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Goku VS Godzilla : The battle of the Stronger incarnation (Grace)

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Gojii-san said:
2-B vs 2-A...pretty sure that at these tiers, the difference is too great
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I was told on another thread that hax from low 2-Cs are considered to work on 2-As so since this Goku is 2-B, his hax should work.
 
Godzilla King of the Monsters 2019 said:
What is Goku gonna do? Sure he should be 2-A as well which would make this more fair but at 2-B, he can't hurt Godzilla at all.
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Life force absorption, BFR, probability manipulation or summoning Super Shenron / going shenron mode with Super Shenron should allow him to hax Godzilla to win, i don't see any resistance to those on Godzilla's profile.

I could be missing something though.
 
Wirewerewolf said:
Does Godzilla got a way to counter IT?
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Not as far as i'v seen and in the game proper, his accuracy ain't that good to begin, that's why i believe Godzilla's AP won't give him the win before Goku decide to use one of his hax Godzilla has no resistance to, like Life Draw, which is used on the third turn general (pretty long game wise but combat wise that make it Goku's third move in a fight).
 
Xeno Goku is not that weak as even if he's 2B he is ridiculously High into 2B so he isn't weak Xeno Goku AP wise is one of the strongest 2B character on site.
 
Omegas03 said:
What does Goku have to counter Godzilla's literally infinite AP advantage?
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As i said Life force absorption, BFR, probability manipulation or summoning Super Shenron / going shenron mode with Super Shenron.

Goku basicaly start with probability manipulation BTW, that's part of the 'CQC combo with maybe a kamehameha' IIRC, Zenkaibattery can probably explain it better though, it's a weird mechanic.
 
How potent is Xeno Goku's prob manip and life absorption?

BFR would work considering Godzilla doesn't seem to have a good range, but I dunno if Goku will use it IC.

Just remember that Goku has to get any of these done before Godzilla just punches lol.
 
Omegas03 said:
How potent is Xeno Goku's prob manip and life absorption?
BFR would work considering Godzilla doesn't seem to have a good range, but I dunno if Goku will use it IC.

Just remember that Goku has to get any of these done before Godzilla just punches lol.
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I don't know for the probability manipulation but the life absorption is basicaly to the death, nothing stop Goku as long as Godzilla doesn't resist as far as i know.

Before Godzilla land a punch you mean, which IT and it being Super Robot Wars make unlikely TBH, i played that game and Godzilla had really bad odds at hitting IIRC (or maybe it was one of the EVAs)
 
If Godzilla doesn't really have a counter for anything Goku does this is probably a stomp...

Goku stomping a 2-A, woah
 
No clue, Goku can hax but Godzilla can one shot, Goku is more likely to hax than Godzilla is to one shot IMO.
 
Is it really in character for Goku to hax though? He's more than likely to go in for good ol' H2H, and proceed to promptly get murdered.

Unless this version of Goku is different, then I am unawares.
 
Well, the life force thing always activate on round 3 IIRC no matter who use it and that's the best we get for how those characters fight so he won't start with it but he'll use it pretty fast, no idea when he use the sealing though, should ask Zenkaibattery about that, he know a lot about DBH.

Also yeah, that Goku is pretty different, he swear more and nuked a timeline of evil / full of evil once.
 
Dragomer said:
Life force absorption, BFR, probability manipulation or summoning Super Shenron / going shenron mode with Super Shenron should allow him to hax Godzilla to win, i don't see any resistance to those on Godzilla's profile.

I could be missing something though.
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Godzilla's healing and Regenerationn should be able to take care of the draw ability, as for BFR he should be able to resist it as he fought against the Anti-Spiral who has these hacks on his page.

Also, what happens when Shenron is summoned in Heroes? Because from what I've seen, Goku just uses it as a brief amp to his physical and ki attacks and creates the Dragon Kamehameha
 
Low mid isn't enough to counter the draw ability, far from it IMO, i don't think low mid would even restore vital energy since it's a bit different from a physical injury and i don't see BFR resistance on Godzilla's profile and Anti-Spiral didn't use BFR in their fight anyway.

Should ask Zenkaibattery about that, he's the one who brough up Shenron Mode but Goku should be able to use Shenron's reality warping ability or at least wish stuff.
 
Godzilla's regen should be above low-mid since he seems to have instantly healed hiswhole body getting hit by the amped Eva-Kiryu hitting him with the Absolute Zero Canon, which being absolute zero breaks you apart at the molecular level, true in real science and in the Godzilla series. Also Godzilla's profile is still being updated often, so that doesn't really mean anything. And given the fact the Anti-Spiral was in his third form, it should be very easy for him to use.

I also find it a tad disingenuous to hold Goku to a hypothetical ability with Shenron mode but not give Godzilla BFR resistance when A) this Anti-Spiral used a 2-A BFR on the EVAs and B) Godzilla fought the Anti-Spiral.

On top of that, Goku shouldn't start with the draw ability anyway, especially since he's in Super Saiyan 4 where he mostly focuses on just beating the crap out of a foe. For example, he uses none of these hacks against Capsule Corp Goku, Cumber or Mechikabura in the anime, game or manga.


So Godzilla, who is at least 300-1,500x baseline 2-A, should just one shot from the beginning since he's beyond INFINITELY more powerful. And speed is equal, so it would be absurd for Goku to never get hit by ANY of Godzilla's attacks.
 
As i said, he has low mid, regenerating limbs and organs doesn't allow you to resist life force stuff nor the draw ability as it worked on the likes of Buu.

How easy it would be doesn't matter since Anti Spiral factualy didn't use BFR either way.

People wishing with Shenron isn't hypothetical and Shenron mode is on Goku's profile while BFR resistance isn't on Godzilla's page.

Draw is an ability that use itself on round 3 so saying Goku wouldn't use it quick goes against how the ability work and technicaly, all those characters could use draw or resist it (might be wrong on that.)

It wouldn't be absurb, Goku has teleportation, flight and crazy skill as well as a very good track record when it come to dodging while Godzilla in SRW has pretty crappy hitting odds.
 
He should have higher. Also, the A.T fields of the EVAs (at least in their extended lore , which should apply as they appear to be the same variations) should be able to directly avoid damage given their infinite energy and abstract existence, based around the lifeforce of the user but Godzilla was able to simply go to town on them so Godzilla himself should be able to interact with lifeforce anyway so using Draw on him wouldn't be a oneshot, and again, Godzilla can restore 45% of his health at any time of his choosing. Also Super Saiyan 4 Xeno Goku doesn't use it. And OP said they're starting at their strongest.

Dude you're using a double standard. You're allowing Xeno Goku to use Shenron's hacks even though Shenron Mode is only usedfor power and healing while not allowing Godzilla's own hacks which are likely used on him since its in character for Anti Spiral and the Evas to use their hacks and on top of that, it's exclusive for Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta, why would Xeno Goku even have it?

Anyway, prove Anti-Spiral didn't attempt it at all. Just because Godzilla DIDN'T get BFRed doesn't mean it wasn't used on him. Plus the profile doesn't even show that he fought the Anti-Spiral, but I showed evidence that he did. That goes to show Goddzilla's profile isn't complete, so just trying to bind him to it is stupid.

That's a game mechanic. That is literally a game mechanic. Goku in this battle wouldn't just sit there, throw an attack, get hit (as he'd die instantly), throw another, get hit and then get to use draw by existing. He'd have to summon the draw card or bring it with him.

It would be absurd, you're literally using a game mechanic to try and bind Godzilla's ability to fight when he's capable of fighting sentient mecha-creatures and human beings with decades of combat experience ALL at the same time and not only holds his own but is winning, forcing a 6,000 times amp to be used on him to even make him back down and those characters have teleportation, shields, experience, mental linking, teamwork, durability negation, healing, etc, to use against Godzilla, which should make up for the difference in skill Goku would have. Also the characters have martial arts experience too, so that's not an instant win.
 
Maybe he should, maybe he shouldn't, in the end it's what is on his profile that matters.

Percing through EVA's AT field doesn't suddenly give any resistance to Godzilla nor it give him infinite life force so draw still very much kill him.

He can't do if he is dead and health =/= life force, health clearly represent coming back from physical damage just like Energy represent the power for their special attack and he still doesn't have resistance to any of what i brough up on his profile.

SSJ4 Goku doesn't lose any of his previous ability.

I am not, we saw people wish stuff at the Shenrons in every single DB product ever, it's their explicit duty, even if you really want to argue Shenron mode suddenly stop that, Goku just summon him and wish instead of going Shenron mode, it's still the same result and Anti Spiral still didn't use his BFR in their fight so him having it and Godzilla fighting him doesn't suddenly give Godzilla a resistance to something that was never even mentionned during his actual feat.

So is Godzilla getting back 45% health and you still tried to use it and the majority of game mechanics in Heroes are canon to the story.

Goku fought people with millions of years of experience and they didn't have shit on him skill wise so that's not an arguments.
 
Not really, like I showed it's an INCOMPLETE profile. Why are you being so hypocritical? You're using nonsensical and non-applicable stuff for Goku, but denying logical stuff for Godzilla. This fallacious crap is starting to get really annoying.

Why not? Just saying it doesn't isn't a reason. I'm arguing Godzilla has to be able to interact with lifeforce to break the A.T. field, which I proved, and since he's 2-A, he is INHERENTLY infinitely more powerful and durable than Goku is. Can you prove Draw can absorb lifeforce infinitely beyond what the user has?

So, I looked a bit, and found a translation about the ability.It's only usable by Gods and Demon Gods . Xeno Goku CANNOT use this hack. Draw doesn't even kill. It's not going to one-shot someone with beyond infinitely more health, energy and durability than the user. So unless you bring in Demigra, Chronoa, Beerus, etc; Goku can't do anything with this power.

Yes you are. Shenron Mode Goku DOESN'T bring back teammates from the dead, all Shenron mode does is heal the user and amp their attack potency. Also, if you're going to argue that Shenron can remove Godzilla with his hacks, you seem to forget that the dragons can't affect someone more powerful than them. And Shenron/Super Shenron in Heroes don't scale to Demigra, Mechikabura, Hearts or anyone with multiversal (or higher) feats. So with Godzilla being SO much stronger than Goku or Shenron, I could argue that Godzilla would just resist whatever Xeno Goku tried. Again, PROVE that Anti-Spiral didn't use BFR against Godzilla, you can't just SAY he didn't. BFR is on Anti Spiral's profile, so by your logic he probably used it against Godzilla. Especially because Godzilla is able to damage Anti-Spiral.

Prove ANYTHING you just said. Also, Godzilla's still able to constantly regenerate.

Xeno Goku fought Beerus once and lost. Also he never fought Demigra, Mechikabura, or anyone like that alone. He often had help from other Time Patrollers and the Supreme Kai of Time. Also, yes it is. It's a better argument actually than what you used.
 
So, Godzilla one shots badly. Goku can't do anything about it. Both can be upscaled hundreds to billions of times the baseline of their tier, but Godzilla's infinitely stronger thanks to his 2-A scaling.

Since this debate proved Godzilla can resist everything Xeno Goku has, and Godzilla wins in raw AP and durability, even with speed being equal, Godzilla wins without question.
 
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