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@Ghostimuscrime you drained yet?
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Yo, wait, we can just say shit? Ok. Now only AP matters, and any counterargument can ONLY be about AP.
you don't understand the basics of my arguments
if none of them had AP feats so they can't be credited for
superior AP
kakashi with his speed advantage can
off guard and bypass AP difference regardless due to off guard feats
so they cant (provably) be picked for greater physical stats
Since they tricked him after they got overpowered the only logical conclusion is that they offer tactical advantage that's not based on AP
The next panel is literally him with sweat on his face. I was under the impression I couldn't read, surely you saw the full page?
You see what your issue is, you are hyper fixating on one small detail and completely dismissing other contexts clues that make up the general narrative to suit the interpretation that you favor, do we see a little blob? yes, sure
However there is one issue, in the same page, he is able to react to Darui very well as well as block his hits with ease, there was no recoil, no staggering on Momoshiki's end, so we know its not fear of good AP as his AP failed to do bypass momo's durability so now what? he saw Kinshiki get packed up so he knows he has to be cautious around these people, they're tricky with their jutsu usage as well as they have sasuke who is an actual threat AP wise so they have plenty of reasons to be considered
you could argue in a 1v1 situation with him running with that little blob of sweat it could imply he had good ap, but not in a fight where they ganged up on him and were proven darui in particular lacks the power to do things
the "Feh!!" is lines with his views of disgust towards humans, he constantly calls them vulgar creatures (it's his literal catchphrase, it is an expression of disgust, it's not a grunt as that's not what grunting sounds are lettered like
Kinshiki was in the middle of a fight. She didn't jump him in the supermarket.
you can get caught off guard in the middle of a fight besides this argument falls apart when we have direct
written confirmations of being caught off guard in their dialogues, inference only gets you so far
Sakura would, in fact, prioritize saving the lives of innocent children and shit over going to a fight she believes is already being handled.
isnt she the head of the medical division and her potential death would put all the people currently injured at risk? (people like Hinata who fought the duo off screen) but even so its possible Sasuke didnt ask Sakura to come with for the same reason he didnt let Sarada and kakashi come with, that being that he wanted people to protect the village while they were away, in the event that their plan failed.
Actually, she would not value of the life of some unknown child over her teammate of decades, someone who is constantly risking themselves to defend konoha, when given a choice to save 2 babies or a man that will later on save and protect 30 babies, a person would choose the latter, especially the mayor of the village
As for what Shadow said, think of it like this, the stronger force when ganging up on the duo get beat up what makes you think a weaker force would be able to do much? Sakura is not the only medical ninja in Konoha and people are ready to sacrifice their lives for threats inferior to kaguya if it means they can maintain safety of the whole village (in this case whole world) so that's misinterpretation of where character priorities lie in
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They wanted to fight momoshiki and kinshiki. Not a fusion none of them have seen
idk dude. Maybe because it offers them mobility against opponents who
CAN FLY?
Kaguya wasn't his only opponent in the manga
Kenkei Genkais have NEVER been seen as basic in the verse nor any of the 7 Mist Swords
No evidence for this. Kakashi didn't show anything like that even when he had the sharingan. He spent the next decade developing the purple lightning. You do know that his "1000 jutsu" consists of jutsus like sticking a finger up the opponent's bum, right? If you're asserting that he has something in his arsenal, I better see some evidence.
He used Chidori. His apex ninjutsu. Not sure what you were going for there.
There's an
entire chapter of him fighting with lightning cloaked sasuke and nothing happened
You asked why they didn't do anything. I mentioned how he ran away. The quote in my original post was Momoshiki's POV about how formidable they are. In fact, he practically admitted how cooked he was against them
Oh yeah.
He did have a single sweat when he blocked it
??
Kakashi had a whole month to train sasuke. Not sure why you're asserting that my point about first gate usage means Kakashi would be incapacitated for the whole month and beyond
Too lady to requote each time so Ill just use numbers
1) OK? They did a poor job of it lol
2) Flight isn't as advantageous as you wish it was, it does not offer statistical advantage nor has lack of flight ever prevented characters from beating flying characters (taps sign of the isshiki vs bm fight)
I would rather choose someone who can blitz+paralyse+restrain(water prison)+clone bait+off guard+outsmart my enemies (and this is without accounting thousands of jutsus hes learned)
which gives me a massive advantage compared to Darui
3) other scenarios are similar to this, its either not advantageous or there were better alternatives
for example coperforming kamui with obito 2x'd his kamui speed against juubidara, the first gate wont help here as it amps bodily speeds instead of sharingan jutsu speeds, even if it did it leaves him more drained of energy and depowered in a fight where his longevity is crucial with utmost priority as he is an active participant. Guy used 8 Gates, why? cuz it boosts him enough to provide an advantage, with Kakashi's puny first gate? not so much
4) things special to a 12 year old genin down the street isnt special in a fight against kaguya level threats
5) not an issue if you think a man would spend years honing a thousand ninjutsu for them to be mediocre things as I have listed far better things in his confirmed arsenal than the unconfirmed ones!
6) how many times did the lightning hit kinshiki?
the one time Kinshiki got hit with the blade was when he did not amp it with lightning
why would you see a guy writhe in pain from being electrocuted and argue it's not doing anything? silly argument
7) isnt this the same retconned secondary canon that made Kinshiki scale above narusasu's avatars? yeah no
8)alright no issue, if 8 gates is considered for madara, they'd sacrifice way more for momo
Can you tell me what that line in
the blue circle is if it's not sweat? I'm talking about the line on the left side of the character's left eye. The author clearly means sweating.
Even if you claim that the "Feh" sound is a sign of discomfort, that would strengthen my argument. You shouldn't get uncomfortable with someone you can easily defeat.
Isn't he bothering to block Darui's attack? He's literally using a stick to block that sword slash. The fact that he even needed to use a stick to avoid that sword slash would scale Darui.
Besides, this wiki already uses the panel where he makes Momoshiki sweat. This is accepted in the wiki. It's just that it doesn't say sweat in the AP description right now.
for the sweat part, I addressed it here just a little above kindly read up ^^
Feh is annoyance/disgust not worry/discomfort/fear
a child tries to slap you, you wince, not because you're gonna bleed to death but because it's something you wanna avoid despise it not doing substantial harm
I disagree with using Kakashi's first gate for any scale. He never considered using it in battle, not even in situations where he was losing and a 5x difference in speed would help him a lot. During the Pain arc, Kakashi was close to seriously hitting Tendō, a 5x increase in speed would make him do it without a doubt. If it was something he considered using in battle, he could have won several battles where he was equal in speed with his opponent. And also, if we take into account the gate in every statement about someone being equal or stronger than Kakashi, So Naruto and Sakura from BoS would be 5x stronger and faster than base Kakashi? because in addition to him being forced to use the Sharingan, it was also said on the official website that Naruto and Sakura were comparable to him.
There are cases like Mitsuki's, where he doesn't use Sage Mode because it wears him out too much and can lead to his death, but this has not only been stated several times, but there is still a whole development to it. In Kakashi's case, it is never mentioned why he doesn't use it or consider using it.
nothing burger argument, his possession's validity isn't reliant on how often he uses it.
greater speeds loose meaning if your jutsus all get absorbed or hard countered, you're also able to gauge and determine if it's going to bring noteworthy benefits to your fights, your argument is only valid if two people have relative speeds and then one of them multiplies theirs by 5 they would gain an edge but if the character in question is
straight up
superior it just means such boosts are
deemed negligible.
That's not really an issue because there's another character who’s relative to Kakashi and who actually uses the gates in combat
Any "strongest shinobi" statement can easily apply to said character without us bending over backwards to scale 'em above a hypothetical first gate Kakashi
if Koji's Delta scaling can be shoved under the rug of him using Sage mode to scale to her (even tho he never again uses it in combat) the same can be applied here, him not using it in moments that dont benefit from it dont erase its existence, again nothing burger argument
