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We assume 3 years. They shouldn't even be 4-A then.
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Goku (GT) Upgrade
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GT's Galaxy would have been destroyed very quickly, far quicker than Buu did in the past. Elder Kai said that the entire universe was in great danger and the galaxy would be destroyed "soon". So Multi-Solar System level fits, but 3-C doesn't.
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I'm more talking about those scaled to Buu rather than those scales to Shenron. You're completely right in that case.
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@Cal [1]
Hmmm I guess its not MSS+, but is it really that far off? Near the end, small but still quite seeable chunks of it are destroyed.
@Dark And? Super Vegito hasn't even been compared to GT SSJ3 Goku so it would appear more like speculation wouldn't it?
@Matt
Wouldn't Omega's destruction of the universe be a different method? This is considering the fact that while the negative energy is in fact 3-B through chain reaction, why didn't the previous dragons also destroy the universe, assuming same method?
The second guidebook never mentions instanteous or through multiple attacks,
Also the timeframe was extremely short. The gif I linked above depicts it in a second or two.
@Pachi check who made the thread before you say he derailed it...
Hmmm I guess its not MSS+, but is it really that far off? Near the end, small but still quite seeable chunks of it are destroyed.
@Dark And? Super Vegito hasn't even been compared to GT SSJ3 Goku so it would appear more like speculation wouldn't it?
@Matt
Wouldn't Omega's destruction of the universe be a different method? This is considering the fact that while the negative energy is in fact 3-B through chain reaction, why didn't the previous dragons also destroy the universe, assuming same method?
The second guidebook never mentions instanteous or through multiple attacks,
Also the timeframe was extremely short. The gif I linked above depicts it in a second or two.
@Pachi check who made the thread before you say he derailed it...
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The thing is, that's impossible.Antvasima said:
Syn Shenron was only created by Popo's wish to revive all of the Namekians at the end of the Frieza Saga, which was 28 years before GT.
It's impossible for him to have arisen a long time ago to destroy a galaxy, especially when the Dragon Balls themselves were never off Earth.
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The scaling would end up this way:
Baby/Super 17 Saga SS4 Goku, Great Ape Baby, Super 17, Eis Shenron: 4-A.
Shadow Dragon SS4 Goku, SS4 Vegeta, Nuova Shenron, Syn Shenron: At least 4-A
Omega Shenron, SS4 Dragon Fist Goku: 4-A+.
Gogeta: At least 4-A+.
Post Dragon Ball Absorptions Eos Goku: Unknown
Baby/Super 17 Saga SS4 Goku, Great Ape Baby, Super 17, Eis Shenron: 4-A.
Shadow Dragon SS4 Goku, SS4 Vegeta, Nuova Shenron, Syn Shenron: At least 4-A
Omega Shenron, SS4 Dragon Fist Goku: 4-A+.
Gogeta: At least 4-A+.
Post Dragon Ball Absorptions Eos Goku: Unknown
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I agree with Matt's post.
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PaChi2 said:
This threat is about an upgrade all who brought a downgrade for another character that scale are the ones that are derailing the threat.
SSJ4 Goku should be upgrade to Galaxy level with dragon fist, and continue the downgrade conversation in another thread.
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@Antvasima Nah it wasn't Omega Shenron, it was a shadow dragon of similar circumstances.
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That's a mistranslation of: "Si racconta che quando in passato sono apparsi su un planeta, questi venivo distrutto assiemealla galassia circostante"Antvasima said:
Which is saying that a evil dragon showed up in the past and destroyed a galaxy. People think it applies to Syn Shenron because it's listed under his info in the Guidebook.
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@Matt then perhaps it is the other galaxy's equivalent of Syn Shenron? Seems rather strange to be specifically under Syn Shenron.
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@SD
"Wouldn't Omega's destruction of the universe be a different method? This is considering the fact that while the negative energy is in fact 3-B through chain reaction, why didn't the previous dragons also destroy the universe, assuming same method?"
We literally one have a line of text about the past Evil Dragon (Singular). And only Syn Shenron has such a great control over the Minus Energy, which is what's going to destroy the universe.
"Also the timeframe was extremely short. The gif I linked above depicts it in a second or two."
That's because it's sped up, just like Broly destroying the galaxy. The narration of East Kai says that Buu was rampaging for years.
"Wouldn't Omega's destruction of the universe be a different method? This is considering the fact that while the negative energy is in fact 3-B through chain reaction, why didn't the previous dragons also destroy the universe, assuming same method?"
We literally one have a line of text about the past Evil Dragon (Singular). And only Syn Shenron has such a great control over the Minus Energy, which is what's going to destroy the universe.
"Also the timeframe was extremely short. The gif I linked above depicts it in a second or two."
That's because it's sped up, just like Broly destroying the galaxy. The narration of East Kai says that Buu was rampaging for years.
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SomebodyData said:
To be fair, I guess you could translate
"lo scopo dei draghi malefici è quello di distrugere l'intera galassia! Visto che sono nati dall' energia negativa hanno solo desideri negativi! Si racconta che quando in passato sono apparsi su un planeta, questi venivo distrutto assiemealla galassia circostante"
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"The purpose of this evil dragon is to destroy the entire galaxy! As he is born from negative energy he only has negative desires! It is said that in the past when he appeared on a planet, it was destroyed alongside with the surrounding galaxy"
Which would make the statement even less reliable as it is impossible. I just went with something that made sense.
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Ok, isn't that what I'm suggesting though lol?
I have doubts of that, because in the same scene we also see the planets blow up in a larger timeframe, so unless the planetary explosions took years to take...
East kai said that? You sure? Because I don't remember East Kai even participating in dialogue about Buu, I thought she only appeared in the Other World Tournament and Fusion Reborn?
I have doubts of that, because in the same scene we also see the planets blow up in a larger timeframe, so unless the planetary explosions took years to take...
East kai said that? You sure? Because I don't remember East Kai even participating in dialogue about Buu, I thought she only appeared in the Other World Tournament and Fusion Reborn?
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How is it less reliable?
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https://youtu.be/nq0bkP6gELo?t=61
This doesn't look like a guy destroying a galaxy in seconds to me.
This doesn't look like a guy destroying a galaxy in seconds to me.
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The gif also shows that prior to destroying the galaxy he only destroyed planets, and if we wanna get specific, even in the Buu Saga itself we see Buu takes his time (Earth) but next second just goes on a rampage, then back to taking time (OtherWorld and Supreme Kai's planet), etc... so it's more likely due to his unpredictable nature than that he simply walked through most of them.
Not to mention if we assume he went at that pace the entire time, he wouldn't even destroy half of the galaxy in a few years.
Not to mention if we assume he went at that pace the entire time, he wouldn't even destroy half of the galaxy in a few years.
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I would really like if people stopped using that gif as if it's literal. First of all, the fact that you don't even see Buu should give you a hint.
https://animefrost.org/anime/dragon-ball-z/s/1/episode/219/
Put on 19:20 to see the actual scene.
That destruction is shown during the toei equivalent of this scene. Ie, it is an allegorical representation of the destruction Majin Buu caused over years.
https://animefrost.org/anime/dragon-ball-z/s/1/episode/219/
Put on 19:20 to see the actual scene.
That destruction is shown during the toei equivalent of this scene. Ie, it is an allegorical representation of the destruction Majin Buu caused over years.
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GT is tiered along with the non-canon continuity of Z right?
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@SD. We don't use that timeframe. My best guess is because it's a use of cinematic timing.
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An allegorical scene would only have the destruction of planets, rather than also depict the galaxy no? Additionally, the lack of Buu would help prove it is an allegory, you logically shouldn't see a human sized creature when compared to planets.
Ie flashback.
@Cal that's not cinematic timing, something like Cooler's death (where there is scene cuts) would be cinematic timing.
Ie flashback.
@Cal that's not cinematic timing, something like Cooler's death (where there is scene cuts) would be cinematic timing.
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It isn't a literal scene, it showing planets or stars or galaxies being destroyed doesn't matter. The point is: Buu destroyed entire galaxies during his rampage. The timeframe of Buu's reign of destruction is a few years, and during those years he destroyed a galaxy at least.SomebodyData said:
We have no other timeframe and cannot assume that a visual representation of East Kai's narration is meant to be taken literally.
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Then why does Vegeta get planet level via statements, when Kid Buu was gonna blow up Grand Kai's planet, backed by statements, which is multi-galaxy in size?
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Because that's an outlier and unproven. Vegeta being Planet level is proven, specially in the anime where he actually has 5-A feats.
And I never seen ANY source repeat "Kid Buu was going to destroy the Kaioshin Realm", meanwhile Vegeta blowing up planets is constant.
And I never seen ANY source repeat "Kid Buu was going to destroy the Kaioshin Realm", meanwhile Vegeta blowing up planets is constant.
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It is isn't a literal scene? Couldn't I quite literally say that for any flashback?
I would agree with you if it was a showing of a few planets with no background at all, showcasing zero detail to the background and the planet or planets alone, hence it would be evident that it is just a portrayal of a planet's destruction.
But it doesn't, it showcase the world around it, and goes and does something not mentioned in the dialogue, which if it was only an allegory, it wouldn't have shown.
I would agree with you if it was a showing of a few planets with no background at all, showcasing zero detail to the background and the planet or planets alone, hence it would be evident that it is just a portrayal of a planet's destruction.
But it doesn't, it showcase the world around it, and goes and does something not mentioned in the dialogue, which if it was only an allegory, it wouldn't have shown.
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In the manga vegeta blowing up planets isn't actually.
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No, but since even Piccolo who is weaker than Raditz is Low 5-B, baseline Planet busting for Vegeta is a basic thing to accept.
And it isn't a literal scene. The timeframe of Buu's entire destruction is years.
And it isn't a literal scene. The timeframe of Buu's entire destruction is years.
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Yeah, which, as you showed above, is possible considering sometimes Buu had just walked on planets and took his time killing, and I showed that Buu can also be erratically fast in destroying planets.
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About the Buu destroying the galaxy thing, are we actually taking that feat as legitimate?
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We're debating it here @Prof
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It was only accepted because we assume a 3 year timeframe and the destruction on-screen as not literal. If you seriously want to argue that Toei Kid Buu is 3-C, then that is an extreme outlier as even Omega Shenron can't one-shot a galaxy, as I proved above.
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