Goku New Feat

[TheAbsoluteOne]

Anybody gonna make a calculation for that black hole feat in episode 118?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

He is already universal, tanking blackholes isn't impressive for someone on his level.

Nothing wrong with getting a calc for curiosities sake though.

 

[Megamangohan]

you could do this calc for android 18

 

[AguilaR101]

Is it a legit blackhole?

If it is it could be useful to scale people to a weakened goku at least.

 

[TheAbsoluteOne]

He is already universal, tanking blackholes isn't impressive for someone on his level.
Nothing wrong with getting a calc for curiosities sake though.

Yeah, I wasn't asking for content revision or anything. I just wanted to see if someone calculated that feat.

 

[Shock97]

If this and the Goku vs Jiren clash are accepted as actual black holes they need to be added as feats. I don't think anyone would be against more concrete feats for DB characters.

 

[TheAbsoluteOne]

Is it a legit blackhole?
If it is it could be useful to scale people to a weakened goku at least.

Whis explains

"the weight of their love focused into one point to create a mass of gravity"

Dudes who made the attack

"Behold! A cage of love that even light cannot escape from! Its weight shatters the earth and sinks!

Sounds like a legit black hole, or at least functions like one.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

From what i have seen of black hole calcs, something as small as like a ball, can get you to High 4-C, which is oddly what android 18's current tier is, but that black hole was bigger than a ball, so probably come out to like solar system level.

 

[Therefir]

I want to know if with that feat we can finally get lifting strength.

 

[AguilaR101]

What's funny is the fact that IT wasn't fast enough to escape the blackhole's gravity but Goku's KHH actually was.

 

[TheAbsoluteOne]

What's funny is the fact that IT wasn't fast enough to escape the blackhole's gravity but Goku's KHH actually was.

Well, its already been confirmed that dragonball characters can fire beams that are faster than light.

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

@TheAbsoluteOne

However, IT is not only faster but can cover more distance than any of ki wave techniques.

Instant > than FTL

 

[AguilaR101]

The blackhole in this instances has some crazy pull because Goku's KHH is roughly in the quadrilions of times FTL and was struggling to brak free from it.

And if the whole KHH being faster than IT it would make goku's kamehameha in the order of quintillions if we take 1 second as an instant.

 

[AKM sama]

This was for the pre-BoG base Goku who was 4-B, I guess.
I would like to match the results of the black hole feat with this and see whether Android 18 can be 4-B as well.

However, Goku was already very tired and weakened and 17 is way above 18 so it'll only be valid for characters around 18's level.

 

[Therefir]

I'm pretty sure that tired Goku is already stronger than ssj blue goku from Zamasu's saga, also he needs to use Ssj blue kaioken in order to his kamehameha destroy the pretty black hole.

 

[Kaltias]

Without mass-energy (which we don't use without a statement) planet sized black holes are High 4-C.

 

[AguilaR101]

The thing is that 18 actually made the Blackhole grow in size by throwing a random ki blast into it, so one can figure that her AP is a fraction of the power of the three dudes who created it in the first place.

 

[AguilaR101]

hilariously enough we have a visual showing of the reverse, energy turning into mass for the blackhole.

 

[Kaltias]

Absorbing energy can be done by any black hole tho. The fact that it does it simply means that it's a legit black hole, not that it was created via mass-energy

 

[AKM sama]

What kind of statement is actually needed for that?

 

[Therefir]

It was created with the power of love, who is a kind of energy ovo

 

[Kaltias]

Something like Binary saying that she is converting the black hole into energy, only reversed

 

[AKM sama]

IIRC there were words like weight and gravity.

 

[Kaltias]

K, but again, this only makes the black hole legit, not the usage of E=Mc^2

 

[AKM sama]

Sounds nitpicky imo, if it is behaving like a real black hole in any way, the equation should be valid too.

 

[Kaltias]

I never said that it can't be calculated as a black hole?

 

[AguilaR101]

I don't think the equation is needed at all.

It won't yield anything more than 4-B, but it's not like the feat is unusable, the fact that 18 made it grow in size considerably means she can unleash energy comparable to characters who are 3-A by scaling, which supports her feat of defeating ribbrianne.

 

[Lord_Zeref_Dragneel]

I'm actually interested in the results. Can anyone calc this feat?

 

[Kaltias]

I mean if someone has a scan of the black hole where I can pixel scale, I can calculate it

 

[AKM sama]

Welp

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DodoNova2/Goku_Vs_a_pretty_Black_Hole_(2)

 

[Kaltias]

A radius of 16 metres yields 5-A or something like that.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as far as I have been informed, real black holes should be able to destroy anything, even higher-dimensional structures, but within fiction they recurrently do not at all share the same properties as in real life, so they are hard to quantify.

This is why we have the following page: Black Hole Feats in Fictio

 

[Kaltias]

Well as the page says, it is a feat of black hole resistance, it simply isn't a durability feat.

 

[AguilaR101]

Just two relevant things:

1) A SSB Goku KHH was required to escape the gravitational pull of the blackhole -This proves the technique itself is 3-A because he was visible struggling against it

2) 18 made the blackhole grow in size by launching a ki blast into it, - which means her power is comparable to a technique that required SSB power to overcome

This probably adds more proof towards 18 being 3-A on top of the fact she fought ribrianne, it is also noted in this episode that this blackhole attack was something even the three girls could not achieve with their power own which means the guys scale to them.

 

[AKM sama]

Black holes are only theorised to destroy everything at its singularity only which is infinitesimally small. Any information about the centre of black hole is pure hypothesis.

A regular sized BH can't even one-shot a solar system, js.

 

[Antvasima]

I will watch the episode soon.

 

[Kaltias]

That's not true. The singularity is only the point where the tidal force is infinite. But the TF itself breaks down matter before reaching the singularity.

Also, a black hole doesn't "one-shot a solar system" because it slowly consumes everything, it doesn't explode or anything like that. If you were to place Saggitarius A where the Sun is located, you can bet that the solar system would be a mere memory shortly after

 

[Kaltias]

Also, given enough time your average black hole destroy the solar system as well. A supermassive one is overkill

 

[AKM sama]

That's what I said, a black hole is solar system level over time. There is nothing infinite about it apart from mere speculation/hypothesis/theories.

 

[Kaltias]

Except that this thing tells you that the force approaches infinity approaching the singularity