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Goku SSJ 4 Form needs upgrade to Galaxy level.
Kills Omega Shenron once: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-88hFymOA0
Kills Omega Shenron once: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-88hFymOA0
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Goku (GT) Upgrade
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I think he was capable of doing that with the Dragon Fist only otherwise his punches would have been doing that type of damage and he and Vegeta wouldn't have needed to fuse.
The Dragon Fist is like the Destructo Disc or the Tri Beam these moves effect people much stronger then the user such as Krillin cutting Nappa and Frieza, and Tien holding down Semi-Perfect Cell.
That's how I see the Dragon Fist, another example is how Hurdigarn could lay out SS3 Gotanks and Ultimate Gohan (I think it was Ultimate Gohan but I can't remember) but got bodied by SS3 Goku's Dragon Fist.
So GT SS4 Goku would be Galaxy Level with Dragon Fist, this is just my opinion tho.
The Dragon Fist is like the Destructo Disc or the Tri Beam these moves effect people much stronger then the user such as Krillin cutting Nappa and Frieza, and Tien holding down Semi-Perfect Cell.
That's how I see the Dragon Fist, another example is how Hurdigarn could lay out SS3 Gotanks and Ultimate Gohan (I think it was Ultimate Gohan but I can't remember) but got bodied by SS3 Goku's Dragon Fist.
So GT SS4 Goku would be Galaxy Level with Dragon Fist, this is just my opinion tho.
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It should scale to that one move when it's being used as it did kill him, but in no way should it apply to all of his normal moves as they were completely ineffective.
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Yeah, Dragon Fist is basically Goku's Trump card, it allowed him to even plow through S17 in base, a SSJ4 tier fighter.
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Well it's true though. If Goku was able to plow through Omega Shenron who has Galaxy Level durability then Goku would logically be Galaxy Level with the Dragon Fist.
It makes sense. SSJ4 Goku at the Time is already At least 4-A and not that far behind Omega. Him being Galaxy Level via only his Dragon Fist would not be far off.
It makes sense. SSJ4 Goku at the Time is already At least 4-A and not that far behind Omega. Him being Galaxy Level via only his Dragon Fist would not be far off.
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So. Base Goku should have Multi-Solar System level+ Ap via Dragon Fist because he pierced through Super 17 while SS4 Shadow Dragon Saga Goku should have Galaxy level Ap via Dragon Fist because it obliterated Eis Shenron and pierced through Omega Shenron. Lastly Post Dragon Balls Absorption Goku should be 3-C and at least 3-C 100 years later after his training with Shenron.
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If you allow me to explain myself, I can debunk Galaxy level GT entirely.
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Yes.
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The video is lying and actually debunks itself.
Also it incorrectly translates the RAW Script (There's no immediately, and no multiple galaxies) in the explanations.
And the statements in the Itallian Version of the GT Files are completely out of context and mistranslated, also GT Files states that Buu Saga Super Vegito = Baby Saga SSJ4, so it's not a reliable source.
Also it incorrectly translates the RAW Script (There's no immediately, and no multiple galaxies) in the explanations.
And the statements in the Itallian Version of the GT Files are completely out of context and mistranslated, also GT Files states that Buu Saga Super Vegito = Baby Saga SSJ4, so it's not a reliable source.
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@matt for the latter part, it only mentions that Vegito may possibly be equal to Baby Saga SSJ4, rather than that it is equal.
Also how would that be unreliable?
Also how would that be unreliable?
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^correction, the files don't say that, it was some sort of anime pamphlet guide or somthing that stated that
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Isn't Kid Buu's feat MSS+ tho?
And even assuming it isn't, isn't even Base Vegito an unqualifiable amount stronger than even Kid Buu?
And even assuming it isn't, isn't even Base Vegito an unqualifiable amount stronger than even Kid Buu?
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GT Base Goku = Kid Buu = SSJ3 Goku = SSJ Gotenks <<< SSJ3 Gotenks = Super Buu << Ultimate Gohan < Gotenks Buu <<< Ultimate Buu <<<<< Base Vegito ?
Is that not how we scaled it? Is there another one?
Of course, in retrospect, this doesn't matter considering what Peter said....
Is that not how we scaled it? Is there another one?
Of course, in retrospect, this doesn't matter considering what Peter said....
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If the world cosmos by Popo and the Galaxy Busting statements from Omega Shenron are unreliable i disagree to downgrade them to baseline Multi-Solar System level. Also AppleLord the SS4 Galaxy level Goku is only with the Dragon Fist as he is Galaxy level only after absorbing the Dragon Balls and at least Galaxy level after the 100 years training.
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Well, if the Galaxy Level is debunked, then the Dragon Fist would end up with a different AP altogether.
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...And where did you get Super Baby Vegeta = Super Vegito?
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:OmegaPopo.jpg
This is what Popo says about the Evil Dragons' power. He says that long ago, an Evil Dragon was created, which led to the planet he was in being destroyed, and then the whole galaxy as well (The translation uses cosmos but he says "ginga").
This is a 4-A feat. There's no information about the timeframe, but the way Popo says it "First the planet, then the galaxy" implies overtime. And the fact that the information of this Evil Dragon managed to spread to other galaxies at all implies that there were at least some time for people to escape it. Either way, it is not instant.
Later, Omega Shenron repeatedly states that he will destroy the galaxy / universe. What does this mean in practice, tho?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:OmegaKai.jpg
The Kais explain it. Omega's minus energy would spread, first corrupting the entire planet over time, then destroying the planet after it was fully corrupted, then continually spreading across the universe and doing the same to the other planets and celestial bodies it encounters until the whole universe (Which as this is Toei Dragon Ball, is 3-B in scale) would be destroyed.
It's not an one-shot either case. It takes time and is a chain-reaction feat related to the Negative Energy and the Positive Energy colliding.
Now for the guidebooks. Ignoring the fact that this is the itallian translation of the Perfect Files and not the original, let's assume that the translation is at least mostly correct:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:ItallianGuidebook1.jpg
"lo scopo dei draghi malefici è quello di distrugere l'intera galassia! Visto che sono nati dall' energia negativa hanno solo desideri negativi! Si racconta che quando in passato sono apparsi su un planeta, questi venivo distrutto assiemealla galassia circostante"
This simply means that:
"The purpose of the evil dragons is to destroy the entire galaxy! As they are born from negative energy they only have negative desires! It is said that in the past when they appeared on a planet, it was destroyed alongside with the surrounding galaxy"
It's not a feat. It's simply stating that the Evil Dragons want to destroy the galaxy because they are pure evil and that in the past an evil dragon destroyed a galaxy. So, if their sole purpose and desire is destruction of the galaxy, they would have done it if they can do it in one-shot. They didn't.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:ItallianGuidebook2.jpg
Now for the second guidebook...
"E' dotato di una forza distruttiva straordinaria! Portera' la galassia alla distruzione!"
This literally means:
"He has an extraordinary destructive force! It will bring the galaxy to destruction!"
Once again, it is not an instantaneous destruction. Omega Shenron will bring the galaxy to destruction, but he can't one-shot a galaxy.
Because of this, the GT 3-Cs need to be downgraded to Multi-Solar System level+
This is what Popo says about the Evil Dragons' power. He says that long ago, an Evil Dragon was created, which led to the planet he was in being destroyed, and then the whole galaxy as well (The translation uses cosmos but he says "ginga").
This is a 4-A feat. There's no information about the timeframe, but the way Popo says it "First the planet, then the galaxy" implies overtime. And the fact that the information of this Evil Dragon managed to spread to other galaxies at all implies that there were at least some time for people to escape it. Either way, it is not instant.
Later, Omega Shenron repeatedly states that he will destroy the galaxy / universe. What does this mean in practice, tho?
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:OmegaKai.jpg
The Kais explain it. Omega's minus energy would spread, first corrupting the entire planet over time, then destroying the planet after it was fully corrupted, then continually spreading across the universe and doing the same to the other planets and celestial bodies it encounters until the whole universe (Which as this is Toei Dragon Ball, is 3-B in scale) would be destroyed.
It's not an one-shot either case. It takes time and is a chain-reaction feat related to the Negative Energy and the Positive Energy colliding.
Now for the guidebooks. Ignoring the fact that this is the itallian translation of the Perfect Files and not the original, let's assume that the translation is at least mostly correct:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:ItallianGuidebook1.jpg
"lo scopo dei draghi malefici è quello di distrugere l'intera galassia! Visto che sono nati dall' energia negativa hanno solo desideri negativi! Si racconta che quando in passato sono apparsi su un planeta, questi venivo distrutto assiemealla galassia circostante"
This simply means that:
"The purpose of the evil dragons is to destroy the entire galaxy! As they are born from negative energy they only have negative desires! It is said that in the past when they appeared on a planet, it was destroyed alongside with the surrounding galaxy"
It's not a feat. It's simply stating that the Evil Dragons want to destroy the galaxy because they are pure evil and that in the past an evil dragon destroyed a galaxy. So, if their sole purpose and desire is destruction of the galaxy, they would have done it if they can do it in one-shot. They didn't.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:ItallianGuidebook2.jpg
Now for the second guidebook...
"E' dotato di una forza distruttiva straordinaria! Portera' la galassia alla distruzione!"
This literally means:
"He has an extraordinary destructive force! It will bring the galaxy to destruction!"
Once again, it is not an instantaneous destruction. Omega Shenron will bring the galaxy to destruction, but he can't one-shot a galaxy.
Because of this, the GT 3-Cs need to be downgraded to Multi-Solar System level+
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But he can't one-shot. Right after Omega says that he will destroy the galaxy / universe, we are treated to the prolongued explanation of the process by the Elder Kai.
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Yeah. Destroying a 4 galaxy universe over time certainly doesn't require 3-C AP.
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Of course he did, but we don't know by how much.
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I just noticed that the scene showing the Minus Energy destroying the universe does indeed show only 4 galaxies (One of which went boom), lmao.
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Nowhere close.SomebodyData said:
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They are not Galaxy level as proven. A High 4-C MFTL+ can be a galactic threat, just like an Island level can be a Planetary threat.
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Buu destroyed a galaxy over a period of years.
Let's assume 1 galaxy in 1 year, and 100 billion stars in the galaxy, and let's assume that each time Buu destroys a star, he destroys the whole solar system as well..
100,000,000,000 stars / 31556926 seconds (Seconds in a year) = One solar system being destroyed every 52.8146077 minutes.
It's nowhere near Multi-Solar System level+
And if it is 400 billion stars, then it is 13.2036519 minutes.
Let's assume 1 galaxy in 1 year, and 100 billion stars in the galaxy, and let's assume that each time Buu destroys a star, he destroys the whole solar system as well..
100,000,000,000 stars / 31556926 seconds (Seconds in a year) = One solar system being destroyed every 52.8146077 minutes.
It's nowhere near Multi-Solar System level+
And if it is 400 billion stars, then it is 13.2036519 minutes.
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