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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

Gasper said:
One more question. Does surtr destroy just nine realms or the whole yggdrasil?
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Kind of doesn't matter anymore. Surtr breaks off the branch of Yggdrasil that holds Asgard, and destroys both of them, with the pieces of Asgardthen falling over the place, over the other realms, it's how you find the real Tyr in Niflheim in the endgame. That's a blatant Tier 2 feat at the bare minimum since he took out a significant chunk of the World Tree, and you can't downscale tiers below it like that above High 3-A for even causing insignificant scratches, let alone tear out major chunks of it.
 
KLOL506 said:
Kind of doesn't matter anymore. Surtr breaks off the branch of Yggdrasil that holds Asgard, and destroys both of them, with the pieces of Asgardthen falling over the place, over the other realms, it's how you find the real Tyr in Niflheim in the endgame. That's a blatant Tier 2 feat at the bare minimum since he took out a significant chunk of the World Tree, and you can't downscale tiers below it like that above High 3-A for even causing insignificant scratches, let alone tear out major chunks of it.
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So, no 2-A surtr?
 
Gasper said:
So, no 2-A surtr?
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If the tree as a whole can support an infinite number of timelines, it's a 2-A structure all-round (All parts of it). You cannot downscale to Low 2-C or 2-C by then affecting a tiny portion of said tree. You'd still be 2-A, but you'd downscale massively from baseline. Then again, you do not need to destroy the entire structure to scale either, that's just one way of scaling, the other way is "Significantly affect".

"Significantly affect" is here used as an umbrella term for feats that don't involve direct creation or destruction but are comparable to them in power, such as warping and distorting the entirety of the structure in question, sustaining its existence with one's own, etc.

What Surtur did however, is far more severe than this. He took out an entire chunk of a tree, a major branch of it. Which blatantly falls under the "Significantly Affect" category no matter how you slice it. So he'd be 2-A.

The only issue now is determining the true tier of the Tree. As there have been contentions to it being Tier 1. Hopefully we can get more deets out of Ragnarok to settle the matter once and for all.
 
KLOL506 said:
If the tree as a whole can support an infinite number of timelines, it's a 2-A structure all-round (All parts of it). You cannot downscale to Low 2-C or 2-C by then affecting a tiny portion of said tree. You'd still be 2-A, but you'd downscale massively from baseline. Then again, you do not need to destroy the entire structure to scale either, that's just one way of scaling, the other way is "Significantly affect".
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Yeah, he wouldn't really downscale from baseline since this is pretty blatantly significantly affecting it (and one could get Tier 2 just by noticeably shaking such structures via sheer power let alone what Sutr did). And he'd scale above it in his true state anyway, considering he was an incomplete Ragnarok when it happened.

Would anyone but Sutr scale though?
 
Planck69 said:
Yeah, he wouldn't really downscale from baseline since this is pretty blatantly significantly affecting it (and one could get Tier 2 just by noticeably shaking such structures via sheer power let alone what Sutr did). And he'd scale above it in his true state anyway, considering he was an incomplete Ragnarok when it happened.

Would anyone but Sutr scale though?
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Thor and jormungandr should also scale via them splitting the world tree in half
 
Planck69 said:
Yeah, he wouldn't really downscale from baseline since this is pretty blatantly significantly affecting it (and one could get Tier 2 just by noticeably shaking such structures via sheer power let alone what Sutr did). And he'd scale above it in his true state anyway, considering he was an incomplete Ragnarok when it happened.

Would anyone but Sutr scale though?
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I mean, Thor was going 2v1 against Jormi and Surtr quite easily until he saw Kratos with Thrud so...

That and Thor vs Surtr is supposed to be the final centerpiece of Ragnarok. You don't have Ragnarok without the two having a death match with each other.
 
Gasper said:
Thor and jormungandr should also scale via them splitting the world tree in half
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Actually, the AP feat is all Thor, while the dura feat is all Jormi, Thor is the one who rammed Jormi hard enough to splinter the tree, and Jormi survived it (Well, young Jormi anyway). 2018 Jormi is still around BTW.
 
Aether_ said:
So currently the strongest in norse was surtr and fenrir?
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I'm willing to bet it's Odin and Thor first, Surtr, Jormi and Fenrir second. Given that he's the closest one who has a chance to cross-scale to Greek guys like Zeus for making Kratos say that his blows were as heavy as any he ever felt.

Zeus is still currently the top dog of the entire verse save for PoH Kratos.
 
KLOL506 said:
Actually, the AP feat is all Thor, while the dura feat is all Jormi, Thor is the one who rammed Jormi hard enough to splinter the tree, and Jormi survived it (Well, young Jormi anyway). 2018 Jormi is still around BTW.
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So you can say weaker surtr and jormungandr are already tier 2?
 
KLOL506 said:
I'm willing to bet it's Odin and Thor first, Surtr, Jormi and Fenrir second. Given that he's the closest one who has a chance to cross-scale to Greek guys like Zeus for making Kratos say that his blows were as heavy as any he ever felt.

Zeus is still currently the top dog of the entire verse save for PoH Kratos.
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Honestly, with Kratos managing to outright defeat Thor while holding back enough not to kill him, I'm starting to wonder if anyone is ever going to match GoW III Kratos and Zeus. Those two seem to be nearly unmatched as far as scaling goes. Maybe Odin? Since he killed Thor and needed Kratos, Freya and Atreus to be beaten but even that seems iffy.
 
Planck69 said:
Honestly, with Kratos managing to outright defeat Thor while holding back enough not to kill him, I'm starting to wonder if anyone is ever going to match GoW III Kratos and Zeus. Those two seem to be nearly unmatched as far as scaling goes. Maybe Odin? Since he killed Thor and needed Kratos, Freya and Atreus to be beaten but even that seems iffy.
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Would that make nidhogg on the same level as surtr?
 
Planck69 said:
Honestly, with Kratos managing to outright defeat Thor while holding back enough not to kill him, I'm starting to wonder if anyone is ever going to match GoW III Kratos and Zeus. Those two seem to be nearly unmatched as far as scaling goes. Maybe Odin? Since he killed Thor and needed Kratos, Freya and Atreus to be beaten but even that seems iffy.
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Fear Zeus and PoH Kratos will likely remain unrivaled and I don't see them getting dethroned any time soon.
 
So i seen 50 min of footage on ragnarok of a silent playthrough and came to some conclusions, first one is that kratos is being (overall the theme of the game being moving on hard times) heavily forshadowing kratos demise as mimir comments on the muriel of the giants that rightfully predicting the 2018 game and the faye dream sequence it self, thor looks like a broken man just realizing wtf he has been doing and regrets it, believing he is probably too far gone and odin is a bastard like royal pain in the ass
 
Will there be profiles for the norns, garmr, freya and nidhogg in the future?Also, do norns have any feats in the game?
 
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