God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

[Lilixa]

imagine yggdrasil like Voxel model. That thing legit has volume. While topology does not have volume. It's like thin paper got deformed into ball or something

 

[Lilixa]

so according to dontalkdt and ultima yggdrassil is 5-D object with no volume = deformed (strech, bend, curl, etc) 4-D object

 

[Lilixa]

or yggdrassil is 4-D object with finite volume (due to it's shaped like tree) therefore Low 2-C to 2-B

 

[Lilixa]

so yeah i blame yggdrassil shaped like "tree" because it's already indicate that it has some kind of volume constraint

 

[Lilixa]

5-D with finite or infinite volume definitely low 1-C.

So yeah the only thing that mess is tier 2 stuff lol

 

[Georredannea15]

or yggdrassil is 4-D object with finite volume (due to it's shaped like tree) therefore Low 2-C to 2-B

Many characters managed to stay in 2-A because they had infinite space, having multiple Low 2-Cs in the universal size,

The biggest example of this is Tensura, whose parallel universes are not infinite, but only 4-D universal space-time continua inside the space infinite

And if DT with Ultima claims that they should still be infinite, they should be downgraded.

Also, given the current state of Yggdrasil, many Low 1-C verses should be downgraded, if not Low 1-C as DT says. Because Yggdrasil, in its current state, has more statements and qualities than most Low 1-C verses.

I also strongly disagree with the interpretation that the context of "transcending space and time" still means that Yggdrasil is "omnipresent", because Freya separates the two statements and after saying that Yggdrasil covers all of exists and realms, she says "no, The Yggdrasil is much, much more than that" and after says that it's every strands completely transcends space and time.

 

[KLOL506]

They contain their own realities, but those realities are not universal in scope.

Uranus. Created. The Universe. FULL STOP. GYGES REPEATS THIS SHIT THRICE IN A ROW IN THE COMICS. WoG confirms this multiple times in a row that the Primordials created the Universe. Verbatim.

The core of the thread linked is explaining why GoW devs have disqualified themselves from having WoG privileges.

Yeah nah, already went through that shit. WoG works when it supports the source material. Y'all only accept it when it doesn't support what's shown or implied in the source material itself.

Traveling between pantheons is not hard. Normal humans can literally just get in a boat.

Why are we fixating on the boat shit when Norse stuff kills it dead?

The rest of the primary source material doesn't support what we see in that single Ascensions clip.

We have nothing to back-up anybody being able to pimp slap actual stars of someone. Even in that clip, the death of whole Primordials just create mountains and seas. None of the corpses burst into solar systems.

LMAO what cope is this.

Comic hammers that shit in hard. There is no argument to be had here. AT ALL.

We also never see anything in-game that can confirm the stars in the night sky are iRL stars. Normally the closest star is the sun, but the sun has its own origin in GoW. So...

Ah yes, stars aren't stars, just illusions, 7-B stars. What other crazy stuff do we have to hear today?

That infinite sky line is from a single book, and has no supporting evidence.

It's literally the only show of size for the cosmos. And it isn't contradicted by anything else.

Its also probably hyperbolic. Poetic types describe the actual sky as infinite simply because humans can't see all of it at once.

There's no hyperbole to be had here because it's the only size description of the Mortal World.

The case for the Lost Desert is even worse because in the novel where it's stated to have endless wrong paths, that place is actually a separate dimension unlike in the game where it's a part of the Mortal World.

1. It very clearly just isn't infinite if you've played any of the games or looked at the official material.

Based on?

2. Every example is clearly just flowery language. Hence why none of the examples use the word infinite. They use the terms boundless, unending, and limitless

Nope, already debunked by WGA. Concept artist hammers it. Bonus Disc hammers it. Prima Guide repeats it verbatim. Your argument is automatically moot.

Can't be that disconnected. Ikarus fell into it.

It's not an ordinary crack LMAO. Already stated by Weissbaum.

Also are we literally forgetting about the Domain of Death?

Literally not what the video shows. It's weird patterns on the underside of the Greek world. It's not a sky.

Again, that crack isn't an ordinary crack. Kratos literally couldn't bail without Zeus portalling him out.

Also, Domain of Death.

Worst part about the "not the sky argument" is that the Mortal World's plain doesn't cover the entire surface, there's a sky beyond that horizon. There are clouds beyond those wonky patterns, and in GoW1 the skybox is retained without the wonky patterns, the same game that calls it immeasurable.

Another thing only supported by WoG.

And it contradicts nothing in the source material, period.

This is actually one of they key examples I used to disqualify the game devs right to WoG.

This contradicts everything we see in game. And it clearly isn't really a statement of canon. The dude who answers the question just takes some comments made in-game and draws his own conclusion based on that. He's not sharing authorial intent.

This is where I call complete BS because the novel 100% supports this.

This dude, Matt Sophos, is the writer of the story of 2018. He has as much say as the director himself (Whose dad wrote the book BTW).

Yggdrasil isn't infinite.

You can literally walk across its trunk, and it has creatures dedicated to trimming its branches and roots.

The main branches stretch out to infinity, the portion they walk on isn't even the actual main branch.

The Stags clear out the tiny overgrowth branches on the main branch. I already responded to this dumbass argument quite a while back.

Its branches may grow forever, but they aren't infinitely long.

Literally not what it says in the novel.

 

[KLOL506]

tl;dr / The Point:

1) GoW is not universe level. At all.
2) GoWs WoG is tainted by a lack of standards and uninvested creators. It should have little to no weight on the verse going foward.


-----------Word of God Credibility-----------------------

God of War's lore has never been particularly coherent. This isn't shocking, the first game was not made with the intent of it becoming a series. The creators thought it would flop.

Over the years, as creators became more active on social media, VS nerds tried to remedy this by reaching out for clarification.

@BenTennyson did a massive info dump a few years back, just before GoW4 released. He, and a few other posters at the time, were sure that WoG had confirmed Kratos as universe level and lightspeed.

More recently, active debaters have been referencing tweets and Facebook posts about the nature of Yggdrasil, the Nine Realms, and the stars found in the Realm Between Realms [1][2]. Again asserting clear evidence of true cosmic-level godhood for Kratos and co.

The problem is that these inquiries into canon seem to be aimed at literally anybody who brought the dev team coffee. Most do tend to work in a department that at least makes sense for the question ie; "how big is x map?" being asked of an environment artist. But regardless of what your title should imply, individual artists do not dictate canon.

Beyond asking the right person, we also have to take into account the possibility that even those people aren't bothering to track the canon of the material on a level that is suitable to this hobby.

Recent comments by actual top creatives about the nature of the 9 Realms have been in direct contradiction to what we see in the games. And it is clear that their comments aren't genuine answers they had to give about the world they created. They were just interpreting the same information we have to work with.

The comment was along the lines of: "character X said , therefore I guess the answer to your question is _". This is literally the point of Death of the Author. Their opinion on what certain in-game comments mean for the lore has no more weight than ours.

It doesn't help that character's comment they cited -- a line from the 2018 game, is directly contradicted in Ragnarok.

Realm Shift negs everything in this line.

Also, we use WoG as long as it does not contradict the source material. WE EXPLICITLY MADE IT CLEAR WHEN WE DID THE UPGRADE CRT IN 2018 (Well before I ever joined the foray, at that time I had no idea GoW would be this expansive) THAT WE USE IT ONLY TO CLARIFY SHIT THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN THE SECONDARY CANON (Novels, Artbooks, Guidebooks, Manuals) AND PRIMARY CANON (GAMES, COMICS).

---------------Power Level--------------------

As for the actual claims being supported by this dubious WoG, the one I take the most issues with is universe level Primordials and, by extension, universe level Kratos (and everyone else who matters). The sole piece of evidence for this is Ouranos getting celestial bodies punched off his face.

This punch was "confirmed" by "WoG" in Ben's info dump to be the creation of the Greek universe. A universe that somehow also ends a few hundred miles from Athens, when you reach Egypt. I guess this is one of those "only infinite in one or two dimensions" type of infinities, despite the Greek infinite cosmos being a sphere. :catmaybe

The key redflags are:
1. Without scaling, not even the God Tiers of the verse come anywhere near this power level. As such, everyone struggles against and falls to much lesser powers.

This is simply put, 100% false.

1. Ares dimension with a galaxy in it

2. Hyperion forging a spear strong enough to hold the cosmos in the Sun's core.

3. Helios lighting up the infinite underworld

4. Cronos' birth creating Time itself

5. Cronos vs Uranus being a cosmic level fight, confirmed by multiple instances of WoG.

6. Nyx attempting to merge her Dimension of Eternal Night with the Mortal World (And Helios stepping in and beating the ever-loving shit out of her for this tresspassing)

7. Morpheus merging his Realm of Dreams with the Mortal World and affecting solely the Mortal World solely because Helios was missing

8. World Pillar's destruction threatening to erase all of Greek Creation and reverting it to the Primordial Void Goddess Chaos.

2. The creation of the universe, especially the stars, should include the sun. And we know Greece's sun to be smaller than the Greek landmass. This makes it untold orders of magnitude smaller than any real star. And removes any in-game credibility the other celestial bodies had.

Ares dimension feat hard negs this. It 100% confirms galaxies to exist. Ariel Lawrence says as much (The Primordial War spawned galaxies).

3. None of the other Primordials, not even the one that punched Ouranos, generate these kinds of phenomena. When they take damage, or even fall dead, their bodies turn to mountains or oceans. None of them generate cosmic aftershocks.

Argument from incredulity fallacy much?

Ariel Lawrence also says otherwise here.

The Yggdrasil claims are also just as dubious. The idea that any of its dimensions are infinite seems absurd to me when
A) creatures exist specifically to trim its roots

The tiny overgrowths on the main branches, gardening style.

In any case, it ultimately matters very little, what with Realm Shift confirming the Realms to be separate space-time continuums.

B) you can walk across the width of its trunk to go from Muspelheim to Niflheim.

Uhhhhh.... no.

The walking sequence is literally a loading screen and not even on the main branch, ignoring the fact that there are Mystic Gateways involved in this whole mess.

YOU PHYSICALLY CANNOT TRAVEL DIRECTLY FROM REALM TO REALM JUST BY WALKING. YOU NEED A BIFROST TO PULL DIMENSIONAL TRAVEL OFF. Freya says this. Gjallarhorn wank scan says this (Portal BS), hell, even Brok had to use the last remaining Bifrost energy in Kratos' Bifrost lamp to modify the Mystic Gateway to travel from Realm to Realm, you literally cannot even reach other realms even if you are physically on the tree itself. You need a Mystic Gateway. FULL STOP.

I also don't see any reason to think you are hopping universes when you go between realms. It is specifically stated that the primordial realms existed in the infinite void before Odin slew Ymir and created the other 7 realms.

That void being Ginnungagap, which is directly inside Yggdrasil's trunk as per the GoW Ragnarok map on the website. The RBR is not the same thing as Ginnungagap.

Ymir's corpse did not end up in 7 different universes. It is in the same place as the two primordial realms, hence why they are all in the same tree.

Ymir's corpse blatantly ended up being carved up into 6 different universes (Jotunheim was made as a side-effect of the flood). Hell, the murals explicitly state that Ymir's skull became the Midgardian sky.

The single piece of WoG I have seen cited for this is the one I mentioned earlier; creators quote Freya claiming that the realms all exist in the same space. Something that is directly contradicted by you being able stand in the space between the primordial realms.

Same space being the branches of Yggdrasil, which literally can't be entered without a Mystic Gateway to the Realm Between the Realms.

Thoughts?

Incredibly poorly-made "debunk" that is in turn ironically debunked by basic shit in the game itself.

 

[Planck69]

Always impressed by KLOL's dedication to bothering to debunk nonsense. I'd have just posted the Uranus/Ceto gif and told them to touch Gaia's peach fuzz.

 

[KLOL506]

People fixating on the boat thing literally forget these things:

1. HOW THE **** DID KRATOS BYPASS THE RBR'S ERASING VOID? (Trick question: He didn't. He was kidnapped by Skoll and Hati and a cloaked figure. Nobody ever mentions this ever again and nobody bothers contradicting it in lore either. The Giants have a terrible habit of recording the in-between shit, so the Mural in Ragnarok showing Kratos on a boat ignores a lot more backstory on that front).

2. HOW COME ODIN CAN'T BAIL THE **** OUT USING HIS RAVENS TO HOP TO ANOTHER PANTHEON? Why need a Unity Stone?

3. How come the Sisters of Fate haven't affected other Pantheons with their threads?

4. How come the Greek Gods breathing and creating continents didn't inundate the other realms?

5. How come Skoll and Hati chasing the Sun and Moon don't inundate the other realms?

6. How come Vanir Time fuckery doesn't inundate the other Realms?

7. Realm Shift. Explain that.

8. ERROR 404- REALM TREE NOT FOUND IN GREECE

9. Lastly, HOW THE **** ARE ALL THE CREATION MYTHS OF ALL THE PANTHEONS EQUALLY CONSIDERED VALID AND HAVING HAPPENED SEPARATELY FROM EACH OTHER?

 

[KLOL506]

Always impressed by KLOL's dedication to bothering to debunk nonsense. I'd have just posted the Uranus/Ceto gif and told them to touch Gaia's peach fuzz.

I always like to leave the best for last.

In short, COPE, SEETHE, MALD, DILATE AND CRY ABOUT IT. ALSO TOUCH GAIA'S PEACH FUZZ.

 

[KLOL506]

As such, everyone struggles against and falls to much lesser powers.

This point pisses me off to no end.

This entire reddit thread exists to spite that notion.

LIterally all these showings of "falls to much lesser powers" is just blatant ignorance of context, game mechanics that do not match author's intent, are there for suspense and drama to maintain game balance so that it doesn't get over too fast, it gets trumped over by even more egregious wank in the source material, or it involves a massively depowered Kratos who is nowhere near his prime, or it involves Kratos massively holding back so that he doesn't wreck shit around him. Or worse, the threats that do endanger them are made of equally-strong materials magically enhanced to deter any would-be tresspassers.

HELL, Cory himself legit makes fun of people like these.

2. The creation of the universe, especially the stars, should include the sun. And we know Greece's sun to be smaller than the Greek landmass. This makes it untold orders of magnitude smaller than any real star. And removes any in-game credibility the other celestial bodies had.

One last thing: There is no citation to this claim of the Sun being that small anywhere in either the primary canon or the secondary canon. If anything, they all point to the contrary. Hell, Mount Olympus alone is almost 14,000 km tall by virtue of free-falling from it for 3 days straight at terminal velocity of 120 mph (Wider than the Earth's diameter). Gods fall faster than that and literally come crashing down via re-entry.

If anything, the Mortal World could be hilariously oversized compared to the IRL diameter of the sun itself, but without further deets, we are left with nothing.

 

[CrisisCrysis]

tl;dr / The Point:

1) GoW is not universe level. At all.
2) GoWs WoG is tainted by a lack of standards and uninvested creators. It should have little to no weight on the verse going foward.


-----------Word of God Credibility-----------------------

God of War's lore has never been particularly coherent. This isn't shocking, the first game was not made with the intent of it becoming a series. The creators thought it would flop.

Over the years, as creators became more active on social media, VS nerds tried to remedy this by reaching out for clarification.

@BenTennyson did a massive info dump a few years back, just before GoW4 released. He, and a few other posters at the time, were sure that WoG had confirmed Kratos as universe level and lightspeed.

More recently, active debaters have been referencing tweets and Facebook posts about the nature of Yggdrasil, the Nine Realms, and the stars found in the Realm Between Realms [1][2]. Again asserting clear evidence of true cosmic-level godhood for Kratos and co.

The problem is that these inquiries into canon seem to be aimed at literally anybody who brought the dev team coffee. Most do tend to work in a department that at least makes sense for the question ie; "how big is x map?" being asked of an environment artist. But regardless of what your title should imply, individual artists do not dictate canon.

Beyond asking the right person, we also have to take into account the possibility that even those people aren't bothering to track the canon of the material on a level that is suitable to this hobby.

Recent comments by actual top creatives about the nature of the 9 Realms have been in direct contradiction to what we see in the games. And it is clear that their comments aren't genuine answers they had to give about the world they created. They were just interpreting the same information we have to work with.

The comment was along the lines of: "character X said , therefore I guess the answer to your question is _". This is literally the point of Death of the Author. Their opinion on what certain in-game comments mean for the lore has no more weight than ours.

It doesn't help that character's comment they cited -- a line from the 2018 game, is directly contradicted in Ragnarok.

---------------Power Level--------------------

As for the actual claims being supported by this dubious WoG, the one I take the most issues with is universe level Primordials and, by extension, universe level Kratos (and everyone else who matters). The sole piece of evidence for this is Ouranos getting celestial bodies punched off his face.

This punch was "confirmed" by "WoG" in Ben's info dump to be the creation of the Greek universe. A universe that somehow also ends a few hundred miles from Athens, when you reach Egypt. I guess this is one of those "only infinite in one or two dimensions" type of infinities, despite the Greek infinite cosmos being a sphere. :catmaybe

The key redflags are:
1. Without scaling, not even the God Tiers of the verse come anywhere near this power level. As such, everyone struggles against and falls to much lesser powers.
2. The creation of the universe, especially the stars, should include the sun. And we know Greece's sun to be smaller than the Greek landmass. This makes it untold orders of magnitude smaller than any real star. And removes any in-game credibility the other celestial bodies had.
3. None of the other Primordials, not even the one that punched Ouranos, generate these kinds of phenomena. When they take damage, or even fall dead, their bodies turn to mountains or oceans. None of them generate cosmic aftershocks.

The Yggdrasil claims are also just as dubious. The idea that any of its dimensions are infinite seems absurd to me when
A) creatures exist specifically to trim its roots
B) you can walk across the width of its trunk to go from Muspelheim to Niflheim.

I also don't see any reason to think you are hopping universes when you go between realms. It is specifically stated that the primordial realms existed in the infinite void before Odin slew Ymir and created the other 7 realms. Ymir's corpse did not end up in 7 different universes. It is in the same place as the two primordial realms, hence why they are all in the same tree.

The single piece of WoG I have seen cited for this is the one I mentioned earlier; creators quote Freya claiming that the realms all exist in the same space. Something that is directly contradicted by you being able stand in the space between the primordial realms.

Thoughts?

Embarrassing. It's hilariously hypocritical of you guys to disregard WoG if their inputs don't fall in-line with your assessments in one post (even though GoW WoGs most of the times don't add anything new to the lore, but just provide clarifications which are ONLY used here if they follow the lore), while at the same time in the others overly-rely on a specific WoG (ie Bruno Velazquez) answering literal LEADING battle-boarding questions in order to back up your laughable downplay.

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[KLOL506]

Embarrassing. It's hilariously hypocritical of you guys to disregard WoG if their inputs don't fall in-line with your assessments in one post (even though GoW WoGs most of the times don't add anything new to the lore, but just provide clarifications), while at the same time overly-rely on a specific WoG (ie Bruno Velazquez) in order to back up your laughable downplay in the others.

âTHE GOW DEVS NEVER INTENDED THE CHARACTERS TO BE COSMIC THREATS ðâ

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The ironic thing about those Bruno WoG tweets is that a lot of them are just bullshit battleboarding questions and leading questions that have ****-all to do with the source material, as for the Ygg thing, it's contradicted already so there's no point in glossing over that shit.

 

[KLOL506]

People really asking Bruno if Kratos is beyond all dimensionality or if he's an abstract object while ignoring literally everything in Ghost of Sparta and GoW3.
Peak LOL hours.

 

[Georredannea15]

People really asking Bruno if Kratos is beyond all dimensionality or if he's an abstract object while ignoring literally everything in Ghost of Sparta and GoW3.
Peak LOL hours.

While the question "Is he an abstract object?" makes sense, at least for Hope,But he still has a body the other question is not even mentioned anywhere in the main game.

 

[KLOL506]

While the question "Is he an abstract object?" makes sense, at least for Hope,But he still has a body the other question is not even mentioned anywhere in the main game.

Like bruh, he's Type 2 AE for a reason. He embodies abstract objects, he isn't the abstract object itself, like Fear Zeus is.

And that's not even ignoring the fact that they don't grant much for tiering, like, at all.

When people accuse Bruno of being unreliable, one only need take a long and hard look at the actual questions themselves and if they are coming from sound minds and if they have in-depth knowledge of the lore beforehand, else you end with shit like this and people spamming "Death of the Author" everywhere.

WoG has its time and its place. It's no secret that we're long past their usage since most of it is within the source material, save for some few minor aspects (But since people keep shouting "THOSE STARS AREN'T REAL STARS", here they be, normally we'd shut down any attempt to use such dogshite arguments). But questions as clueless as this? It gets you nowhere. At all. And yes, I am talkng specifically about Twitter WoG, not Official Interviews/Bonus Discs Making of WoG, since those are directly part of the game's final contents and thus constitute as primary canon.

 

[KLOL506]

so RBR is 5D, right ? then PoH kratos should have 6D

Yes, that's pretty much the chain of events.

 

[CrisisCrysis]

People really asking Bruno if Kratos is beyond all dimensionality or if he's an abstract object while ignoring literally everything in Ghost of Sparta and GoW3.
Peak LOL hours.

Yeah, I remember that. The Spectuals guy was actually disappointed when Bruno replied negatively, lmao.

 

[Fixxed]

tl;dr / The Point:

1) GoW is not universe level. At all.
2) GoWs WoG is tainted by a lack of standards and uninvested creators. It should have little to no weight on the verse going foward.


-----------Word of God Credibility-----------------------

God of War's lore has never been particularly coherent. This isn't shocking, the first game was not made with the intent of it becoming a series. The creators thought it would flop.

Over the years, as creators became more active on social media, VS nerds tried to remedy this by reaching out for clarification.

@BenTennyson did a massive info dump a few years back, just before GoW4 released. He, and a few other posters at the time, were sure that WoG had confirmed Kratos as universe level and lightspeed.

More recently, active debaters have been referencing tweets and Facebook posts about the nature of Yggdrasil, the Nine Realms, and the stars found in the Realm Between Realms [1][2]. Again asserting clear evidence of true cosmic-level godhood for Kratos and co.

The problem is that these inquiries into canon seem to be aimed at literally anybody who brought the dev team coffee. Most do tend to work in a department that at least makes sense for the question ie; "how big is x map?" being asked of an environment artist. But regardless of what your title should imply, individual artists do not dictate canon.

Beyond asking the right person, we also have to take into account the possibility that even those people aren't bothering to track the canon of the material on a level that is suitable to this hobby.

Recent comments by actual top creatives about the nature of the 9 Realms have been in direct contradiction to what we see in the games. And it is clear that their comments aren't genuine answers they had to give about the world they created. They were just interpreting the same information we have to work with.

The comment was along the lines of: "character X said , therefore I guess the answer to your question is _". This is literally the point of Death of the Author. Their opinion on what certain in-game comments mean for the lore has no more weight than ours.

It doesn't help that character's comment they cited -- a line from the 2018 game, is directly contradicted in Ragnarok.

---------------Power Level--------------------

As for the actual claims being supported by this dubious WoG, the one I take the most issues with is universe level Primordials and, by extension, universe level Kratos (and everyone else who matters). The sole piece of evidence for this is Ouranos getting celestial bodies punched off his face.

This punch was "confirmed" by "WoG" in Ben's info dump to be the creation of the Greek universe. A universe that somehow also ends a few hundred miles from Athens, when you reach Egypt. I guess this is one of those "only infinite in one or two dimensions" type of infinities, despite the Greek infinite cosmos being a sphere. :catmaybe

The key redflags are:
1. Without scaling, not even the God Tiers of the verse come anywhere near this power level. As such, everyone struggles against and falls to much lesser powers.
2. The creation of the universe, especially the stars, should include the sun. And we know Greece's sun to be smaller than the Greek landmass. This makes it untold orders of magnitude smaller than any real star. And removes any in-game credibility the other celestial bodies had.
3. None of the other Primordials, not even the one that punched Ouranos, generate these kinds of phenomena. When they take damage, or even fall dead, their bodies turn to mountains or oceans. None of them generate cosmic aftershocks.

The Yggdrasil claims are also just as dubious. The idea that any of its dimensions are infinite seems absurd to me when
A) creatures exist specifically to trim its roots
B) you can walk across the width of its trunk to go from Muspelheim to Niflheim.

I also don't see any reason to think you are hopping universes when you go between realms. It is specifically stated that the primordial realms existed in the infinite void before Odin slew Ymir and created the other 7 realms. Ymir's corpse did not end up in 7 different universes. It is in the same place as the two primordial realms, hence why they are all in the same tree.

The single piece of WoG I have seen cited for this is the one I mentioned earlier; creators quote Freya claiming that the realms all exist in the same space. Something that is directly contradicted by you being able stand in the space between the primordial realms.

Thoughts?

I agree kratos just wall level, he even struggle with just open the door

 

[KLOL506]

I agree kratos just wall level, he even struggle with just open the door

Bro can't even open chest or cut tree SMH

 

[Georredannea15]

Bro can't even open chest or cut tree SMH

Bro taking damage from a rock.

 

[KLOL506]

You know what. Screw it. Every time someone posts dumb shit like this I'm just gonna post the Uranus gif and move the **** on.

 

[Eseseso]

Yes, that's pretty much the chain of events.

Wait, y'all agreed on 5D RBR?

 

[Eseseso]

Also, how does Athena/PoH Kratos transcend above 5D RBR?

 

[KLOL506]

Wait, y'all agreed on 5D RBR?

That seems to be the status quo at the moment, yes, but of course, things are never simple, so we wait for DT and Ultima, however busy they might be with Marvel.

Also, how does Athena/PoH Kratos transcend above 5D RBR?

Simple. RBR is on the same plane of existence as all other pantheons. The same plane of existence that she transcends altogether.

 

[Planck69]

Also, how does Athena/PoH Kratos transcend above 5D RBR?

The transcend the plane of existence of the Greater Earth and its pantheons. So, they're +1 its dimensionality. RBR being 5-D means that they'd be 6-D since its part of the world and its pantheons.

 

[KLOL506]

Range however, means ****-all now. Interdimensional jargon bullshit and what-have-you. Range thing is a site-wide revision tho.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

You know what. Screw it. Every time someone posts dumb shit like this I'm just gonna post the Uranus gif and move the **** on.

I'm more surprised that we don't make a new rule to ban this kind of topic about Universal GoW debunk tbh
Also johnCenaNation is one of the worst users here (mfs got banned for so many years) so better be careful

 

[KLOL506]

I know the dude's history, and I can see the rules being incredibly tiresome, but so long as CRTs are not being spammed about the topic, I don't think we can just up and make a new discussion rule regardless.

 

[ByAsura]

Upon review, I think arguing about the Ascension cutscene is kind of funny at this point.

The Primordials (barring Morpheus) scale to the Olympians/Titans now, not the other way round.

 

[Georredannea15]

Range however, means ****-all now. Interdimensional jargon bullshit and what-have-you. Range thing is a site-wide revision tho.

I've quoted DT and Agnaa's comments on this, and according to them, a 9-D being, without any range feat or Large size, does not scale directly to 9-D Ap and Dura in the human size, but gains range by default. At least that's what the two of them think and practice.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Thrud vs Magni

 

[Georredannea15]

Thrud vs Magni

Bro does his routine work. I love this man

 

[Dust_Collector]

Just curious but ignoring the infinite speed stuff how fast would GOW characters be? I know they'd be massively ftl+ to some degree but how far into it would they be?

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

Just curious but ignoring the infinite speed stuff how fast would GOW characters be? I know they'd be massively ftl+ to some degree but how far into it would they be?

I think they were Calced at Trillions FTL a few years ago with the Sisters managing threads of fate

 

[BEASTHEART8800]

AND BLAST HIS ASS KLOL

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Hey wait

Is this an inconsistency?

If end of GOW 2 Kratos could beat Zeus in a 1 v 1 and was even about to kill him...

Then why did beginning to middle of GOW 3 Kratos struggle with Poseidon and Hades like he did

When it was shown in the GOW 2 Novel that Zeus scared the other Brother Kings into submission and threatened to casually one shot them both?

Did they get stronger or is this just a massive inconsistency?

 

[KLOL506]

Just curious but ignoring the infinite speed stuff how fast would GOW characters be? I know they'd be massively ftl+ to some degree but how far into it would they be?

If universe expansion/travel feats in seconds are anything to go by, quadrillions of times FTL. Whis, Green Lantern, they all have it.

 

[KLOL506]

Hey wait

Is this an inconsistency?

If end of GOW 2 Kratos could beat Zeus in a 1 v 1 and was even about to kill him...

Then why did beginning to middle of GOW 3 Kratos struggle with Poseidon and Hades like he did

1. GoW2 Kratos at best could only stalemate the dude, Zeus then flared up, grew in power and proceeded to completely overpower Kratos, forcing him to play possum to kill Zeus.

2. By GoW3 however, due to how many times Kratos ganked Zeus with the Blade of Olympus, Zeus swelled up massively in power yet again and then proceeded to one-shot Kratos with his bolts to the point where he could not even hold on to the Blade of Olympus lodged into Gaia, the same dude who as a Demigod could vertically climb up Pandora's Mountain for 3 days straight with no food or water with ease and then proceed to clear the entire Temple of its threats. Zeus becomes even stronger during the course of the Final Boss Fight as stated by the GoW3 Brady Guide.

When it was shown in the GOW 2 Novel that Zeus scared the other Brother Kings into submission and threatened to casually one shot them both?

GoW2 Novel Chapter 34.

Did they get stronger or is this just a massive inconsistency?

Literally just answered your question mate. They have Accelerated Development and Reactive Evolution, both Zeus and Kratos.