’s power has gone up more than I thought…”
Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P8.3 Cell: “I’ll keep absorbing human life energy unnoticed, and steadily increase my power. And once I’ve greatly exceeded the power of No.17 and No.18, I’ll force them to merge with me…!”
Chapter: 367 (DBZ 173), P14.3-5 Cell: “This fierce ki belongs to Piccolo, now that he’s merged with God...! And the only opponents who he’d fight with this much power are…No.17 and No.18! I’ve found you! What good timing! I’ll be there soon! Just you wait! My power already surpasses yours!”
Chapter: 335 (DBZ 141), P2.3 Trunks: “3 years from this current era, on May 12th around 10:00 AM, a terrifying pair will appear on an island 9 kilometers to the southwest of South City…Monsters with tremendous power unlike anything in this world…”
Though this feat is kinda ki related. The feat is performed via SS3 Goku's explosive ki, many times before we see that explosive aura can cause vibrations that destroy/affect the area around the user
It's also shown to be able to cause powerful gusts of wind
This means Goku can accomplish this feat via vibrations/force that comes from his aura, a sort of chain reaction if you will. Similar to how vibrations or shockwaves can be the result of a regular explosion
3. Why not Attack Potency?
The original thread that first introduced this feat proposed for this to be 4-A due to it reaching the Kaioshin Realm. An issue with this is that it did not show or imply any affect from this feat, nothing about Goku's power shaking anything or threatening anything within it's distance except for Earth, not even Gohan initially noticed it affecting the Kaioshin RealmIt's (again...) similar to an explosion yield, how it gets weaker the further it is from the centre, so while Earth can feel it shaking, those away from the center are barely affected
4. Calculation
Here is the calculation of the feat:Goku's power reaches the Kaiōshin Realm
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5. Conclusion
From what I've detailed before this is a chain reaction-like feat via aura, so for the profiles it should be "Massively FTL+ and Universal via shockwaves from aura (17.89856 quadrillion c/At least 17.89856 quadrillion c/At least 17.89856 quadrillion c. The vibrations from his aura can reach the Kaioshin Realm from Earth/Comparable to/Superior to Super Saiyan 3 Goku)"This applies to:
DBZ Manga:Super Saiyan 3 Goku, all versions of Buu (Even the weakest Buus are comparable to Super Saiyan 3 Goku), Super Saiyan Gotenks (pre-RoSaT; currently accepted as being above SS3 Goku), Base Gotenks (post-RoSaT; superior to himself before), Vegito (Superior to SS3 Goku)
DBS Anime and Manga:
bog Vegeta (Surpassed a stronger SS3 Goku)
DBS Manga only:
Pretty much all the current profiles except for Gas and Granola in their first keys and Bardock
Note: Toei is already far above this feat by the time of the Other World Tournament Saga in terms of speed, but for range it should still be applied but just for Goku and Janemba's first key. The DBS anime at the start also surpasses this easily. Anyone who has Low Multiversal Range shall not have this applied in that section