Goku New Feat

[AKM sama]

Except that this thing tells you that the force approaches infinity approaching the singularity

You mean the same singularity which is infinitesimally small and has no proof of existing besides theoritical hypothesis? Like I said, anything regarding the centre of black holes is mere assumption.

We don't treat SoL characters as possessing infinite energy, do we? Same should be applied to BH.

 

[AKM sama]

Anything FTL should have infinite energy, theoritically. But that's not the case in fiction.

Similarly, any theory which implies anything infinite for a BH should be dismissed because it's fiction.

 

[Kaltias]

So? It's the most coherent model so far and what is accepted by basically everyone. I don't see why it shouldn't be used.

Cool, then we simply disregard it saying that it isn't an actual black hole. The difference is, SoL people do not exist. Black holes do.

 

[AKM sama]

"then we simply disregard it saying that it isn't an actual black hole"

We don't even know what an actual black hole is, entirely.

Black holes do exist, okay. But anything about it being infinite doesn't exist. The only thing which exists is head-canon lol

 

[Kaltias]

So? Science isn't about knowing something entirely. The moment you know something entirely, it isn't something that you need to research anymore. We have models, they are coherent with what we know, and we use those as a starting point.

Again, i'll consider the singularity as a place where the tidal force is infinite until a better theory comes around.

 

[AKM sama]

Well I was just saying neither fiction generally follow the "infinite" theory about BH, nor do we have any legitimate evidence of it irl. Similar case as being FTL.

I personally think OBD's interpretation of BH feats makes much more sense.

 

[Kaltias]

Ok, but i'll stick to the current rules until it's agreed to use a new method

 

[AguilaR101]

Just to recap what evidence this blackhole has to justify it being considered one.


-stated to have weight, and being focused one point to create gravity

-stated to have a escape velocity above lightspeed

-Absorbed energy and grew in size

-Sunk to the ground once dropped


that's really about it.

conversely there are things that might throw people off:


-weird shape

-apparent lack of singularity (though we don't know what a singularity is supposed to look like)

 

[DodoNova2]

Well, I'm going to summarize;

• The black hole will not evolve anyone

• Probably Resistance to Gravity Manip (resistance to the black hole need not be transformed into "spaguetti" despite having either inside)

• This feat is legitimate black hole, several proof claims it (but it's not a "true" black hole)

Bonus: Goku kamehameha is faster than light

 

[AguilaR101]

I don't get how you can have a "legitimate" black hole that is not a "true" blackhole.

 

[DodoNova2]

Well if we want to quibble, this is a half black hole:

• It possesses the main property of a black hole (absorbed the light) and has an intense gravity but ....

• there is no singularity, no horizon, absorbs nothing around him and does not "sponge" anything

 

[AguilaR101]

The lack of an apparent singularity can be handwaved by the fact it's literally impossible to tell what it looks like in real life.

horizon?, the event horizon is everywhere where light can't escape.

We can very clearly see it absorbing debri before they launch the attack

it sponged 18's ki blast though and grew in size due to that

 

[DodoNova2]

The time around them should accelerate until the end of the Universe ect..., the fact that he grew up after absorbing the energy of kikoha of 18 does not help and it does not imply gravity so yes, it's not a real black hole

 

[Antvasima]

Well, this supposed black hole looked like a heart, did not suck people into it to completely destroy them in an infinite singularity, and simply seemed to greatly increase gravity, so I do not think that it behaved like a real black hole.

 

[AguilaR101]

Irrelevant, every one of these characters operate at FTL+ speeds, from their perspective an instant could last forever.

It's outright stated that the energy was concentrated to create gravity, it's demonstrated by the fact random debri is picked up and the fact the energy blasts curved around it and ultimately fell into its event horizon.

we can also see a glowing outline which implies a photon sphere is present.

 

[Antvasima]

A real black hole would not increase gravity away from itself, but rather suck in everything towards it.

 

[AguilaR101]

Which is pretty much what it does from the outside, the portrayal of the inside effects don't disprove anything as you'd be trying it to compare to something we don't have an idea what it looks like.

 

[Antvasima]

We have to go by how science describes that black holes operate. Othervise we accept anything whatsoever that simply happens to use an inaccurately applied word.

I would appreciate if you drop this subject, as I am too busy to continue repeating myself.

 

[Joseph619]

All gravity manipulation is black hole now? This is ridiculous. This thread should be locked right away.

 

[Antvasima]

Agreed. I will close it now.