Ok, their both 3-C now, they should be even since Kartana is very Far into 3-C while Goku is Galaxy+
Goku is 3-C only in Buu saga tho.
Man, My scaling sucks.
Kartana is an Ultra Beast, making it around 50% Zygarde level. Zygarde in 50% was able to hold its own against a weakened Ultra Necrozma. Nihilego was also shown to fight against Dawn Wings Necrozma to confirm these dudes being >>> Base Necrozma.
Ok, I thought Dawn Wings Stomped Nihilego so I thought Necrozma>Ultra Beasts.
It never did...
I just heard he did and Believing things from random sources makes ya look like a Dumbo.
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What answers it has to a kamehameha, which is strong enough to one shot opponents even stronger than Goku himself? Goku should outskill and defeat it easily.
It means it just upscales from his value like Kartana does, but that gap won't still be over x2.5. You're still ignoring that Kartana can make itself x4 stronger and overcoming that too.
No it doesn't work like that, scaling abive your value by one shotting means you can also one shot others at or below that value, Goku should totally clap in like 2 attacks with the anount he upscales abive his value.
No.
You're talking like a Pokémon would stand there against a Kamehameha, which is basically the same as tons of beam moves in Pokémon.
You didn't answer the LS gap.
Kartana has tons of moves which amp the speed like Aerial Ace which always blitzes the opponent, plus you didn't counter many things like Leaf Blade, Psycho Cut or Night Slash which deal critical hits, Air Slash which has a probability to make the opponent flinch or Fury Cutter which always increases the damage dealt the more is used.
Nah that's bullshit. Literally everyone that I've asked, regular users or staff alike have confirmed that it works the way I descrubed, I even made an entire Q/A and got the same answers.
Then these people are more than obviously just wrong. Mentioning one-shot page:
Not an argument. Speed is equalized here.
Proof?
It's still H2H tho.
Not really.
It works against Swift tho.
The one shot page is just saying that one shotting in verses does not mean you scale the one shotter to 7.5x the value in the profile as that is only for vs threads. It doesn't relate to the point here. You can still one shot via unquantifiable amps as long as you have the AP advantage. Or else a baseline dude will be just as strong as a dude who had a light year long scaling chain.
It actually is like that. In previous thread, if there's a scaling chain made of one shots, with the lowest character being baseline High 8-C, even with a series of 10 one shots, the highest character won't be High 8-C+. Goku just upscales.
Read above. Unless directly stated, one shotting wouldn't give even x1.5 multipler.
It attacks using its arms and legs as swords. They would be too heavy for Goku to counter.
It has various attacks which are undodgeable like Aerial Ace tho. You're also talking like Kartana would just stand there if Goku charges an attack.
Not to levels beyond Kartana's.
Bruh I'm telling you, that only applies in the profiles, in vs matches, if 2 people scale to the same value but one upscales massively then the one who upscales can one shot, if you don't believe me call some staff dude or something to clarify. You don't need a multiplier to one shot unquantifiable upscaling is enough.
Yeah those are cutting techniques Goku eon't block them, LS is a non factor, but Goku may not need to dodge as his durability scales his AP which is way way above whatever paper man scales to.
The Spider Gwen vs Optimus thread says otherwise.
It's how the move works duh.
Yeah we saw it against a lot of his opponents... Nice excuse
Bruh what
Lmao
1 Guy said in that thread otherwise, I have seen so many threads start and end and the main reason for someone winning or losing is that one guy upscales higher above their value.
Yeah they aren't gonna damage Goku much but Goku can't push on him so he's forced to evade and punch.
Many wrongs don't make a right. You only one shot if between the characters there's a x7.5 value. Goku hasn't such value above Kartana in objective numbers, he just upscales and that's it.
There's in Notable Attacks and Techniques.
It takes ages to take effect. Not on the same level of Sword Dance AND Fury Cutter combined which have actual numbers and not vague and pointless >.
You do realize these cut right? They're much heavier than how much can Goku lift, ofc they're gonna deal cutting damage.
Yes, many wrong don't create a right, but you're wrong and I'm right. It's pretty pointless to just go back and fourth so just call some mod to clarify.
...I literally used a mod message to support it lol. Impress IS a mod lol.
Sword Dance requires just few movements in anime and Fury Cutter can literally amp itself up to x4 its original damage. So Kartana's Fury Cutter can literally be x16 its original AP if it combines both it and Swords Dance.
So two swords are gonna deal the same damage despite having different weights... Right.
Read above. Show me this x7.5 gap or shut up.
Impress is wrong then. This was literally clarified in the all purpose request thread by a mod, I'll try to find it.
Ok a few movements can get interrupted by a kiai technique which is near instant or instant transmission.
Yes. AP and LS are separate here. Paper mans swords digging into Goku's abs won't pierce them if his durability is way higher even if paper man has much higher lifting strength.
Not how it works. You can crush someone with LS if they're in the same ballpark of AP as you.
Seems like both are incorrect, giving that Impress is one of the most knowledgeable members about SBA, while Armor isn't. Ergo Impress is much more reliable than Armor in this area.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/quest...-speed-blitzing-with-unknown-stat-gap.124001/
No staff member answered lol. If you have doubts just ask to Impress or who else is listed among the Knowledgeable Staff about SBA.
Alright whatever okay.
Because in these tiers joules are completely meaningless, making the scalings above baseline the only option. Meanwhile here we indeed have Joule values to base on.
Bullshit. There is no reason for that not to apply to tier 3 and below as well. You are essentially saying that a character who is baseline of a value and a character who is >>>>>>>>>>>the same value are exactly equal in AP which is asinine.
