God's Right Seat Vs. Nazarick

[Yobo_Blue]

Pretty sure we can't list Fiamma as 5-B then, as it's not destructive force but just durability negation

 

[SchroKatze]

nah, even a nerfed Fiamma (who can barely use HR and its strike) can go against Othinus, who has 5-B on her own.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Saying that Holy Right bypasses all durability and insta-wins is a NLF. It's not biased or downplaying to say that. It's just having basic honesty and common sense.

 

[SchroKatze]

It bypasses physical 3-D durability tho, and thats what people are arguing. Otherwise, you should downgrade any hax that bypasses physical durability because it has no feats of negating 3-A durability. '-'


HR is just hax, man.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Hax =/= Bypasses all AP. You responded by proving my exact point.

Bypasses durability? Only as far as feats shown. Statements that it bypasses all durability are NLF.

This is how it works for every single verse.

 

[SchroKatze]

Then downgrade every single verse that has hax, including Overlord. It has 0 feats of bypassing 5-B dura with death manip

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

We don't need to downgrade other verses because it is literally how we treat every verse. If people act like durability bypassing goes beyond what feats shown than they are wrong. It's their fault, not the verse's.

And even if it was the case, two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I get the feeling that there's a disconnect here.

 

[Schnee_One]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1313296

That was debunked here

And Beast vs Fiamma

 

[SchroKatze]

>It is literally how we treat every verse

Thats literally how we don't treat every verse.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It is. Literally the only time where I see people use this type of argument is with the few people who go "Holy Right gg" on threads. Which is a wrong, debunked argument. It's asking to give To Aru special treatement by pretending it is fair treatment.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I get the feeling that there's a disconnect here.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

What disconnect.

 

[SchroKatze]

Cool, Overlord fans go "death gg" even against way higher tiers and they get a free pass.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I get the vague impression that the two of you are arguing about different things.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I'm not sure that's really it.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Cool, Overlord fans go "death gg" even against way higher tiers and they get a free pass.

Literally said that that's fault of the people arguing and not of the website. And two wrongs dont make a right.

 

[SchroKatze]

Yobo, Matt argues like that gainst To Aru due to hating an old supporter of the verse.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Wait

So is the argument here that durability negation doesn't negate higher dura?

 

[SchroKatze]

According to him, yep.

 

[Sir_Silent_orchestra]

Lmao when durability negation doesn't actually ignore durability

Gud Joke!

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yobo, Matt argues like that gainst To Aru due to hating an old supporter of the verse.

This is the second time on this thread alone that you try to dismiss my arguments by going "Blahblah, Matt hates ToAru / hates ToAru fans, doesn't count".

Please don't derail or resort to personal attacks.

According to him, yep.

Also don't strawman my arguments, thank you.

@Yobo

No, it definitely does. The argument is that it should only go as far as feats indicate. My problem lie with stuff like "Holy Right bypasses durabiltiy gg" being used to argue that it beats any 3D character.

Which people do try to push forward and it's ridiculous.

 

[SchroKatze]

Should I get a scan of you stating that, Matt?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I'm legitimately confused on how's arguing what TBH

 

[SchroKatze]

The point is: The durability negation page describes that it works without relying on AP (except when it goes into Higher-Dimensional NLF, which no one is arguing for HR even when there are statements that can support that.) and even you and other people argue according to that. The only moments when you try to bring the "Dura negation only goes as far as feats" is whenTo Aru or other verses you don't like are involved.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Lmao.

 

[Wokistan]

Let's not try to start shit and dredge up old drama for no reason.

Something like death manip doesn't really relate to AP in the case of ainz, as it doesn't work off of physical damage. HR, by the looks of it, has no specified method of durability negation besides "scales to opponent and kills them", so we limit it by it's destructive feats.

Although, we do allow Wolfgang Schreiber to retain his "speed scales to opponent's" power, so idk.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The point is: The durability negation page describes that it works without relying on AP (except when it goes into Higher-Dimensional NLF, which no one is arguing for HR even when there are statements that can support that.) and even you and other people argue according to that. The only moments when you try to bring the "Dura negation only goes as far as feats" is whenTo Aru or other verses you don't like are involved.

Nope. It's something that applies to literally every single verse and if the Durability Negation page says it works on everything except Higher-Dimensional things that's because the page is outdated.

The only people who do bring up NLF is people from ToAru and similar verses also liked by the same people.

 

[Sir_Silent_orchestra]

This thread is so funny!

When you need feats for durability negation ability to actually ignore durability! xD

 

[SchroKatze]

Wolfie has speed feats on his own, not just in Briah. He blitzed Briah Ren in base.


HR is just "The power to desroy the target", working even against spiritual beings. It can just target the malice in humaniy and destroy it without killing humans.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Durability_Negation

Wow. The page doesn't say what you said it does Schro.

HR is just "The power to desroy the target", working even against spiritual beings. It van just target the malice in humaniy and destroy it without killing humans.

This is the literal definition of a NLF when you extrapolate this to say it can kill any 3D being. I hope you realize.

This thread is so funny!

When you need feats for durability negation ability to actually ignore durability! xD

Of course we need feats. This is how it works with everything. No feats no dice.

 

[SchroKatze]

The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of its durability.

 

[SchroKatze]

You sure? The HD stuff needing more feats is a common sense in the wiki, Matt.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

It says nothing about the only limit being higher-dimensional manipulation. But I agree that is a serious NLF. Expect a thread to revise the page.

 

[Kaltias]

Durability negation indeed works independently from AP.

When it has known mechanics. Is the Holy Right spatial hax, soul hax, erasure, in short, what's the mechanic?

If you can't answer, it isn't legit past its best showings

 

[Wokistan]

It'd probably be easier to get accepted if it had like an actual specified method and not just "destroys target" with no further justification or explanation. I don't really have a stake in this either way, so I don't really feel strongly about this, but if you wanted to prove it finding a method would help you out.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

So does a durability negating attack from, say a 8-C negate dura on a tier 3?

 

[SchroKatze]

Okey, then Machina can't erase goku because Goku is 3-A.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Wow this went toxic fast

 

[Sir_Silent_orchestra]

Wow so teleporting ppl brain out of head bypasses dura but that's an nlf so you need to prove you can teleport superman first! xD