Goku (GT) Upgrade

[Golden_Void]

Not the Kaioshin Realm, Grand Kai's planet .

4:53 King Kai: Stop that, what are you, insane? You'll destroy the planet!

5:23 Yamcha: That attack isn't meant for us, he's gonna blow up the whole darn planet!

 

[SomebodyData]

I'm not saying its 3-C, just a high end of 4-A (Not 4-A+, still lower than that) that due to the transformation boosts would result in 3-C shadow dragons. @Matt

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

But the Shadow Dragons can't one-shot a galaxy, I already proven it.

 

[SomebodyData]

Well, yes and no, you proved that the timeframes are ambiguous, likely resulting in them doing it over time, and that 3-B destruction can only come from the Negative Energy, however, ambiguity just means that from that alone we can't rate them 3-C, the power jump would still result in 3-C Shadow Dragons, hence getting rid of that problem.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

You can't jump from 4-A to 3-C without feats to back it up. All descriptions of the Evil Dragons are either 3-C over time, or 3-B over time through Minus Energy.

 

[SomebodyData]

Isn't Frieza in Tier 4 from power boosts?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Also, didn't Matt prove Buu to be 4-B?

 

[Joseph619]

Isn't Frieza in Tier 4 from power boosts?

Why are tiers being jumped because of scaling? It would become similar to calc stacking eventually

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Isn't Frieza in Tier 4 from power boosts?

>Assuming I don't find anyone below Cell to be higher than Large Star incorrect. ovo

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Anime Freeza is probably 4-C scaling from Cooler.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

We're referring to canon...

 

[The_Everlasting]

The tier jumps exist because we have two feats.

Frieza's High 5-A feat.

Cell's 4-B feat.

And we need a middle ground for characters between them.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

The tier jumps exist because we have two feats.
Frieza's High 5-A feat.

Cell's 4-B feat.

And we need a middle ground for characters between them.

canon or non canon?

 

[Joseph619]

That's not the case for Syn shenron here is it?

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Peter

Canon.

@Joseph

Nah, because there's no higher feat we need to bridge to.

 

[SomebodyData]

better example, Matt and Cal's suggested speed scaling still resulting in FTL SSJ Goku

 

[Joseph619]

Well, I guess a downgrade is in order then.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yes. It still does. What is the current re-calculated speed for End of Classic Goku, tho?

 

[SomebodyData]

?

We don't have any FTL feats for end of classic?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

@Somebody

I see. I got confused because unless I'm missing something, Buu never destroyed galaxies in the manga. He's only stated to destroy hundreds of planets overtime.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Somebody
I see. I got confused because unless I'm missing something, Buu never destroyed galaxies in the manga. He's only stated to destroy hundreds of planets overtime.

I believe that is an anime thing only. Maybe wrong tho.

 

[SomebodyData]

Yeah, that's correct. @Prof

How are you confused?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

I thought we didn't accept Anime material if it contradicts the manga canon. Unless does DB have special rules about this?

 

[Joseph619]

I thought we didn't accept Anime material if it contradicts the manga canon. Unless does DB have special rules about this?

We're talking about GT here, which itself is based on non canon

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

This does not effect the main canon. This only effects the anime canon, such as movies and GT.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I'm confused, are we talking about canon or no canon?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

We are talking about non canon.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

?
We don't have any FTL feats for end of classic?

23rd Budoukai.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Feats? No, I don't think we do.

 

[SomebodyData]

Oh that one.


What does that have to do with this?

 

[AppleLord]

Gt characters scale to movie characters right? Because most of the movie villians escape hell in Super Android 17 Saga. Kid Goku Gt Base stomp Frieza and Cell who became more powerful. Why do people think all of his forms are only Solar System level?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

"He stomped a Solar System character in base" is never an argument for an upgrade to 4-A.

 

[Dark649]

23rd Budoukai.

That one was during Dragon Ball and was far higher than all the feats in Z, including Piccolo Moon Blast and Gotenks, so we cannot use it.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

There are characters who are a tier for existing and being born and they don't tier jump. Why should DB be that exceptional to bypass our rules.

 

[The_Everlasting]

There are characters who are a tier for existing and being born and they don't tier jump. Why should DB be that exceptional to bypass our rules.

Some tier gaps are bigger than others.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

4-B has one of the biggest ones.

 

[AppleLord]

Base Goku GT is 4-A SSJ Goku GT is 4-A+ SSJ3 Goku GT is 4-A+ SSJ4 Goku GT is 4-A+ Solar system GT R.I.P. For not been canon.

 

[Joseph619]

Maybe the + sign should be removed?

 

[The_Everlasting]

4-B has one of the biggest ones.

I mean, only one person is suggesting a tier jump from 4-B to 4-A.

But I hilariously know a character who could be 4-A via scaling if certain things happen.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

@Cal I mean we have characters who jumped from 4-B-High 2-A or 7-B to High 2-A. Soooo, Dragon Ball isn't the only series with massive jumps.